What’s your take on corn syrup vs came sugar in Coke thingi?

[Moonbeam]

Yeah it was this bit that confused me.


My point was "well just buy local fizzy water".

San Pellegrino is really nice though, but just standard supermarket fizzy water (that's 20p a litre) is also ok! Just chuck a slice of lemon in if you're feeling fancy!

I am a trained monkey like most of us. I'm not drinking water with CO2 in it. I am drinking my money. The more it costs the better it tastes, no? Who can resist a need to feel a cut above the rest. Cheers!

Life is full of challenges. I want to remodel my kitchen and someone here likes counter depth refrigerators and I like energy efficiency but also large capacity. Do I go with a frig that costs as much as a car in a 48 inch Zero Point counter-depth model or 36 in one that is rather small but far less expensive? LG makes a high end one for $7000 or so 36 inch size but the only feature I can see you get is that the door will open automatically. Apparently to open a Zero point you have to pull like shit on the door. Why Zero Point? I hear it's rated the best in class. Gotta have that.

 

[DaaQ]

Right now the sticker price on Coke is $3.49 for 2L, which is insanity. It might cost them $0.25 per bottle to produce.

For the most part, sugar is sugar, regardless of the specific form it is. HFCS is like 45-55 Glucose-Fructose, whereas cane sugar (and all the other sources, like sugar beets) is sucrose (which is 50-50 glucose and fructose, after it breaks down). I think people make a way bigger deal our of it than it really needs to be.

Everyone thinks there is some magic bullet to US obesity rates, but there isn't one. We're not going to magically become skinny if all the HFCS was replaced with sucrose tomorrow.


I would guess that the thing with coke is probably more related to mouth feel and a placebo effect when it comes to using sucrose over HFCS (ie, drinking out of a cold glass bottle).

Um, you do realize that cane/beat sugar is 50% fructose, right?
And that HFCS is 55% fructose.

Both are basically identical, chemically.

Sucrose is immediately separated into fructose and glucose in the small intestine. So, again, both are digested by the body identically. Surcase enzymes do it within minutes of digestion. The lack of this separation for HFCS is irrelevant for digestion.

So, lets use simple logic here: Both are digested by the body as monosaccharides glucose and fructose in roughly the same amounts.

This would make it chemically impossible for one to have a negative effect on the bowels and not the other.

It seems to me you're following some alt-med guru/echo chamber.

The more processing a sweetener has gone through the more harmful it has a potential to be imo.

Also while drinking a bit too much of a beverage with cane sugar as a sweetener I have gotten drowsy...I
I have on occasion felt an ache in my upper abdomen from drinking a lot of soda with HFCS as the main sweetener.

anecdotal yeah but I'll go with sugar given the choice whilst acknowledging that water is better.



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AT 40 years old, so 17 years ago, my brother became allergic to corn. He was staying with me at the time, got sick, and it took 3 months for them to diagnose the corn allergy. Any solid corn form will put him down for days.

I just called to make sure I wasn't misremembering things. He can drink Coke but it gives him a bad stomach ache, living down in FL he is able to get access to cane sugar coke, and that has no effect on him.

But to say HFCS is the same as other sugars, chemically that may be a yes, but people that are allergic to corn, that is a no. Anecdotal I know. But this guy ate corn my whole 35 years of knowing him and out of nowhere it put him on the couch sick as a dog. At age 40.

The processing needed to get to either HFSC or SC are I imagine quite different.

On pricing, where I live, 2.89 - 3.50 for a 2 liter, vs 2.89+ for a 20 oz bottle. 2 liters are the cheapest option. I have seen 20 bottles cost more than 2 liter bottles. Trend follow across brands.

 

[Brainonska511]

AT 40 years old, so 17 years ago, my brother became allergic to corn. He was staying with me at the time, got sick, and it took 3 months for them to diagnose the corn allergy. Any solid corn form will put him down for days.

I just called to make sure I wasn't misremembering things. He can drink Coke but it gives him a bad stomach ache, living down in FL he is able to get access to cane sugar coke, and that has no effect on him.

But to say HFCS is the same as other sugars, chemically that may be a yes, but people that are allergic to corn, that is a no. Anecdotal I know. But this guy ate corn my whole 35 years of knowing him and out of nowhere it put him on the couch sick as a dog. At age 40.

