What’s your take on corn syrup vs came sugar in Coke thingi?

[biostud]

I really liked the Coca Cola Life, but they chose to discontinue it.

It was a combo of sugar and Stevia, as sweeteners, containing 30% less calories than regular coke, and no artificial sweetener.

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[lxskllr]

Actually there is a graph that shows obesity increase started with large scale HFCS consumption.
Eat and drink to much and cheap processed foods wich are unhealthy.

Correlation ≠ causation. I bet that graph closely correlates with the war on fat, and the increased amounts of sugar used to take the place of fat. But again, it needs a closer look.

Elsewhere, someone that sounded smart, said HFCS breaks down to exactly the same chemical makeup as sucrose in the presence of acid. Takes a few weeks. It's not my battle, so I didn't pay close attention, and may have details wrong, but it's something to look into.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Sugar content of dunkies drinks, some are just absurd. Simply wont matter if its sugar from cane, beets, or corn

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[biostud]

Correlation ≠ causation. I bet that graph closely correlates with the war on fat, and the increased amounts of sugar used to take the place of fat. But again, it needs a closer look.

Elsewhere, someone that sounded smart, said HFCS breaks down to exactly the same chemical makeup as sucrose in the presence of acid. Takes a few weeks. It's not my battle, so I didn't pay close attention, and may have details wrong, but it's something to look into.

As I understand it, many of your food products has much higher sodium content than European counterparts which leads to increased consumption of fluids. If your fluids contains high amounts of sugar, your calorie intake is going to be quite high, and sugary bewerages also promotes higher intake than regular water, because it tastes good. So changing all your drinking habits to non sweet drinks, will better for you.

Personally I only drink water during the week, and sometimes a beer or glass of wine for dinner.

I stopped drinking soda many years ago.

 

[K1052]

Personally I only drink water during the week, and sometimes a beer or glass of wine for dinner.

I stopped drinking soda many years ago.

I gave up soda about 10 years ago aside from the very rare Mexican coke (like maybe one a year). If I'm drinking calories it's going to be from craft cocktails and good whiskey.

 

[KMFJD]

Hail, fellow eats-a-grape-and-shits-themselves! How is your lemon and lime situation? Mine's great.

Fuck adulterated ingredients. If you want sugar just use sugar, quit subsidizing corn to the point we gotta invent stupid shit out of it to keep from turning it into dirt.

sugar beets are ok though right? or only cane sugar?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

sugar beets are ok though right? or only cane sugar?

I'd be fine with that, though I'm not familiar with the environmental impact of beets vs cane sugar. I'm guessing you can fit a lot more cane into the same space but it may destroy the local environment in the process.

 

[biostud]

I gave up soda about 10 years ago aside from the very rare Mexican coke (like maybe one a year). If I'm drinking calories it's going to be from craft cocktails and good whiskey.

I make my own elder flower syrup, which I drink, and if a work occasion or similar I can drink a soda, so I am not a fanatic. But in most cases I would prefer a cold craft beer

 

[biostud]

I'd be fine with that, though I'm not familiar with the environmental impact of beets vs cane sugar. I'm guessing you can fit a lot more cane into the same space but it may destroy the local environment in the process.

I just think beets are growing in temperate climate where canes are growing in tropical climate. The sugar should be similar. Both can be grown organic and both industrial with lots of pesticides

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I just think beets are growing in temperate climate where canes are growing in tropical climate. The sugar should be similar.

Yeah the actual sugar is identical afaik, I just tend to lean in the direction of sustainability.

 

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[William Gaatjes]

Correlation ≠ causation. I bet that graph closely correlates with the war on fat, and the increased amounts of sugar used to take the place of fat. But again, it needs a closer look.

Elsewhere, someone that sounded smart, said HFCS breaks down to exactly the same chemical makeup as sucrose in the presence of acid. Takes a few weeks. It's not my battle, so I didn't pay close attention, and may have details wrong, but it's something to look into.

Such a smart person only looks at what happens in the stomach and the duodenum. They forget the effects consumed food has on the micriobiome in the bowels. There is a balance between several families of bacteria, several families of fungi and some say even several families of protozoa. Consuming large amounts of HFCS changes the composition of microbial lifeforms in the bowels , AKA gut. That is a known fact.
It is also known that obese people are so unlucky to often have candida fungi infections. And as i mentioned before, fungi love HFCS. That is one less enzyme needed to change sucrose to fructose and glucose. Both needed for aerobic or anaerobic digestion by fungi.

 

[lxskllr]

Such a smart person only looks at what happens in the stomach and the duodenum. They forget the effects consumed food has on the micriobiome in the bowels. There is a balance between several families of bacteria, several families of fungi and some say even several families of protozoa. Consuming large amounts of HFCS changes the composition of microbial lifeforms in the bowels , AKA gut. That is a known fact.
It is also known that obese people are so unlucky to often have candida fungi infections. And as i mentioned before, fungi love HFCS. That is one less enzyme needed to change sucrose to fructose and glucose. Both needed for aerobic digestion by fungi.

The point is soda is acidic. It's in an acid solution sitting in the bottle. Has nothing to do with the digestive system.

 

[William Gaatjes]

The point is soda is acidic. It's in an acid solution sitting in the bottle. Has nothing to do with the digestive system.

I do not understand, soda is what you drink thus it ends up in the digestive system.

 

[WelshBloke]

That is true, but it depends on how much cola is consumed. Drinking a single glass of coca cola once day will not harm anyone. Except people with Diabetes type 1.

I wasn't talking from a health POV (I agree that the odd glass of coke isn't going to do anyone any harm, ignoring those with diabetes), it just tastes and feels nasty in your mouth when its that sugary. Coke is about 10% sugar by weight!

