Were my friend's rights infringed by the cops?

[lancestorm]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Sounds like some one's "friend" got caught saucing behind the wheel to me.

My ass. He doesn't drink.

I'm just pissed about the whole situation. These things should NOT be happening in America. Goodbye America, welcome Russia!

These things happen because the majority of us want them to happen. It's called Democracy. Deal with it.

From reading the responses of the people in this thread, no one "wants" them. They just are submissive to them. There's a difference!!

 

[MercenaryForHire]

It was Canada Day yesterday.
I got stopped at a checkpoint.
I answered three questions - booze, drugs, and that I was indeed having a good evening.

Wow. That was SUCH an inconvenience. He TOTALLY VIOLATED MY RIGHTS OMG. I should COMPLAIN TO MY MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT or maybe even better I should POST AND WHINE ABOUT IT ON AN INTERNET FORUM.

:roll:

- M4H

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Sounds like some one's "friend" got caught saucing behind the wheel to me.

My ass. He doesn't drink.

I'm just pissed about the whole situation. These things should NOT be happening in America. Goodbye America, welcome Russia!

These things happen because the majority of us want them to happen. It's called Democracy. Deal with it.

From reading the responses of the people in this thread, no one "wants" them. They just are submissive to them. There's a difference!!

Then we'll have asshats like you complaining about the lack of security when we get owned again by a terrorist, or when a drunk driver smashes into you or your car killing a loved one :roll: But oh wait, it was in the name of personal rights! You can't have it both ways.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: Mandos

Originally posted by: halik
Eh,
as long as they dont search my car i could care less. (not that i have stuff in my car, but that would be raping the 4th)

Plus I'd rather inconvenience myself than let a drunk asshole drive around

we can't live our lives in fear. if DUI came with one year manditory jail and 5 year licence suspension... none of this would be a problem...

You apparently don't have a family yet - once you have children and a wife, you might think differently.

When you're drunk somehow I don't think you're considering jailtime and license suspension.

 

[lancestorm]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Sounds like some one's "friend" got caught saucing behind the wheel to me.

My ass. He doesn't drink.

I'm just pissed about the whole situation. These things should NOT be happening in America. Goodbye America, welcome Russia!

These things happen because the majority of us want them to happen. It's called Democracy. Deal with it.

From reading the responses of the people in this thread, no one "wants" them. They just are submissive to them. There's a difference!!

Then we'll have asshats like you complaining about the lack of security when we get owned again by a terrorist, or when a drunk driver smashes into you or your car killing a loved one :roll: But oh wait, it was in the name of personal rights! You can't have it both ways.

This is free America, where in law we are innocent until proven guilty. With the issue we are discussing, this is not the case. It is prove yourself innocent, or we will arrest you. That is absolutely absurd, appalling, and a disgrace to our country's original rights.

I am offended by you calling me an asshat. I'm an American who wants my free rights and I feel that even though it was upheld by S. C., that doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't be challenged again!

Will I complain about the lack of security if another terrorist attack occurs? No. I think the gov't is doing a good job with what they have. But don't get me started with that. You know, the fact that our own gov't funded and helped the same terrorists that attacked us and were actually part of some of the bombings on American soil.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Sounds like some one's "friend" got caught saucing behind the wheel to me.

My ass. He doesn't drink.

I'm just pissed about the whole situation. These things should NOT be happening in America. Goodbye America, welcome Russia!

These things happen because the majority of us want them to happen. It's called Democracy. Deal with it.

From reading the responses of the people in this thread, no one "wants" them. They just are submissive to them. There's a difference!!

Are you reading just your own responses? 😛

Add a poll, let's see what the majority votes for. I"m actually quite curious. 😀

 

[Deadtrees]

You complaining about your country turning into Russia?
You gotta thank those cops doing their effort to catch morons behind the wheel.
Do you even know what cops are like in Russia?
They'll stop you for no reason, take you to the police station, lock you up for some hours before you realize that it's Russia and your way out of this mess is paying them off.
I really think you should go to Russia.

 

[Emveach]

When they have them in Ohio, you are told where the checkpoints will be and what time they will be running. If you are sober, you can remember to avoid them. Most of the time its the idiot drunks that still drive through them and think they can "beat the system". I'm glad to see them doing it, and support the police fully in keeping drunk drivers off the road.

