What about NOT using an H100 ?

[DigDog]

I'm slightly puzzled on the matter of cooling and the upcoming IB chips.

So a 3770k is expected to retail for $320, with a 3.9Ghz turbo on stock cooler; the Corsair H100 is $115 from Newegg, and will (possibly) push it to 4.6;
Something like the Xigmatech Gaia (thirty bucks) ought to probably push it to 4.3 at least, and who knows how fast IB will go on stock voltage/stock cooler

Is it really worth it to dish out another $80+ for 300mhz?

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Back in the days i bought a ACPro 7 for a whopping $18, and it kept my 1.38v C2D temps lower at 3.2 than the Intel stock does at 2.4, so all good i thought, 33% OC for twenny bux ain't bad. but $115 for barely 18% ?

(the same goes for all the $100+ after market cpu coolers, tuniq tower, the dh14, etc .. )

 

[Hatisherrif]

Why would you need an H100 to push it to 4.6GHz? I have my i5 2500K at 4.5GHz with Hyper212 EVO.

 

[Smoblikat]

Why would you need an H100 to push it to 4.6GHz? I have my i5 2500K at 4.5GHz with Hyper212 EVO.

Ivy bridge turns to molten lava when overclocked/volted. Sandy bridge is WAY cooler and clocks higher.

 

[fastman]

"Worth it"...that's a subjective question isn't it?
Depends on the person spending the money and their goal.
After reading the reviews on the H100 I will pass as I think I will have space issues with it. I may go H80 but don't want the noise either.
So I may just old school and get a fan/heatsink combo.
I am waiting till the new chips are released, so I have time to decide my gameplan and go from there.

 

[superjim]

Water-cooling is not needed to get 4.8 or lower on SB and, I would assume, IB as well. A good $50-60 dollar tower heatsink will get you that with loads temps at 65C or less, most likely less than 60C. My 2500K at 4.6 with 1.4v never goes above 52C on a Megahalems.

The basic $20 Hyper 212 would probably take SB to 4.6 with acceptable temps.

 

[Ferzerp]

The corsiar H series isn't really about great cooling as much as it is decent cooling without a huge heatsink and noisy fast fans.

Can you cool better? Sure
Can you cool cheaper? Sure
Can you cool as effectively without blocking a lot of your motherboard? Doubt it.
Can you cool better quieter? Probably not.

 

[DigDog]

guess then i'll just use the 212 i have now.
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fyi i'm not saying the h100 is bad; it just seems that it won't be great for IB; if this chip will reach a heat wall sooner, then keeping it slightly less OV, while simply using standard air cooling is a simpler .. or "more economical" solution;

in a situation where a $20 cooler will get you + 800mh, but a $100 cooler will get you +1.4Ghz (like a C0 E8400 with 1.45 core), then it seems more reasonable.

 

[BrightCandle]

Even a custom water loop isn't going to get you more than 200 Mhz more than air unless you are willing to go into imminent death voltages for the CPU. Watercooling is only really worth it for overclocking chips that are thermally limited (like say a 3960k) rather than voltage limited. It can bring you an extreme overclock a little bit safer but the chip can still die from the overvoltage.

Given enough fans its quieter, but water cooling is just air cooling moved to somewhere else in the case.

 

[rgallant]

"but water cooling is just air cooling moved to somewhere else in the case. "
or basement.

 

[Ferzerp]

"but water cooling is just air cooling moved to somewhere else in the case. "
or basement.

Or refidgerator...?

 

[HURRIC4NE]

the h100 is excellent! its good for keeping temps down and it makes the inside of your case much much much better looking... did i mention that you can now tell people that your computer is "liquid cooled" ?? (thats sounds fudging AWESOME!)

i know all that cause i own an h100 and it REALLY keeps my unOC'd cpu VERY VERY cool with the LOWEST fan settings (never above 39C, @3.6ghz)

 

[dma0991]

did i mention that you can now tell people that your computer is "liquid cooled" ?? (thats sounds fudging AWESOME!)

You ain't 'liquid cooled' till you go custom.

 

[IlllI]

i thought one of the big appeals to h100 was you could run things and have it reasonable quiet.

 

[Don Karnage]

Ivy doesn't need water. Venom X is running great at 4.5Ghz

 

[BrightCandle]

i thought one of the big appeals to h100 was you could run things and have it reasonable quiet.

Water does allow you to go quieter than would ever be possible with air. You have transferred all the heat into the water so now you can go about cooling the water with as many radiators as you like. You could for example cool a single CPU with 6 x120mm on 2x 320mm radiators and achieve a water delta of something crazy like 2C (very very good) all while the fans were running at 800 rpm or less. Near silent but you could run such a CPU at the very peak of its OC.

Of course you don't get the bliss without also adding the GPUs to the mix as those are the real noise producers these days.

 

[HURRIC4NE]

You ain't 'liquid cooled' till you go custom.

thats water cooled.... liquid cooled sounds more exciting and gives you a better chance of having sex with the female that you were talking to

 

[HURRIC4NE]

i thought one of the big appeals to h100 was you could run things and have it reasonable quiet.

actually i ran some tests with the fan settings on both low, balanced, and high

on high it was qute noisy but on low it was quiet enough for a quiet room... temps differ around 3-7C but thats completly fine with me

 

[Topweasel]

thats water cooled.... liquid cooled sounds more exciting and gives you a better chance of having sex with the female that you were talking to

Doubling you chances at 0 is still 0.

 

[Don Karnage]

Doubling you chances at 0 is still 0.

+1 :biggrin: