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Were the Confederates as bad as ISIS?

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Not trolling. I admitted I was ignorant of this subject.

the Civil War and more specifically, the time leading up to it are very interesting and important parts of American history. It would be worth your time to read up or watch some History Channel stuff on it. I've watched a ton of great documentaries on it and they have all shed a lot of light on what happened.

Its not something you can sum up in a couple paragraph forum post. You have years of law from different states and the federal government as well as the tensions in the states themselves. Then you have to figure in the territories and what was going on there. Then mix that all up, figure out what Lincoln was trying to accomplish, then figure out what actually made the war start.

Seriously OP, do a little research on this. Its interesting and informative.
 
I thoroughly disagree 🙂. How is burning farmhouses and killing entire families, hanging people, destroying businesses and infrastructure, etc. not "close to what ISIS is and is doing?"


The union army were pros at this. If you follow the logic of the OP, Sherman and his army was isis
 
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I think from the Southern perspective, the civil was was far less about ideology and more about politics and economics. The main issues at stake were states' rights and federal power. Something that had been bubbling up for awhile. Slavery was just the catalyst in a series of long standing disputes that would have likely come to blows.

The South hadn't really benefited from the industrial revolution up to that point. Around this time period, Britain was turning to its colonies in India and Egypt to supply the cotton mills. Since cotton growing is labour intensive, the South required a steady supply of cheap labour in order to stay competitive. That meant hanging on to slavery.

Which meant a lot of head butting with the pro-abolitionist North, who was growing in power economically and politically thanks to industrialization. The South was losing power as the north expanded and worried, correctly, that the Northern controlled Federal Government would start throwing its authority around.

Things came to blow after the popular sovereignty clause was added to the Nebraska-Kansas act. Free soilers believed, correctly, that wealthy slave owners would try to turn this into a land and power grab. Hostilities eventually broke out, which precipitated Southern succession and the war.

While Southern slave owners were most certainly racist before the war, violence was rare. The war itself was largely fought "honourably", if there is such a thing in war.

Strong anti-black sentiment didn't really appear until the Reconstruction period. That's when you saw the rise of Jim Crow, violence, white supremacy movements, and the fist Ku Klux Klan. Southerners blamed their former slaves for the loss, and worried they'd retaliate afterwards unless kept in check. By the 20th century, it had become culturally ingrained. Especially with the rise of Social Darwinist movements that helped to justified their actions.

Islamic State on the other hand is driven primarily by religious ideology. The US war in Iraq left a gaping power vacuum in the region, which Islamic fundamentalists quickly too advantage of. When the US army pulled out, it basically gave Al Qaeda affiliated rebels free reign. Ironically, Saddam and Al-Assad's oppressive regimes were the only thing keeping terrorism from gaining a foothold in Iraq and the Levant.

The violence there is somewhat closer to The Troubles in Ireland than it is the US Civil War.
You seriously don't feel that keeping black people as property qualifies as "Strong anti-black sentiment"?

Did you catch that it was PEOPLE being kept as PROPERTY? 'Cause denying someone's very humanity is, um, not an indication of regard.

Scorched earth is sometimes a necessary evil. Burning buildings and businesses is a shitty thing to do but sometimes its the best option at the time.

I wasn't aware of entire families being killed or innocent people being hung. Or are you saying it was confederate (I refuse to capitalize that word) soldiers who were hung and whole families of them were part of the war effort and got killed?
Sympathizers on both sides were regularly murdered. In fact, sometimes (rarely, but it happened) whole towns were put to death, or all men in a town, on the basis of supporting one side or the other. Now obviously this wasn't strictly a Southern thing, but it became more a Southern thing and less a Northern thing as the North gained the upper hand. Combined with slavery, I don't think that's too far afield from ISIS.

It's not like a slave could be otherwise free as long as he prayed the "right way" five times a day and obeyed the Confederacy. He was still property. So while there are many things that aren't comparable to the Confederacy, there are also things that are arguably worse then. (I wouldn't rule out slavery in ISIS today - especially slavery of women - but it was a very widespread evil in the Confederacy.)
 
The union army were pros at this. If you follow the logic of the OP, Sherman and his army was isis

Not any academic authority on this but I think most of that was just regular scorched Earth operations. More or less just destroying all property with the obvious looting and pillaging also.
 
Religious moral grounds is the reason the North opposed slavery.
Economic grounds is the reason the South required slavery.

Do not apply today's politics to the world 150+ years ago.



Churches were the center of social and intellectual life in the south. That was where people congregated, where they learned about the world and their place in it, and where they received moral guidance. The clergy comprised the community’s cultural leaders and educators and carried tremendous influence with slaveholders and non-slaveholders alike.

Southern clergy defended the morality of slavery through an elaborate scriptural defense built on the infallibility of the Bible, which they held up as the universal and objective standard for moral issues. Religious messages from pulpit and from a growing religious press accounted in large part for the extreme, uncompromising, ideological atmosphere of the time.

What were their arguments? The Presbyterian theologian Robert Lewis Dabney reminded his fellow Southern clergymen that the Bible was the best way to explain slavery to the masses. “We must go before the nation with the Bible as the text, and ‘thus sayeth the lord’ as the answer,” he wrote. “We know that on the Bible argument the abolition party will be driven to unveil their true infidel tendencies. The Bible being bound to stand on our side, they have to come out and array themselves against the Bible.”

Reverend Furman of South Carolina insisted that the right to hold slaves was clearly sanctioned by the Holy Scriptures. He emphasized a practical side as well, warning that if Lincoln were elected, “every Negro in South Carolina and every other Southern state will be his own master; nay, more than that, will be the equal of every one of you. If you are tame enough to submit, abolition preachers will be at hand to consummate the marriage of your daughters to black husbands.”

The Biblical argument started with Noah’s curse on Ham, the father of Canaan, which was used to demonstrate that God had ordained slavery and had expressly applied it to Blacks. Commonly cited were passages in Leviticus that authorized the buying, selling, holding and bequeathing of slaves as property. Methodist Samuel Dunwody from South Carolina documented that Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, and Job owned slaves, arguing that “some of the most eminent of the Old Testament saints were slave holders.” The Methodist Quarterly Review noted further that “the teachings of the new testament in regard to bodily servitude accord with the old.” While slavery was not expressly sanctioned in the New Testament, Southern clergymen argued that the absence of condemnation signified approval. They cited Paul’s return of a runaway slave to his master as Biblical authority for the Fugitive Slave Act, which required the return of runaway slaves.

As Pastor Dunwody of South Carolina summed up the case: “Thus, God, as he is infinitely wise, just and holy, never could authorize the practice of a moral evil. But God has authorized the practice of slavery, not only by the bare permission of his Providence, but the express provision of his word. Therefore, slavery is not a moral evil.” Since the Bible was the source for moral authority, the case was closed. “Man may err,” said the southern theologian James Thornwell, “but God can never lie.”

The Southern Presbyterian of S.C observed that there was a “religious character to the present struggle. Anti-slavery is essentially infidel. It wars upon the Bible, on the Church of Christ, on the truth of God, on the souls of men.” A Georgia preacher denounced abolitionists as “diametrically opposed to the letter and spirit of the Bible, and as subversive of all sound morality, as the worst ravings of infidelity.” The prominent South Carolina Presbyterian theologian James Henley Thornwell did not mince his words. “The parties in the conflict are not merely abolitionists and slaveholders. They are atheists, socialists, communists, red republicans, Jacobins on the one side, and friends of order and regulated freedom on the other. In one word, the world is the battleground – Christianity and Atheism the combatants; and the progress of humanity at stake.”

During the 1850’s, pro-slavery arguments from the pulpit became especially strident. A preacher in Richmond exalted slavery as “the most blessed and beautiful form of social government known; the only one that solves the problem, how rich and poor may dwell together; a beneficent patriarchate.” The Central Presbyterian affirmed that slavery was “a relation essential to the existence of civilized society.” By 1860, Southern preachers felt comfortable advising their parishioners that “both Christianity and Slavery are from heaven; both are blessings to humanity; both are to be perpetuated to the end of time.”


By 1860, Southern churches were denouncing the North as decadent and sinful because it had turned from God and rejected the Bible. Since the North was sinful and degenerate, went their reasoning, the South must purify itself by seceding. As a South Carolina preacher noted on the eve of secession, “We cannot coalesce with men whose society will eventually corrupt our own, and bring down upon us the awful doom which awaits them.” The consequence was a pointedly religious bent to rising Southern nationalism. As the Southern Presbyterian wrote, “It would be a glorious sight to see this Southern Confederacy of ours stepping forth amid the nations of the world animated with a Christian spirit, guided by Christian principles, administered by Christian men, and adhering faithfully to Christian precepts,” ie., the slavery of fellow human beings.
 
