Westworld Discussion Thread

[MongGrel]

It was kind of asked here earlier. I must have missed it if was shown, but what prevents a guest from killing another guest?

Probably nothing at all that I'm aware of so far ...

You would think there would have to be some fail safes in place though on the weapons, or the whole concept would be impractical to begin with. Like only allowing them to discharge when aimed at an identified android.

But people are still also using knives, etc also...

We'll see.

 

[Newbian]

It was kind of asked here earlier. I must have missed it if was shown, but what prevents a guest from killing another guest?

I am wondering myself how you can tell the difference.

Granted the guns don't work on people but as we saw shoving a knife through someones hand would had hurt either type so who knows as they have not gone into it very well.

 

[TheELF]

Probably nothing at all that I'm aware of so far ...

Well "don't stab(hit/kill... ) me I'm real" would be a good indicator.

 

[Newbian]

Well "don't stab(hit/kill... ) me I'm real" would be a good indicator.

The problem is the person getting hit and such would assume the person doing it isn't real so they wouldn't be in any danger until too late.

 

[MongGrel]

The problem is the person getting hit and such would assume the person doing it isn't real so they wouldn't be in any danger until too late.

Pretty much this.

In a random gunfight in town, like has already happened, everyone is just shooting everyone to some extent.

Someone creeping up up behind someone to blindside them would not have time to yell anything before they were wacked, if they were real.

 

[smackababy]

I think the guns are modified in some "magic" way to only work on hosts. Not sure about knives and such though.

 

[MongGrel]

I think the guns are modified in some "magic" way to only work on hosts. Not sure about knives and such though.

The guns even seemed to have been "created" if you trust the opening credit sequence.

Still leaves a lot of other things wide open though.

 

[smackababy]

The guns even seemed to have been "created" if you trust the opening credit sequence.

Still leaves a lot of other things wide open though.

I think everything is made, clothes, props, etc. So, maybe the "magic" that lets bullets not kill guests work with everything. Though, a long drop is a long drop.

 

[Ichinisan]

I'm wondering how they reset some of the damage to the buildings and props. Seems pretty labor intensive.

The piano with blood sprayed all over it (and the punched paper roll). Heavy safe needs to be placed back into position. Even "WANTED" posters and such need to be posted again. Trash needs to be collected.

Dolores' house was shot up at one point and they reset at least a couple times after that. Did they repair the trim around the door, find all the spent bullets/shells, and clean up pools of blood and rotting milk? If not, Dolores and her father would see lots of evidence of a massacre when she wakes up after the morning reset.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm wondering how they reset some of the damage to the buildings and props. Seems pretty labor intensive.

The piano with blood sprayed all over it (and the punches paper roll). Heavy safe needs to be placed back into position. Even "WANTED" posters and such need to be posted again. Trash needs to be collected.

Dolores' house was shot up at one point and they reset at least a couple times after that. Did they repair the trim around the door, find all the spent bullets/shells, and clean up pools of blood and rotting milk? If not, Dolores and her father would see lots of evidence of a massacre when she wakes up after the morning reset.

Some things do seem sketchy atm, you would think it would have to be people arriving like on a cruise ship on a 14 day or a month long cruise before a reset or even the story lines would not progress very far.

You'd lose a lot of continuity on if things were reset on a daily basis all over.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

I'm wondering how they reset some of the damage to the buildings and props. Seems pretty labor intensive.

The piano with blood sprayed all over it (and the punched paper roll). Heavy safe needs to be placed back into position. Even "WANTED" posters and such need to be posted again. Trash needs to be collected.

Dolores' house was shot up at one point and they reset at least a couple times after that. Did they repair the trim around the door, find all the spent bullets/shells, and clean up pools of blood and rotting milk? If not, Dolores and her father would see lots of evidence of a massacre when she wakes up after the morning reset.

I thought of it more like a video game, where they can just reload the previous save. I could easily be way off.

 

[TheELF]

Well they DO have a crap load of androids to help them.

 

[Homerboy]

Why do they have to "make" horses and other animals?

 

[Uppsala9496]

Why do they have to "make" horses and other animals?

So that they can be controlled and not hurt humans.

 

[Homerboy]

So that they can be controlled and not hurt humans.

Good point.

 

[Ichinisan]

So that they can be controlled and not hurt humans.

...maybe also so the animals can be killed/maimed/tortured without upsetting PETA.

 

[Childs]

So that they can be controlled and not hurt humans.