 

[Shockwave]

I'm all for drunk driving as long as it falls into the "Drunk driving hours" timeframe. 😛

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Having been involved in 2 accidents involving a drunken moron behind the wheel of the other car, im a bit biased... But i am more than for the practices taking place in pennsylvania (i live there).

Even better, if they see you turn off on a nearby road to avoid the block, they hop in a interceptor and chase you down 😀 more power to em. If youre stupid enough to drink and drive, you deserve the $3500 in fines.

Its MORE than worth the inconvenience.

state police don't know their own backroads. I never even get near my car when I've been drinking, but if a cop thought they were gunna catch up with me on PA's back roads even close enough to have a lights on persuit.... they have a hard lesson coming in mustang vs caprice handling rofl

:beer:

PAs new state interceptors are Trans-AMs 😉

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Then we'll have asshats like you complaining about the lack of security when we get owned again by a terrorist

Giving up rights does not increase our security; it does the opposite. The limitations on government power written in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights (along with similar documents elsewhere) were designed to ensure the security of the people. Unchecked police and government power is a security threat just as dangerous as unchecked terrorism.

We have to evaluate security measures in terms of both their effectiveness and their costs, both monetary and in terms of civil liberties, convenience, privacy, and greater vulnerability to other threats. If you think the costs of security measures don't matter, what about grounding all civilian aircraft in the US permanently to prevent another 9/11? It's an effective solution, but the costs are too high for anyone to consider it. You could also wear a bulletproof vest everywhere you go to enhance your security, but almost no one thinks that convenience tradeoff is worthwhile.

We have a finite amount of money and freedoms, so we have to be smart about our security choices.

 

[OutHouse]

I got stopped in a "Drug Checkpoint" a couple of years ago on I-76 a few miles outside of Denver.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: lancestorm

This is free America, where in law we are innocent until proven guilty. With the issue we are discussing, this is not the case. It is prove yourself innocent, or we will arrest you. That is absolutely absurd, appalling, and a disgrace to our country's original rights.

I am offended by you calling me an asshat. I'm an American who wants my free rights and I feel that even though it was upheld by S. C., that doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't be challenged again!

Will I complain about the lack of security if another terrorist attack occurs? No. I think the gov't is doing a good job with what they have. But don't get me started with that. You know, the fact that our own gov't funded and helped the same terrorists that attacked us and were actually part of some of the bombings on American soil.

If the government is doing a good job with what they have, why are you complaining about a simple roadblock? They're not doing a search of their car. They're saying:

"Good evening sir. Have you been drinking? No? Ok well have a good holiday weekend"

The pursuit of safety is always upended by people screaming about their civil liberties being violated. OMG I got asked 3 questions! Do you also get offended if someone asks you for your telephone number, or address?

 

[gigapet]

Stop. Ask the officer if you are being detained or if you are free to go. Some thing along the lines of "Officer I know you are trying to do your job but I am in a hurry, am I being detained or am I free to go? " The officer will likely allow you to leave unless you are blatently violating a law in that case he will arrest you or issue fine.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Then we'll have asshats like you complaining about the lack of security when we get owned again by a terrorist

Giving up rights does not increase our security; it does the opposite. The limitations on government power written in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights (along with similar documents elsewhere) were designed to ensure the security of the people. Unchecked police and government power is a security threat just as dangerous as unchecked terrorism.

We have to evaluate security measures in terms of both their effectiveness and their costs, both monetary and in terms of civil liberties, convenience, privacy, and greater vulnerability to other threats. If you think the costs of security measures don't matter, what about grounding all civilian aircraft in the US permanently to prevent another 9/11? It's an effective solution, but the costs are too high for anyone to consider it. You could also wear a bulletproof vest everywhere you go to enhance your security, but almost no one thinks that convenience tradeoff is worthwhile.

We have a finite amount of money and freedoms, so we have to be smart about our security choices.

That was just a general blanket statement. Like you said - there's a tradeoff.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: lancestorm
There was no randomness. It was every single car. It's Bullsh*t.

oh my god. shut up.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Sounds like some one's "friend" got caught saucing behind the wheel to me.

My ass. He doesn't drink.