The processing needed to get to either HFSC or SC are I imagine quite different.

On pricing, where I live, 2.89 - 3.50 for a 2 liter, vs 2.89+ for a 20 oz bottle. 2 liters are the cheapest option. I have seen 20 bottles cost more than 2 liter bottles. Trend follow across brands.

Yes, I'm sure processing issues may not fully remove corn contaminants.

I'm not as familiar with processing on the industrial scale, but if I recall, cane sugar or sugar beets are essentially squeezed for their juice and the sugary syrup is further processed then dried to get crystallized sugar. I would imagine corn to sugar would follow a similar pathway.

 

[DaaQ]

Yes, I'm sure processing issues may not fully remove corn contaminants.

I'm not as familiar with processing on the industrial scale, but if I recall, cane sugar or sugar beets are essentially squeezed for their juice and the sugary syrup is further processed then dried to get crystallized sugar. I would imagine corn to sugar would follow a similar pathway.

I am not sure, I called him just to make sure, and one gives a stomach ache vs nothing with the cane sugar.

He eats a Dorito, that's like 2 days of misery.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I am not sure, I called him just to make sure, and one gives a stomach ache vs nothing with the cane sugar.

He eats a Dorito, that's like 2 days of misery.

As I understand it, fructose is fruit sugar, and can be extracted from corn. Sucrose is common sugar, likely from sugar cane. Trump is too f***ing stupid to know the difference. Maybe he was somehow informed that Coca Cola "heche in Mexico" uses sucrose, and people somehow think it tastes better. Does he want to compete with Mexican Coca Cola?

I understand he has "vascular insufficiency" so his legs swell. He hasn't been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes yet, but give the Asshole some time. The swelling in the legs is also a symptom of vascular decline due to diabetes.

So Dr. Van Gupta was on CNN today, talking about Trump's "cankles" (which are fat ankles). I wanted to say to Gupta: "Yes! We know he doesn't walk enough for exercise; we know that he's a disgusting, obese fat Asshole!

"But -- Dr. Gupta, please tell us! --- When the F*** is he going to die!? THAT'S what we're WAITING for! WHEN WILL THAT Criminal-Rapist-Pedophile-Traitor and scam artist F***ing DIE?! We got the confetti! We got the American flags! We got John Phillip Souza on CD with the Marine Corp Band playing Washington Post and Semper Fidelis! Just tell us when Trump is F***ing going to DIE, so we can get ready to be arrested at stoplights for littering and disturbing the peace! Gotta remember to pick up some Kazoos and other noise-makers -- and the washable white paint for the rear window to say "HUUU-RAY! YOUR F***ING ASSHOLE IS DEAD!"

 

[Shmee]

I think the change to cane sugar is probably a good move, taste and health wise.

 

[nisryus]

Or people should not drink a lot of beverages that has a lot of sugar or HFCS in it.

The only time we drink soda was when we stopped by Costco food court for a hot dog. hmm.. hot dog...

 

[kage69]

They are both bad, yup. Corn syrup interferes with leptin production, which you need to know when to stop eating IIRC. Cane sugar is super high glycemic wise and a shorter path to diabetes I think, maybe?

Soft drinks made with cane sugar taste better to many people, myself included. Should be a rare treat, if touched at all. I have one like once a year, if that (I've always had a weakness for good root beer, cold as possible).

Isn't this more of a money thing for Trump? Trying to help a Dominican cane farming millionaire friend isn't he? It coincides with something that affects him personally, in this case his love of single portion, unopened CocaCola products. I forget the guy's name, started with an F I think, but yeah sounds like something Trump would do, that whole giving American farmers the finger, again.

 

[sdifox]

The only reason sugar is expensive in the US is policy choice. There is no reason for sugar to be strategic materiel

 

[kage69]

The only reason sugar is expensive in the US is policy choice. There is no reason for sugar to be strategic materiel

US cane sugar producers, a small foot print production wise and now faced with an extreme labor shortage, would be competing with countries with larger scale production and that have issues using low paid or forced labor. So, yeah.

"Big Sugar" in Florida and Texas could reverse the worker problem overnight and still have a product more expensive than importing from the DR or Brazil I'd bet. See Vietnam and frozen shrimp.