Not any academic authority on this but I think most of that was just regular scorched Earth operations. More or less just destroying all property with the obvious looting and pillaging also.

He also wanted to kill women and children and it was approved. I still won't compare him to ISIS though.

Gen. Sherman in a June 21, 1864, letter to Lincoln's Sec. of War, Edwin Station wrote, "There is a class of people men, women and children, who must be killed or banished before you can hope for peace and order." Stanton replied, "Your letter of the 21st of June has just reached me and meets my approval."
 
Churches were the center of social and intellectual life in the south. That was where people congregated, where they learned about the world and their place in it, and where they received moral guidance. The clergy comprised the community’s cultural leaders and educators and carried tremendous influence with slaveholders and non-slaveholders alike.

Southern clergy defended the morality of slavery through an elaborate scriptural defense built on the infallibility of the Bible, which they held up as the universal and objective standard for moral issues. Religious messages from pulpit and from a growing religious press accounted in large part for the extreme, uncompromising, ideological atmosphere of the time.

What were their arguments? The Presbyterian theologian Robert Lewis Dabney reminded his fellow Southern clergymen that the Bible was the best way to explain slavery to the masses. “We must go before the nation with the Bible as the text, and ‘thus sayeth the lord’ as the answer,” he wrote. “We know that on the Bible argument the abolition party will be driven to unveil their true infidel tendencies. The Bible being bound to stand on our side, they have to come out and array themselves against the Bible.”

Reverend Furman of South Carolina insisted that the right to hold slaves was clearly sanctioned by the Holy Scriptures. He emphasized a practical side as well, warning that if Lincoln were elected, “every Negro in South Carolina and every other Southern state will be his own master; nay, more than that, will be the equal of every one of you. If you are tame enough to submit, abolition preachers will be at hand to consummate the marriage of your daughters to black husbands.”

The Biblical argument started with Noah’s curse on Ham, the father of Canaan, which was used to demonstrate that God had ordained slavery and had expressly applied it to Blacks. Commonly cited were passages in Leviticus that authorized the buying, selling, holding and bequeathing of slaves as property. Methodist Samuel Dunwody from South Carolina documented that Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, and Job owned slaves, arguing that “some of the most eminent of the Old Testament saints were slave holders.” The Methodist Quarterly Review noted further that “the teachings of the new testament in regard to bodily servitude accord with the old.” While slavery was not expressly sanctioned in the New Testament, Southern clergymen argued that the absence of condemnation signified approval. They cited Paul’s return of a runaway slave to his master as Biblical authority for the Fugitive Slave Act, which required the return of runaway slaves.

As Pastor Dunwody of South Carolina summed up the case: “Thus, God, as he is infinitely wise, just and holy, never could authorize the practice of a moral evil. But God has authorized the practice of slavery, not only by the bare permission of his Providence, but the express provision of his word. Therefore, slavery is not a moral evil.” Since the Bible was the source for moral authority, the case was closed. “Man may err,” said the southern theologian James Thornwell, “but God can never lie.”

The Southern Presbyterian of S.C observed that there was a “religious character to the present struggle. Anti-slavery is essentially infidel. It wars upon the Bible, on the Church of Christ, on the truth of God, on the souls of men.” A Georgia preacher denounced abolitionists as “diametrically opposed to the letter and spirit of the Bible, and as subversive of all sound morality, as the worst ravings of infidelity.” The prominent South Carolina Presbyterian theologian James Henley Thornwell did not mince his words. “The parties in the conflict are not merely abolitionists and slaveholders. They are atheists, socialists, communists, red republicans, Jacobins on the one side, and friends of order and regulated freedom on the other. In one word, the world is the battleground – Christianity and Atheism the combatants; and the progress of humanity at stake.”

During the 1850’s, pro-slavery arguments from the pulpit became especially strident. A preacher in Richmond exalted slavery as “the most blessed and beautiful form of social government known; the only one that solves the problem, how rich and poor may dwell together; a beneficent patriarchate.” The Central Presbyterian affirmed that slavery was “a relation essential to the existence of civilized society.” By 1860, Southern preachers felt comfortable advising their parishioners that “both Christianity and Slavery are from heaven; both are blessings to humanity; both are to be perpetuated to the end of time.”