I'm just pissed about the whole situation. These things should NOT be happening in America. Goodbye America, welcome Russia!

You want to leave a forwarding address for your mail?

Instead of being pissed at the police you and your friend should be grateful that
they do have random checkpoints for DUI from time to time. The drunk driver
they may find with these checkpoints (and they do catch plenty) might have possibly
crashed into a family member or someone you know.

Is a few minutes of inconvience worth that?

Grateful? Kiss it buddy. You are buying into it. This is crazy. This is not America. It is guilty until you prove your innocence and that is NOT RIGHT! Put out more patrols and take care of the weaving cars or irradically driven vehicles.

A) This belongs in P&N.

B) Die.

C) You're an idiot.

D) STFU

E) Get over it. You obviously haven't ever known anyone hit by a drunk driver. I have one friend that basically lost a year of his life because of a drunk driver. He's lucky because he eventually made a full recovery. Another friend of mine can barely talk and will be in a wheelchair the rest of his life.

You're obviously young and still believe that this country owes you something. You still believe all those things you hear about how the cops can't pull you over if they lose sight of you for x seconds or that the cops can't follow you for x turns or it's considered excessive.

The fact is, unless the cops discriminate between one driver or another based on race, sex, religion, etc., it's totally legal. I appreciate the cops for doing this. It's better than wasting their time enforcing speed limit laws that do nothing to benefit the community.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Then we'll have asshats like you complaining about the lack of security when we get owned again by a terrorist

Giving up rights does not increase our security; it does the opposite. The limitations on government power written in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights (along with similar documents elsewhere) were designed to ensure the security of the people. Unchecked police and government power is a security threat just as dangerous as unchecked terrorism.

We have to evaluate security measures in terms of both their effectiveness and their costs, both monetary and in terms of civil liberties, convenience, privacy, and greater vulnerability to other threats. If you think the costs of security measures don't matter, what about grounding all civilian aircraft in the US permanently to prevent another 9/11? It's an effective solution, but the costs are too high for anyone to consider it. You could also wear a bulletproof vest everywhere you go to enhance your security, but almost no one thinks that convenience tradeoff is worthwhile.

We have a finite amount of money and freedoms, so we have to be smart about our security choices.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE PATRIOT ACT!!!!

It's about an asshat that was inconvenienced for 3 minutes of his life and can't deal with it.

I would also like to mention that they usually announce those ahead of time. The reason is because they're not there to CATCH drunk drivers as much as they're there to DISCOURAGE drunk drivers. If it keeps one family from getting mowed down, it's worth it.

 

[rh71]

god, I hate when the public thinks the gov't/state is spying on them at every turn. These authority figures are doing their job - to protect the avg. joe from those who MAY BE breaking the law. Do you want a drunk driving next to you ? So what if these stops / checks / pat-downs take a minute of your time ? If you're not guilty, you'll be on your way knowing that someone who IS breaking the law will be more likely to get caught. At least think of your family / wife / kids out on the road who may be affected. The only time you have a right to bitch is if one of them harrasses you even after finding you clean.

EDIT>>> yeah 30 minutes delay (if it was that much) is a bitch ... I have a hard enough time with regular traffic.

 

[lancestorm]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: lancestorm

This is free America, where in law we are innocent until proven guilty. With the issue we are discussing, this is not the case. It is prove yourself innocent, or we will arrest you. That is absolutely absurd, appalling, and a disgrace to our country's original rights.

I am offended by you calling me an asshat. I'm an American who wants my free rights and I feel that even though it was upheld by S. C., that doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't be challenged again!

Will I complain about the lack of security if another terrorist attack occurs? No. I think the gov't is doing a good job with what they have. But don't get me started with that. You know, the fact that our own gov't funded and helped the same terrorists that attacked us and were actually part of some of the bombings on American soil.

If the government is doing a good job with what they have, why are you complaining about a simple roadblock? They're not doing a search of their car. They're saying:

"Good evening sir. Have you been drinking? No? Ok well have a good holiday weekend"

The pursuit of safety is always upended by people screaming about their civil liberties being violated. OMG I got asked 3 questions! Do you also get offended if someone asks you for your telephone number, or address?

How can line taps and intelligence against terrorists equate to a DUI roadblock?

