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Greenman said:
It was information from a radio show I was listening to. I didn't get to hear the whole thing, but the bit I caught was interesting. It was the kgo afternoon show today, perhaps there is a podcast?
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Yeah, I hear Peter Navarro say a lot of things on the radio nearly every morning on NPR. It's obvious he's bullshitting every single time, so you know...it's wise to not instantly assume truth from some guy on the radio, even if they are speaking through a trusted outlet.
 
zinfamous said:
Yeah, I hear Peter Navarro say a lot of things on the radio nearly every morning on NPR. It's obvious he's bullshitting every single time, so you know...it's wise to not instantly assume truth from some guy on the radio, even if they are speaking through a trusted outlet.
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But what if I see something in a meme. That HAS to be true too, right?
 
1prophet said:
California full of outward social justice rich liberals with a selfish judgmental conservative inner core.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | America’s Cities Are Unlivable. Blame Wealthy Liberals. (Published 2019)

The demise of a California housing measure shows how progressives abandon progressive values in their own backyards.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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The likely single largest contributor over the decades to the decline in housing affordability is the Prop 13 and a couple subsequent amendments which Republicans got passed. That property taxes are essentially frozen and people can gift their wealth to their descendants tax free has crippled the turnover of land required to accommodate a growing population.

Liberals shoulder some of the blame for the recent policy disputes about how to fix things and the generally restrictive zoning regimes municipalities implement. Though I expect SB50 to return next year and likely pass in some form. California is making progress on a number of fronts like ADUs and removing some development from local control if it has a high proportion of affordable housing.
 
TheVrolok said:
LOL. Stop being so fucking lazy/gullible.
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People need to look into things a bit when small chunks of information seem to validate their priors. Maybe it's right, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's wrongly represented to advance a political agenda.

The fear of crime perpetuated by the media (all kinds of media really) doesn't comport with the statistically low levels of crime that the US experiences compared to recent decades past. An older parent of mine talks about the supposedly high current crime levels a lot when they lived through the 70s, 80s, and 90s which comparatively were fucking nuts.
 
Greenman said:
It was information from a radio show I was listening to. I didn't get to hear the whole thing, but the bit I caught was interesting. It was the kgo afternoon show today, perhaps there is a podcast?
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You would be less obvious with a username of Greenmansky.

Ladies and gentleman, I give you peoples evidence #1. Spreading unsubstantiated bullshit. Doing the work of the Russians looking for brain fried right wingers to believe.
 
1prophet said:
[quote]People migrate out to CA for the weather and for the fun and for the hopes of living the good life, however in all reality they lack the education or ability or the skills to find and retain a decent job.
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California full of outward social justice rich liberals with a selfish judgmental conservative inner core.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | America’s Cities Are Unlivable. Blame Wealthy Liberals. (Published 2019)

The demise of a California housing measure shows how progressives abandon progressive values in their own backyards.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Its not "wealthy liberals". its the fact people come without the right skills. Cities are competition.
 
I will be candid when I don't have "deep statistics". I believe in statistics, compiled, collected and analyzed by professional statisticians. The OP is LIKELY correct about CA percent of total US population. For other research, I tracked it from the early 1960s to end of Dubya Bush's second term. It was 12% more or less through all that time. Together with Texas, a total of 19% of the US population produced something above 50% of US presidencies in that time. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, 55% of presidencies and 60% of presidential terms. Also -- check my assertion here -- each of those states have the largest total miles of paved highway.

We lived in central Illinois until I was 10. I missed the snow, and I missed the rolling, dark storm fronts of spring rainstorms.

Here, the rainfall is sparse, the air is dirty despite years of government effort to make it much, much cleaner than it was. Yes -- the beaches. Yes -- the mountains. Yes -- the XLNT beef tamales, produced by an LA company in business for 125 years. Yes to all of it. I can have the snow during certain seasons, if willing to drive to the mountains. Seattle has rain half the days of the year, and they have clean air up there.

There is an out-migration of Californians. They all write letters to XLNT, complaining that they can't buy the tamales in Wisconsin, Michigan and other places.

As for the homeless problem, there are plenty of other places where sleeping on the street in December is less daunting than living outdoors in Chicago. Maybe homeless people, voting with their feet, follow the myths about beaches and sunshine. Who knows? Needs more statistics. As for the price of housing, that is also a problem, exacerbated by Proposition 13 tax rates -- or so it has been argued. If you've owned your home for 40 years, you're paying sustainable taxes. If you sell it to buy another property, you will move to another state.
 
