What’s your take on corn syrup vs came sugar in Coke thingi?

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[DHT]Osiris

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Two questions about this from a place that doesn't do free top ups.

Why not just buy the smallest size if they are going to fill it up.
And how much fucking fizzy drink do people need!!? Honestly a glass of sugary drink before a meal is just the worst thing for killing your appetite!
If it's free refills and they're eating in, most people do. Some will get a large size if they're taking it to go. For myself, i just bring a bigass bottle of water around with me when I leave the house.
 

dullard

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Two questions about this from a place that doesn't do free top ups.

Why not just buy the smallest size if they are going to fill it up.
And how much fucking fizzy drink do people need!!? Honestly a glass of sugary drink before a meal is just the worst thing for killing your appetite!
Too many promotions like this:
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Note: the current pricing is $1.29 for any size or $1.69 for any size in most locations. Either way, if the price is the same, far too many people just get the large. Fewer trips to refill and Americans can be quite lazy. When I worked in fast food (many years ago) the cup cost more than the soda. So, selling a "cheap" large drink is a great way to fool customers into thinking your restaurant gives them a great value. When ultimately, this is still a high profit-margin item.

I guess since 20 to 30 year old males are their target audience, infinity is the answer to your second question.
 
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Too many promotions like this:
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Note: the current pricing is $1.29 for any size or $1.69 for any size in most locations. Either way, if the price is the same, far too many people just get the large. Fewer trips to refill and Americans can be quite lazy. When I worked in fast food (many years ago) the cup cost more than the soda. So, selling a "cheap" large drink is a great way to fool customers into thinking your restaurant gives them a great value. When ultimately, this is still a high profit-margin item.

I guess since 20 to 30 year old males are their target audience, infinity is the answer to your second question.
It is like movie makers are prophets :

 

lxskllr

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Too many promotions like this:
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Note: the current pricing is $1.29 for any size or $1.69 for any size in most locations. Either way, if the price is the same, far too many people just get the large. Fewer trips to refill and Americans can be quite lazy. When I worked in fast food (many years ago) the cup cost more than the soda. So, selling a "cheap" large drink is a great way to fool customers into thinking your restaurant gives them a great value. When ultimately, this is still a high profit-margin item.

I guess since 20 to 30 year old males are their target audience, infinity is the answer to your second question.
Not sure I'd blame it on laziness. More like "getting a good deal". Twice as much for the same price is objectively more stuff. It's a trap I tend to fall in, and would with soda if I still drank a lot of soda. Now, I'm more likely to refuse the drink altogether, but it really bugs me to do so. Even giving back the cost of the cup/lid/straw would make me feel better about it.
 
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WelshBloke

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Too many promotions like this:
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Note: the current pricing is $1.29 for any size or $1.69 for any size in most locations. Either way, if the price is the same, far too many people just get the large. Fewer trips to refill and Americans can be quite lazy. When I worked in fast food (many years ago) the cup cost more than the soda. So, selling a "cheap" large drink is a great way to fool customers into thinking your restaurant gives them a great value. When ultimately, this is still a high profit-margin item.

I guess since 20 to 30 year old males are their target audience, infinity is the answer to your second question.
Do they do a fizzy water without the syrup option?
 

dullard

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Do they do a fizzy water without the syrup option?
Not normally. At least not at fast food restaurants. It would be easy for them to do, because they are already making the soda water. But it would be a special request.

Fizzy water is an acquired taste. I detested it the first time I travelled to Europe. Now I like it though.
 

Moonbeam

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Not normally. At least not at fast food restaurants. It would be easy for them to do, because they are already making the soda water. But it would be a special request.

Fizzy water is an acquired taste. I detested it the first time I travelled to Europe. Now I like it though.
Long ago I decided that of all the pleasurable food experiences I can have my favorite is what is now sold as Mexican Coke on ice. No ice no good, no fizz no good. But it’s the carbonic acid at 32 degrees that’s the thrill. A couple of fresh squeezed lemons, Angostura Bitters, some cane sugar and organic 100% Stevia for most of the sweetness I also find delicious. I am considering getting a machine to make soda. High initial cost for a glass of fizzy water but paying for water bothers me. I also started drinking fizzy water in Europe but paying for glass shipped from Italy, (don’t drink water from plastic), is morally indefensible in my opinion.
 
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WelshBloke

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I also started drinking fizzy water in Europe but paying for glass shipped from Italy, (don’t drink water from plastic), is morally indefensible in my opinion.
You can't buy fizzy water in the States?! I find that unlikely!
 

FelixDeCat

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I only drink water, tea and fruit juice. Sometimes I enjoy pineapple seltzer with 5% alcohol.

I eat Great Value peppermint candy 🍬 when I need a real sugar and corn syrup fix.
 

lxskllr

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I eat Great Value peppermint candy 🍬 when I need a real sugar and corn syrup fix.
On that note, I used to make peppermint water by adding peppermint extract to water. No sugar or corn syrup, but it makes an interesting and cheap diversion from plain tap water. I should do that again. Maybe later tonight.
 