Trump, concerned about an economic shockwave? Idk sounds woke to me

 

[sdifox]

Labour shortage caused by umm, Trump?

 

[FelixDeCat]

Labour shortage caused by umm, Trump?

What if we deploy AI in the fields?

 

[Paratus]

I’m not sure where y’all ended up here but fructose, sugar, fat and protein are all converted to glucose.

Your brain and body all run on glucose for energy and that’s what your body is going to make. So feel free to eat your “clean gluten free superfood” desiccated cumquats and paleo raw beef sticks - it’s still getting turned into sugar - glucose.

 

[blankslate]

AT 40 years old, so 17 years ago, my brother became allergic to corn. He was staying with me at the time, got sick, and it took 3 months for them to diagnose the corn allergy. Any solid corn form will put him down for days.

I can eat corn and be fine. I don't eat vast amounts though. I ate an ear of corn last Sunday and I was fine. I think what I don't react too well to in HFSC is the fact that they concentrate the sucrose sweetener from corn to an extent far more than what occurs naturally.
Corn is sweet yes but not that sweet.
Cane Sugar as I recall is not so much sweeter than sugar canes as HFSCs are sweeter than Corn.
I remember living where I could get access to sugar cane and after the outer layer was cut away and I was given the inner part as a treat it I would chew it and it was very sweet half to 3/4 as sweet as sugar as I recall but much sweeter than corn.
last time I had sugar cane to chew on I was a kid. but it's interesting how you remember long forgotten childhood memories from time to time.

just my experience.

e2a

What’s the difference between cane sugar and corn sugar?


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[[DHT]Osiris]

I’m not sure where y’all ended up here but fructose, sugar, fat and protein are all converted to glucose.

Your brain and body all run on glucose for energy and that’s what your body is going to make. So feel free to eat your “clean gluten free superfood” desiccated cumquats and paleo raw beef sticks - it’s still getting turned into sugar - glucose.

Me in ketosis:

 

[Moonbeam]

I’m not sure where y’all ended up here but fructose, sugar, fat and protein are all converted to glucose.

Your brain and body all run on glucose for energy and that’s what your body is going to make. So feel free to eat your “clean gluten free superfood” desiccated cumquats and paleo raw beef sticks - it’s still getting turned into sugar - glucose.

This is misleading in my opinion. Proteins are turned into nucleic acids some of which the unman body can’t make. Various minerals in foods are not turned into sugars and fats produce various lipids. Some sources of sugar have more beneficial minerals in them. To say that everything turns into sugar does not mean much of anything. While ATP supplies the chemical energy of the body and is powered by glucose none of that should tell you that any food source that will be converted to sugar is no different than other source of sugar that can also be. There are tons of other chemical reactions going on in the body that are relevant. The sugar in ant poison is not to be thought of as equal to the sugar in an apple, nor does it say anything about how other organisms within us convert larger molecules into glucose. The body does much more than make glucose to chemically burn. Chemical processes can even be altered by imagination. Eating natural sugar can be like drinking snake oil. It can promote health simple by belief. You can’t just say stuff like you did. You have to cause your mind to think in ways they are psychologically healthy because there may be more in life than your philosophy admits.

 

[Paratus]

Me in ketosis:
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[kage69]

It's funny how dates are sweet as hell and yet don't negatively affect your blood sugar, even if you're a type II diabetic.

Do we just chalk that up to the fiber involved, or is there something else going on there I wonder? Anyone else know?

 

[Brainonska511]

It's funny how dates are sweet as hell and yet don't negatively affect your blood sugar, even if you're a type II diabetic.

Do we just chalk that up to the fiber involved, or is there something else going on there I wonder? Anyone else know?