By 1860, Southern churches were denouncing the North as decadent and sinful because it had turned from God and rejected the Bible. Since the North was sinful and degenerate, went their reasoning, the South must purify itself by seceding. As a South Carolina preacher noted on the eve of secession, “We cannot coalesce with men whose society will eventually corrupt our own, and bring down upon us the awful doom which awaits them.” The consequence was a pointedly religious bent to rising Southern nationalism. As the Southern Presbyterian wrote, “It would be a glorious sight to see this Southern Confederacy of ours stepping forth amid the nations of the world animated with a Christian spirit, guided by Christian principles, administered by Christian men, and adhering faithfully to Christian precepts,” ie., the slavery of fellow human beings.

Unfortunately there were many Christians in the South who fooled themselves into believing that slavery was okay, but what they failed to do is recognize how the slavery of the South came about. This is critically important. The Bible doesn't outright state that slavery is evil, but it does strictly forbid certain practices within slavery from occurring. Namely:

1. Forcefully subjecting others into slavery. Let's be honest here, the vast majority of African Americans you see today are here because slave traders came ashore and subjugated them. Once it was realized that Africans had a natural resistance to malaria, enslaving entire villages and selling them in the West Indies became hugely profitable. Whether it be ancient times or Civil War era, the Bible strictly forbids this.

2. It does set strict guidelines as to how masters should treat, respect, and care for their slaves. Abuse of slaves is not allowed.

3. Slavery really goes against the entire message of Christ. All humans being made equal in the eyes of God cannot be mistranslated as, "All white men are equal in the eyes of God." No, it's all men, women, and children regardless of race, color, sex, or history are made equal in the eyes of God by their belief that Jesus died on a cross for their sins.

It's really a sad chapter in our nation's history that slavery even existed. Even sadder that there were spiritual leaders who defended it.
 
Slavery was an issue, yes. Yes, it is wrong and the South did allow it. But while it is very easy to paint the Civil War as "North good! No slavery! Winners!" and "South bad! Slavery! Losers!" for the sake of simplicity, it glosses over a great deal of context and complexity in the event.

I can't say I am actually familiar with what ISIS' goals are however.

It would be more accurate to say It is wrong and the United States did Allow It.

We all know that the federal government allowed slavery. It even allowed slaves to be counted as partial people. At one point New York State allowed slavery.

The issue was: Should slaves count as part of the population? Under the proposed Constitution, population would ultimately determine three matters:

(1) How many members each state would have in the House of Representatives.
(2) How many electoral votes each state would have in presidential elections.
(3) The amount each state would pay in direct taxes to the federal government.

In 1787 after months of debate, delegates signed the new Constitution of the United States. (Wikimedia Commons)

Only the Southern states had large numbers of slaves. Counting them as part of the population would greatly increase the South’s political power, but it would also mean paying higher taxes. This was a price the Southern states were willing to pay. They argued in favor of counting slaves. Northern states disagreed. The delegates compromised. Each slave would count as three-fifths of a person.
 
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Whiskey Rebellion, Battle of Blair Mountain, plenty of others battles would be considered domestic terrorism now. Back in those days, you did what you thought was right and you fought for what was right.

However none of those battles including the Civil War were anything close to what ISIS is and is doing.

However what slave owners did to black people in the South is very similar to what ISIS did and confederate soldiers fought to maintain that.
 
However what slave owners did to black people in the South is very similar to what ISIS did and confederate soldiers fought to maintain that.

So unrelated and stupid as to not even make sense.

I'm not bothering.

If you're trying to equate the two you shouldn't even be posting.
 
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Well one might ask if the South and slavery was indeed ISIS-like?
Considering the way most slaves were treated, used up like fuel then discarded as useless waste, bought and sold as one would an animal, with the slave owners having no conscience or compassion for family stability of the slave, and considering a slave could be killed by the slave owner at any time with absolutely no legal repercussions.
About the only comparison lacking when comparing the Confederacy to ISIS is the be-headings.
Not to suggest a be-heading is preferable over a lynching....

What I wonder about is the percentage of slave owners in the south vs the north?
And the percentage of the southern wealthy that chose not to own slaves?
Or the percentage of wealthy southerns believing it wrong to own a slave?
Most consider pre-Lincoln slavery a southern thing.
How about the north?
Was slave ownership also a northern luxury?
Was this slave ownership only in the southern tenancy?

And if so, what the hell was and is (for that matter) wrong with southerns?
Which states of the nation took part in slavery, and which states did not, if any?
Or did all states take part?
And too, what was the average income level for one to even own a slave?
How wealthy did one need to be?