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Moonbeam

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You can't buy fizzy water in the States?! I find that unlikely!
Fizzy water has a number of cognates: Carbonated water, soda water, and sparkling water. It, under those various names is readily available. Local stores usually stock natural mineral carbonated spring water from all over the world. I buy S.Pellegrino sparkling water, Italian, but Perrier is also quite popular. I suppose the mineral content of water from spring to spring might vary and appeal to different tastes, but the CO2 is all the same. CO2 can also be added artificially. Search Amazon US for soda water. There are tons of items there.
 

blankslate

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The more processing a sweetener has gone through the more harmful it has a potential to be imo.

Also while drinking a bit too much of a beverage with cane sugar as a sweetener I have gotten drowsy...I
I have on occasion felt an ache in my upper abdomen from drinking a lot of soda with HFCS as the main sweetener.

anecdotal yeah but I'll go with sugar given the choice whilst acknowledging that water is better.



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dullard

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Fizzy water has a number of cognates: Carbonated water, soda water, and sparkling water. It, under those various names is readily available. Local stores usually stock natural mineral carbonated spring water from all over the world. I buy S.Pellegrino sparkling water, Italian, but Perrier is also quite popular. I suppose the mineral content of water from spring to spring might vary and appeal to different tastes, but the CO2 is all the same. CO2 can also be added artificially. Search Amazon US for soda water. There are tons of items there.
Soda water (also known as Club Soda here) has significantly more carbonation than sparkling water. When I've travelled in Europe some of the nicer restaurants ask if I want heavy, medium, or light gas. Soda water here would be an Extra Heavy gas. To make it into what he calls fizzy water, he'd probably want to dilute it ~1:1 with water.
 

WelshBloke

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Fizzy water has a number of cognates: Carbonated water, soda water, and sparkling water. It, under those various names is readily available. Local stores usually stock natural mineral carbonated spring water from all over the world. I buy S.Pellegrino sparkling water, Italian, but Perrier is also quite popular. I suppose the mineral content of water from spring to spring might vary and appeal to different tastes, but the CO2 is all the same. CO2 can also be added artificially. Search Amazon US for soda water. There are tons of items there.
Yeah it was this bit that confused me.

I also started drinking fizzy water in Europe but paying for glass shipped from Italy, (don’t drink water from plastic), is morally indefensible in my opinion.
My point was "well just buy local fizzy water".

San Pellegrino is really nice though, but just standard supermarket fizzy water (that's 20p a litre) is also ok! Just chuck a slice of lemon in if you're feeling fancy!
 

Moonbeam

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Not sure I'd blame it on laziness. More like "getting a good deal". Twice as much for the same price is objectively more stuff. It's a trap I tend to fall in, and would with soda if I still drank a lot of soda. Now, I'm more likely to refuse the drink altogether, but it really bugs me to do so. Even giving back the cost of the cup/lid/straw would make me feel better about it.
For me this is a real issue and one I shouldn't really discuss. Let me see if I can find another way.

Suppose you look at the world as a zero sum game. I am not going to look up if that’s the right term here. There is only so much whatever it might be, lets say human love and attention, and that everything in the world goes back to the need for those two things as well as the feeling you will miss out if you do not fight egotistically for them.

In short. I see this need for a deal as a result oh having been cheated out of your fair share and that living the truth of that feeling out in the world accounts for human greed. We were robbed and we don’t ver want that to happen again.

The result, instead of taking only enough drink to satisfy your real need you take as much as you can and waste what is left, an open admission of the selfishness such behavior manifests. It’s the same in all you can eat places. The remnants of crab and lobster shells piled high on your plate as you leave instead of considering the fact that personal gluttony continues to raise the cost you paid owing to the gluttony and selfishness if those who came before you and will come after. Imagine a world where poeple thought of others and not just of themselves. Wouldn’t it possibly make you feel a little better about yourself.

Appreciate your insight here. I think you are spot on. We have a need for a deal. But people like Trump know this instinctively and they also know how to manipulate us.

“We are here to serve mankind”. Please help yourself to more than you need. Be happy”
 

Moonbeam

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Soda water (also known as Club Soda here) has significantly more carbonation than sparkling water. When I've travelled in Europe some of the nicer restaurants ask if I want heavy, medium, or light gas. Soda water here would be an Extra Heavy gas. To make it into what he calls fizzy water, he'd probably want to dilute it ~1:1 with water.
It's cheaper to take filtered city water and inject CO2 into it than to gain access to a naturally carbonated spring that has minerals already in it. More money is made the cheaper you can make something that still sells. That end is handled by advertising that will tell you that you are a nobody if you don't buy their product and that you deserve the best. If only people really felt that way. Think I'll go check out the prices of a CO2 injector. My Dad had one when I was a kid. He used to make me vanilla ice cream sodas. Come to think of it, I liked those better than Coke but just forgot. Suddenly, I have a reason to live. :)

Soda water is also often used as an additive to an alcohol beverage and undergoes a lot of mixing. I think the excess helps the final product from being flat. It also helps if you use only some of a large bottle and want to use more later.