Fiber does slow absorption a little, but fructose, the one of the main sugars that makes fruits and whatnot sweet, doesn't impact blood sugar as quickly because it first has to be changed into glucose. Further, blood sugar testing measures glucose in the blood (the primary fuel source for all the cells in your body), so the amount of fructose in the blood won't really impact those measurements.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is misleading in my opinion. Proteins are turned into nucleic acids some of which the unman body can’t make. Various minerals in foods are not turned into sugars and fats produce various lipids. Some sources of sugar have more beneficial minerals in them. To say that everything turns into sugar does not mean much of anything. While ATP supplies the chemical energy of the body and is powered by glucose none of that should tell you that any food source that will be converted to sugar is no different than other source of sugar that can also be. There are tons of other chemical reactions going on in the body that are relevant. The sugar in ant poison is not to be thought of as equal to the sugar in an apple, nor does it say anything about how other organisms within us convert larger molecules into glucose. The body does much more than make glucose to chemically burn. Chemical processes can even be altered by imagination. Eating natural sugar can be like drinking snake oil. It can promote health simple by belief. You can’t just say stuff like you did. You have to cause your mind to think in ways they are psychologically healthy because there may be more in life than your philosophy admits.

I see your comment, Moonbeam, drew derision from two of the 'more threatened by wisdom' members of the forum and ignored by another whom I consider to be the among if not the the top of those posting here when it comes to scientific acumen knowledge and acumen.

I guess the real issue then as to why truth gets ignored is because people don't have a habit of looking at themselves critically. If you look closely at who you think you are you will see that who you imagine yourself to be is a story, a tale you tell yourself without critical examination of the assumption that one is actually one's self imagined story. You are what you believe yourself to be but one can believe in anything. Change the belief and yo change who you are, and who you are is how you feel. Are you a miserable asshole distrustful of life, are you living in an anxious state. When did you last feel at peace in the present. Can you take a pharmacological substance and alter your mood. Do you believe that who you believe yourself to be isn't ate result of chemical actions in your body and brain. Does anxiety produce stress hormones. Is stress unrelated to imagined fears, an anticipatory state that something terrible is around the corner. Are you blind to the misery that paranoid people live in? Will you really poo poo the small percentage of people who benefit from the placebo effect and ridicule the fact that a change in the disordered imaginative state of people's worries can be improved by changing what they imagine in the future. How sad one has to be to deny the therapeutic effect a change in in the story you tell yourself can't make you feel better. But it's the nature of people who hate themselves not to want anything positive to happen to anybody else. It is a simple fact that misery loves company.

A possible motivation to change your brains chemical state is to realize that the chemical reactions taking place there lead to a actions in the real world that are disgusting. None of that is real. You are not your story and your so called story can change for the better. Misery is belief. Become a skeptic who knows no belief. We all are exactly the same who know we know nothing.

I did a Startpage search for "Can yogis control the chemistry of their emotions and this was the first link that appeared:

Emotional Regulation Utilizing the Yoga Sutras - Integral Yoga® Magazine

Although Yoga is formally a system of liberation, it can be employed to teach skills of emotional regulation. In this article, Dr. Richard Panico bridges the gap between Yoga-based psychology and western science that offers a four-part system of emotional regulation, based on the fundamentals of...

integralyogamagazine.org

This one mentions my favorite subject, lack of self esteem as the primary source of misery in teens

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7567196/

The patient may die of snake-bite before the serum arrives from Iraq. A saying, obviously not from around here.

 

[pcgeek11]

VERY seldom do I drink a soft drink at all, usually a sip from my wife's drink if at all. She drinks Sugar free Coke for a soft drink, but not too often.

If they did away with soft drinks all together I wouldn't have an issue with it. My go to drinks are coffee, tea or water.

I do remember I had an Uncle that worked at the Coca-Cola bottling plant in town and he always brought home cases of Coca-Cola. Pretty sure that is all they ever drank. The kids all had rotten teeth from the acid and sugar I suppose. When they were in Junior High they hardly had any teeth at all. I'd bet they couldn't come up with a full set of teeth between the 4 kids.

 

[fskimospy]

Good post! I'd just like to add.

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Funny fact - I actually know that guy.

 

[IronWing]

I always preferred Pepsi to Coke, something about the latter always turned my stomach. Diet Coke has always been superior however to Diet Pepsi which is an abomination of a beverage that is totally undrinkable unless it's been chilled to near absolute zero.

Diet Coke is the flavor of annoyance. Tastes like almost nothing yet distasteful. You are correct that Diet Pepsi tastes better at 32F.

 

[MrSquished]

You know folks, if he pulls this off maybe the whole fascism thing is totally worth it.

 

[dank69]

Well would you look at that