In the first episode one thing I thought would be a problem with a western themed amusement park would be snakes and scorpions and stuff. I see rattlesnakes when I hike around Northern California so I would think walking around or sleeping outdoors in a wild west environment would be too risky for most people expecting a Disneyland-like experience. Then in episode 2 they showed they make the snakes. Thats good for the saftey of the guests, but then it brings up the question of how controlled is this environment. It makes no sense to have robot snakes if real ones are still out there, so it makes me think this must be a completely sterile environment. This must be set much farther in the future. Everything might be enclosed in a dome, or its possibly on a extraterrestrial planet/moon, and the environment like sun, sky, wind, vegetation, etc, must be artificial. But then $40K a day doesnt seem like it would cover the cost for building and maintaining the park, unless its so far in the future that all this is trivial.

Anyways, the possibilities are endless with what we've seen so far and its compelling TV.

 

[Aikouka]

I think it was on an Ars article where someone had a quote from Nolan that said that it's the bullets that stop a host from killing a guest. The guns are real and the bullets are actual projectiles, which still can be shot at a guest, but they're more like dummy rounds that interact with hosts while only giving the guests a light sting.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

Blast. I should have waited until this was completely out before starting it. This is totally something I'd burn through in a weekend. Now I'm stuck waiting.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

I think it was on an Ars article where someone had a quote from Nolan that said that it's the bullets that stop a host from killing a guest. The guns are real and the bullets are actual projectiles, which still can be shot at a guest, but they're more like dummy rounds that interact with hosts while only giving the guests a light sting.

That seems right as they showed a small welt in the guest from getting shot by the shoulder. It looked like it hurt like a paintball gun shot. That's still pretty dangerous if the hosts aim at your head.

 

[Childs]

That seems right as they showed a small welt in the guest from getting shot by the shoulder. It looked like it hurt like a paintball gun shot. That's still pretty dangerous if the hosts aim at your head.

Yeah, the guest could have lost an eye. I wasnt sure if that is how it usually goes or it was symptom of the evolving AI that the guest was shot in the first place. I think this was the first time we saw a guest actually get shot.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

Yeah, the guest could have lost an eye. I wasnt sure if that is how it usually goes or it was symptom of the evolving AI that the guest was shot in the first place. I think this was the first time we saw a guest actually get shot.

Well, we saw Cyclops shoot straight at Ed Harris and it looked like it didn't do anything. Granted, that could be explained as we figure out who the fuck he really is.

 

[Childs]

Well, we saw Cyclops shoot straight at Ed Harris and it looked like it didn't do anything. Granted, that could be explained as we figure out who the fuck he really is.

The hosts usually miss. Lots of hosts have shot at Ed Harris and he never gets hit, and no one shot (hit) the Lady Rifleman (or The Riflewoman) either and she was in a few gun fights. Guests are shot at, but I dont think they are supposed to be hit. Even the buddy of the guy who was shot was kinda surprised the guy got shot. And the milk drinking host that went crazy didnt even attempt to shoot at guests, just killed other hosts. haha the idea of host on host violence because of prior beefs is funny. Its like watching rival AI gangs randomly fight in GTA.

Also, since they said the hosts are talking to someone that isnt actually there, I suppose it might be the manifestation of Hopkins deceased partner or something. Almost like in Ghost in the Machine...that is if I'm remembering it right. Maybe I'm thinking of Patlabor...definitely some anime from the 90s. Anyways, these episodes cant come out fast enough!

 

[mike8675309]

I am pretty sure we have yet to see an actual full day for any character we have seen so far. Thus how long it takes for things to be done isn't clear, though you get some hint when you see the host bodies being washed in a big clear tank. Now we do not know if those get recycled , and a distribution system has lots of duplicate hosts available. (Though they talk of Dolores being very old and often rebuilt, indicating rebuilding going on vs duplication)

Other hints of time distortion for the story we see. We know Dolores' story is almost a full day. Yet we see her talking to various people in the facility in various states (fully dressed and cleaned up, recently bloodied and damaged.) Set pieces destroyed yet in next scene back in good shape. And the scene with the Host drinking milk and it pouring out of his gut. Obviously it is after dark and the team is already starting to clean things up. I assume closed for the day?

One thought is we are only seeing pieces and parts because there are other then Western worlds they are running (ie. the movie) and they haven't shown those to us yet. So guests get moved to elsewhere when problems occur here.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

Also, since they said the hosts are talking to someone that isnt actually there, I suppose it might be the manifestation of Hopkins deceased partner or something.

Yeah, that host was addressing Arnold by name. He clearly thought he was having a conversation with a person.