Something happened.
At some point minds were changed for the civil war to come about.
And the Confederacy was all about slave ownership.
And the civil war was all about the issue of slavery.
Right?
 
So unrelated and stupid as to not even make sense.

I'm not bothering.

If you're trying to equate the two you shouldn't even be posting.

Considering confederate soldiers fought mainly to maintain slavery is it directly related.

Imagine someone in this country supporting ISIS. They would be jailed even if they never harmed anyone.

I'm sure Nazi soldiers fought bravely even thought most of them never gassed anyone. Does that mean they get statues erected in their honor?
 
You seriously don't feel that keeping black people as property qualifies as "Strong anti-black sentiment"?

Did you catch that it was PEOPLE being kept as PROPERTY? 'Cause denying someone's very humanity is, um, not an indication of regard.

and that is where the problem starts. Far too many including P&N posters have this attitude. Once removed the rest is obvious.
 
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Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever. I'll be generous to the OP and acknowledge his admitted claim of ignorance. So to the OP, I'll simply say that there is no relevant parallel between the antebellum south and ISIS.

But to the person that I've just quoted, you're an effing moron. Here's a little history lesson for you. Evil straight white European male seldom went stomping through sub Saharan Africa kidnapping sweet innocent native African tribes-people. Warring tribes took slaves and hauled them to coastal towns and sold them. And by the way as often as not, the ones doing the capturing and enslaving were Muslim converts. Slavery has been part of the world culture for millennia. Doesn't make it right, it's merely a statement of fact. It didn't become evil when white men did it. And it's still going on today, in no small part due to certain Muslim grougs.

Yes, there were some nasty slave owners in the south. But there were others that took good care of their slaves, even allowing them to form their own church. And btw, there were BLACK slave owners in the south. Yes, some of them purchases slaves to protect them, but there were others who were every bit as nasty to there slaves as some of the worst of the white slave owners.

As others have stated the Civil War was far more c.omplex than just slavery. I'm glad slavery was abolished. I'm glad some of my ancestors fought for the North and some were part of the underground railroad.

But you, Schmide, are an idiot for even trying to draw a comparison between the South (at that time) and ISIS.

It's a fair question and those who attack the messenger might as well just admit their racism.

Look at the parallels.

1) Forced migrations of millions of people. Check
2) Repression of millions of people. Check
3) Women forced to wear weird dress and not work. Check.

Feel free to add more.
 
What I wonder about is the percentage of slave owners in the south vs the north?
And the percentage of the southern wealthy that chose not to own slaves?
Or the percentage of wealthy southerns believing it wrong to own a slave?
Most consider pre-Lincoln slavery a southern thing.
How about the north?
Was slave ownership also a northern luxury?
Was this slave ownership only in the southern tenancy?

And if so, what the hell was and is (for that matter) wrong with southerns?
Which states of the nation took part in slavery, and which states did not, if any?
Or did all states take part?
And too, what was the average income level for one to even own a slave?
How wealthy did one need to be?

Something happened.
At some point minds were changed for the civil war to come about.
And the Confederacy was all about slave ownership.
And the civil war was all about the issue of slavery.
Right?

I can answer some of them really quick
20% of Southerner's owned slaves. http://www.measuringworth.com/slavery.php help answer some of your question about the economics of slaves.
The North owned slaves, but not as many. It didn't suit the work force they needed.
I think slaves were owned in every state at one point or another except for later when they started creating free states.
 
The Confederacy was a real threat to the US. Unlike ISIS.

This was one of the parallels I was drawing. The Confederacy was to the US as ISIS is to Iraq. It's a large people group, concentrated in a certain major part of the country, that is aggressively trying to secede and claim their own country at any cost.
 
I'm sure Nazi soldiers fought bravely even thought most of them never gassed anyone. Does that mean they get statues erected in their honor?

there are. Here is one example and guess what, the Dutch village of Goirle put it up, and the german soldiers name was Private Karl-Heinz Rosch

as i said above, just stop posting, your ignorance is worse than the OP.


Karl-Heinz-Roschs-Memorial.jpg
 
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and that is where the problem starts. Far too many including P&N posters have this attitude. Once removed the rest is obvious.
Agreed. Far too many concentrate on how the slaves were treated, but slavery itself is the elephant in the room. And this New World slavery was purely for the benefit of the owner; slavery in early Medieval Europe was mostly people who voluntarily made themselves slaves for protection in the very dangerous world following the disintegration of the Empire. By custom, one even had to pay for the privilege. Being asked to take someone as slave, being literally paid to take someone as slave, is a huge moral difference from paying some third party to raid a Stone Age level village and enslave its inhabitants. And exactly whom one pays to take one's slaves or for one's slaves doesn't really make much difference in my book.

Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever. I'll be generous to the OP and acknowledge his admitted claim of ignorance. So to the OP, I'll simply say that there is no relevant parallel between the antebellum south and ISIS.

But to the person that I've just quoted, you're an effing moron. Here's a little history lesson for you. Evil straight white European male seldom went stomping through sub Saharan Africa kidnapping sweet innocent native African tribes-people. Warring tribes took slaves and hauled them to coastal towns and sold them. And by the way as often as not, the ones doing the capturing and enslaving were Muslim converts. Slavery has been part of the world culture for millennia. Doesn't make it right, it's merely a statement of fact. It didn't become evil when white men did it. And it's still going on today, in no small part due to certain Muslim groups.

Yes, there were some nasty slave owners in the south. But there were others that took good care of their slaves, even allowing them to form their own church. And btw, there were BLACK slave owners in the south. Yes, some of them purchases slaves to protect them, but there were others who were every bit as nasty to there slaves as some of the worst of the white slave owners.

As others have stated the Civil War was far more c.omplex than just slavery. I'm glad slavery was abolished. I'm glad some of my ancestors fought for the North and some were part of the underground railroad.

But you, Schmide, are an idiot for even trying to draw a comparison between the South (at that time) and ISIS.
I agree with a lot of that, but taking good care of one's slaves is like taking good care of one's mules - done for the owner's benefit, a smart way to maximize one's valuable property. I award no moral points, any more than to those who freed their slaves upon their own death.

I can answer some of them really quick
20% of Southerner's owned slaves. http://www.measuringworth.com/slavery.php help answer some of your question about the economics of slaves.
The North owned slaves, but not as many. It didn't suit the work force they needed.
I think slaves were owned in every state at one point or another except for later when they started creating free states.
It's a measure of the morality of slavery that its tolerance was based almost completely on slaves' utility. Thus the North, with a poorer growing season, gravitated toward manufacturing, for which slavery is counter-productive compared to the profit motive of free workers. In much the same way, middle and western Tennessee, with their flatter ground and huge plantations, supported the Confederacy, whereas rocky, hilly eastern Tennessee, composed mostly of smallholdings, supported the Union. An area needed a compelling economic reason to make slavery attractive before expending the energy finding ways to justify it.
 
the two clearly have nothing in common.

If I remember correctly, the south simply resisted reform and seceded due to a political decision.

The IS wants to impose an ideology all over the world and actively attacks third parties to achieve that goal.

The confederates were more like the taliban if anything, wanting to run it their own way in their own little world, except that it wasn't about religion so it's still a stupid comparison, also nobody would have launched anti-black terror attacks from the confederation unlike Bin Laden.

Both states wanted to enforce an ideology that doesn't respect human rights, but then we can say that the IS and the soviet union or the nazis are the same thing, it's a damn stupid comparison that doesn't serve any purpose.
If the differences are too big, the comparison is useless.
 
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http://web.archive.org/web/20130822...tory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

The "States Rights" BS is nothing more than skirting the accusation that is really was about slavery and not the Confederation exercising it's rights to be free.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of hate - period.

ISIS is a terrorist organization. Both the Confederation and ISIS are indeed evil. But they are two different types of evil.
 
there are. Here is one example and guess what, the Dutch village of Goirle put it up, and the german soldiers name was Private Karl-Heinz Rosch

as i said above, just stop posting, your ignorance is worse than the OP.


Karl-Heinz-Roschs-Memorial.jpg
That's a good find, but at least according to this site it's the only such statue in Europe. (Presumably outside of Germany.) http://www.thefewgoodmen.com/thefgm...-karl-heinz-rosch-wehrmacht-oct-6-1944.13382/

It's also worth pointing out that such memorials are for individual acts outside of the war's scope, whereas such men as Nathan Bedford Forrest are being honored for their service to, and effectiveness in, the cause.
 
Not trolling. I admitted I was ignorant of this subject.

This was one of the parallels I was drawing. The Confederacy was to the US as ISIS is to Iraq. It's a large people group, concentrated in a certain major part of the country, that is aggressively trying to secede and claim their own country at any cost.

Do you often form opinions on subjects you admit you're ignorant on before you resolve that ignorance, or did you read up significantly between these two posts? :hmm:
 
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