 

[lxskllr]

I do not understand, soda is what you drink thus it ends up in the digestive system.

I don't know what you're saying. Sounded like the person I said was smart was really a dumbass, because the acid required to covert the HFCS was in the gut. That's not the implication. Soda's acidic; highly so. The implication is the bottle of HFCS coke you're drinking is chemically indistinguishable from one made with sucrose by the time the end user gets it.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I wasn't talking from a health POV (I agree that the odd glass of coke isn't going to do anyone any harm, ignoring those with diabetes), it just tastes and feels nasty in your mouth when its that sugary. Coke is about 10% sugar by weight!

It sure is. I am on a glass of bacardi spiced mix with a cherry coca cola right now.

 

[WelshBloke]

I know. People go to European cities and talk about how they feel so great afterwards. It's because you likely had smaller portions and were walking everywhere (and also, you know, relaxing on vacation).

Also simple things like bread are different over here. American bread has so much sugar in its legally defined as cake in parts of Europe!

 

[Amused]

Such a smart person only looks at what happens in the stomach and the duodenum. They forget the effects consumed food has on the micriobiome in the bowels. There is a balance between several families of bacteria, several families of fungi and some say even several families of protozoa. Consuming large amounts of HFCS changes the composition of microbial lifeforms in the bowels , AKA gut. That is a known fact.
It is also known that obese people are so unlucky to often have candida fungi infections. And as i mentioned before, fungi love HFCS. That is one less enzyme needed to change sucrose to fructose and glucose. Both needed for aerobic or anaerobic digestion by fungi.

Um, you do realize that cane/beat sugar is 50% fructose, right?
And that HFCS is 55% fructose.

Both are basically identical, chemically.

Sucrose is immediately separated into fructose and glucose in the small intestine. So, again, both are digested by the body identically. Surcase enzymes do it within minutes of digestion. The lack of this separation for HFCS is irrelevant for digestion.

So, lets use simple logic here: Both are digested by the body as monosaccharides glucose and fructose in roughly the same amounts.

This would make it chemically impossible for one to have a negative effect on the bowels and not the other.

It seems to me you're following some alt-med guru/echo chamber.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I don't know what you're saying. Sounded like the person I said was smart was really a dumbass, because the acid required to covert the HFCS was in the gut. That's not the implication. Soda's acidic; highly so. The implication is the bottle of HFCS coke you're drinking is chemically indistinguishable from one made with sucrose by the time the end user gets it.

But does HFCS , not have something to do with the ratio of fructose and glucose ? Here in europe fructose glucose syrup is also made but there is a regulation about the ratio fructose- glucose. Needs to be 50% or lower, in favor of glucose . And in the USA the HFCS is called not for nothing high fructose corn syrup. 55% fructose or more.

But my point is that microbial life in general uses enzymes to break that chain of polysaccharides to glucose fructose. Our bodies do that as well, the pancreas secretes all kinds of inactive enzymes that get activated when in the duodenum and the small intestines. And microbial lifeforms in our bowels (gut) do that as well.

Fun fact : The pancreas secretes all kinds of inactive enzymes, called zymogens. These enzymes are inactive because otherwise these enzymes would break apart the pancreas cells. Only in the duodenum and intestines do these enzymes get activated to cut apart polysaccharides and other stuff.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Also simple things like bread are different over here. American bread has so much sugar in its legally defined as cake in parts of Europe!

Try not to generalize too much, iirc that specific case came up for some fast food chain's shit-tier bread. All of American fast food chains are shit-tier bread though, so turning it into cake was probably an improvement.

We've got normal-ass bakeries that turn 10 cents worth of ingredients into $5 loafs like everywhere else in the world. Some of us even make our own!

 

[William Gaatjes]

Um, you do realize that cane/beat sugar is 50% fructose, right?
And that HFCS is 55% fructose.

Both are basically identical, chemically.

Sucrose is immediately separated into fructose and glucose in the small intestine. So, again, both are digested by the body identically. Surcase enzymes do it within minutes of digestion. The lack of this separation for HFCS is irrelevant for digestion.

So, lets use simple logic here: Both are digested by the body as monosaccharides glucose and fructose in roughly the same amounts.

This would make it chemically impossible for one to have a negative effect on the bowels and not the other.

It seems to me you're following some alt-med guru/echo chamber.

My point is, such a diet disturbs the balance of the microbiome in the bowels AKA gut. That is the big issue.

 

[lxskllr]

Also simple things like bread are different over here. American bread has so much sugar in its legally defined as cake in parts of Europe!

Depends. I just got an Italian loaf from aldi that has 1g sugar/serving, and not all of that was added. Baseline US foods are highly sugared, and they're also cheap. That affects poor people more than those with money, cause the dollarstores carry all the sugared stuff. Tick the quality level up a small notch, and a lot of our stuff is on par with the EU, but that excludes the poor where every penny counts.

 

[Brainonska511]

. And in the USA the HFCS is called not for nothing high fructose corn syrup. 55% fructose or more.

In foods, HFCS42 is the primary choice for a HFCS sweetener. It's 42% fructose, 58% glucose.

In beverages, HFCS55 is typically used - a 55%/45% ratio.

 

[K1052]

Try not to generalize too much, iirc that specific case came up for some fast food chain's shit-tier bread. All of American fast food chains are shit-tier bread though, so turning it into cake was probably an improvement.

We've got normal-ass bakeries that turn 10 cents worth of ingredients into $5 loafs like everywhere else in the world. Some of us even make our own!

There are, to be sure, certain areas where French technology still reigns supreme.