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zinfamous said:
Yeah, I hear Peter Navarro say a lot of things on the radio nearly every morning on NPR. It's obvious he's bullshitting every single time, so you know...it's wise to not instantly assume truth from some guy on the radio, even if they are speaking through a trusted outlet.
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IMO it's more or less a given that all the angry voices on talk radio are bullshitters spewing easily disproven lies.
 
JSt0rm said:
Its not "wealthy liberals". its the fact people come without the right skills. Cities are competition.
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Isn't it odd that self-labelled capitalist conservatives always hate the 'liberal elitist' capitalism in the big cities? That's tribalism for you.
 
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1prophet said:
[quote]People migrate out to CA for the weather and for the fun and for the hopes of living the good life, however in all reality they lack the education or ability or the skills to find and retain a decent job.
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California full of outward social justice rich liberals with a selfish judgmental conservative inner core.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | America’s Cities Are Unlivable. Blame Wealthy Liberals. (Published 2019)

The demise of a California housing measure shows how progressives abandon progressive values in their own backyards.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Yeah you found an opinion piece that agrees with you! Confirmation bias for the win!
 
Moonbeam said:
How about California has a wonderful quality of life and worthless lazy self centered vicious piece of scum head here by the droves to suck from that beautiful California milky titty created by liberal thinking.

Maybe it's that people can go outside all year. Or maybe conservatives just like to kill people if they don't live under a police state. Of course it could also just be Southern California where the competition is viciously intense on who can be the phoniest.
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Not so much California, but most
K1052 said:
The likely single largest contributor over the decades to the decline in housing affordability is the Prop 13 and a couple subsequent amendments which Republicans got passed. That property taxes are essentially frozen and people can gift their wealth to their descendants tax free has crippled the turnover of land required to accommodate a growing population.

Liberals shoulder some of the blame for the recent policy disputes about how to fix things and the generally restrictive zoning regimes municipalities implement. Though I expect SB50 to return next year and likely pass in some form. California is making progress on a number of fronts like ADUs and removing some development from local control if it has a high proportion of affordable housing.
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Seems everyone except native Californians realize how F'up prop 13 is. It's I got my piece of heaven, new comers, pay my way.
 
hal2kilo said:
Not so much California, but most

Seems everyone except native Californians realize how F'up prop 13 is. It's I got my piece of heaven, new comers, pay my way.
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everyone knows prop 13 isnt working. They are changing it. The intention wasnt what happened.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Can a guy from CA please explain this prop 13 thing to a guy whom is not from CA?
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It lowered property taxes from 3% to 1%. But it also changed the system whereby properties get reassessed for tax purposes. The tax bill is based on 1% of your property value. The ordinary system is that county assessors will do a new appraisal for each property periodically, like once every five years. Under Prop 13, properties aren't reassessed until they are sold to a new owner. So if your house was appraised at $70,000 back in 1978 when Prop 13 was passed, and you never sold it, then you're still paying 1% of $70,000 ($700) in taxes every year even though your house is now worth $1.3 million. Furthermore, if you die and leave your property to your kids, the property will not be reassessed then either. So if you keep the property in your family, you and your progeny will pay a pittance in property tax for all eternity.

All this means that people in CA have a strong incentive to never sell their houses. Even when they move, they will often keep the property and rent it out rather than sell it. That means low supply in the housing market, which in turn means high prices.
 
woolfe9998 said:
It lowered property taxes from 3% to 1%. But it also changed the system whereby properties get reassessed for tax purposes. The tax bill is based on 1% of your property value. The ordinary system is that county assessors will do a new appraisal for each property periodically, like once every five years. Under Prop 13, properties aren't reassessed until they are sold to a new owner. So if your house was appraised at $70,000 back in 1978 when Prop 13 was passed, and you never sold it, then you're still paying 1% of $70,000 ($700) in taxes every year even though your house is now worth $1.3 million. Furthermore, if you die and leave your property to your kids, the property will not be reassessed then either. So if you keep the property in your family, you and your progeny will pay a pittance in property tax for all eternity.

All this means that people in CA have a strong incentive to never sell their houses. Even when they move, they will often keep the property and rent it out rather than sell it. That means low supply on the housing market, which in turn means high prices.
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Thank you
 
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