It is not a "simple roadblock." It is holding me, a completely innocent United States citizen, from reaching my destination sooner. I feel it is an infringement on my free rights because I am being stopped by a law enforcement officer when no law was violated by myself.

Their pursuit is not safety. It is all about taking the law and twisting it, and hoping to get a larger number of offenders in the least amount of time and resources possible. It is called efficiency and it done at our own expense of freedom. Don't get me wrong, it does help to remove the offenders from the road. Safety comes as a side-benefit but fails to supercede the much bigger problem of infringement of rights of individuals in my opinion.

 

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[jjones]

Originally posted by: Emveach
When they have them in Ohio, you are told where the checkpoints will be and what time they will be running. If you are sober, you can remember to avoid them. Most of the time its the idiot drunks that still drive through them and think they can "beat the system". I'm glad to see them doing it, and support the police fully in keeping drunk drivers off the road.

This is the way it should be. The public should be notified.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: lancestorm

This is free America, where in law we are innocent until proven guilty. With the issue we are discussing, this is not the case. It is prove yourself innocent, or we will arrest you. That is absolutely absurd, appalling, and a disgrace to our country's original rights.

I am offended by you calling me an asshat. I'm an American who wants my free rights and I feel that even though it was upheld by S. C., that doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't be challenged again!

Will I complain about the lack of security if another terrorist attack occurs? No. I think the gov't is doing a good job with what they have. But don't get me started with that. You know, the fact that our own gov't funded and helped the same terrorists that attacked us and were actually part of some of the bombings on American soil.

If the government is doing a good job with what they have, why are you complaining about a simple roadblock? They're not doing a search of their car. They're saying:

"Good evening sir. Have you been drinking? No? Ok well have a good holiday weekend"

The pursuit of safety is always upended by people screaming about their civil liberties being violated. OMG I got asked 3 questions! Do you also get offended if someone asks you for your telephone number, or address?

How can line taps and intelligence against terrorists equate to a DUI roadblock?

It is not a "simple roadblock." It is holding me, a completely innocent United States citizen, from reaching my destination sooner. I feel it is an infringement on my free rights because I am being stopped by a law enforcement officer when no law was violated by myself.

Their pursuit is not safety. It is all about taking the law and twisting it, and hoping to get a larger number of offenders in the least amount of time and resources possible. It is called efficiency and it done at our own expense of freedom. Don't get me wrong, it does help to remove the offenders from the road. Safety comes as a side-benefit but fails to supercede the much bigger problem of infringement of rights of individuals in my opinion.

See my above post, then STFU!

 

[lancestorm]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: lancestorm

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Sounds like some one's "friend" got caught saucing behind the wheel to me.

My ass. He doesn't drink.

I'm just pissed about the whole situation. These things should NOT be happening in America. Goodbye America, welcome Russia!

You want to leave a forwarding address for your mail?

Instead of being pissed at the police you and your friend should be grateful that
they do have random checkpoints for DUI from time to time. The drunk driver
they may find with these checkpoints (and they do catch plenty) might have possibly
crashed into a family member or someone you know.

Is a few minutes of inconvience worth that?

Grateful? Kiss it buddy. You are buying into it. This is crazy. This is not America. It is guilty until you prove your innocence and that is NOT RIGHT! Put out more patrols and take care of the weaving cars or irradically driven vehicles.

A) This belongs in P&N.

B) Die.

C) You're an idiot.

D) STFU

E) You're obviously young and still believe that this country owes you something.

1. Wait a minute, who is the young immature one here?
2. I asked kindly to refrain from calling names, yet you still refer to me as asshat. How mature again.
3. To dispute your statement in E: This country owes me nothing. I even proved that *I* owe the country something in this thread, so know your role:

 

[lancestorm]

Originally posted by: rh71
god, I hate when the public thinks the gov't/state is spying on them at every turn.

...
If you're not guilty, you'll be on your way knowing that someone who IS breaking the law will be more likely to get caught.

1. They are. And it is going to get worse. Microchips? Already happening. Picture, voice, eye, and fingerprint scanning? They are watching and they are controlling. But I don't want to get off topic from this thread...


2. Your second part that I have quoted is what bothers me more than anything. "If you're not guilty".... ::throws hands in air:: there you are, giving up your rights and not even caring!