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Went to a friends police acadamy graduation.

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Originally posted by: kevnich2
Yes, another big misinterpretation of separation of church and state. What the heck is wrong with praying for protection. Unless it was forced upon you, shut up. Jeez, this country was founded by religious men and women who wanted a place to come to escape religious persecution and people like you are the root of the cause of that. They didn't force you to participate so shut up. Just because they were praying they weren't forcing Christianity or any other religion upon you. I think the whole point of people who come out and say crap like this is just to give themselves something to complain about. Go back to any other country so they can force their own views upon you and leave us alone.
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I'm pretty sure history doesn't suggest that militant atheists are the root cause of people fleeing to the new world to escape religious persecution.

To be honest your own viewpoint is quite discriminatory. If you don't like it leave, is pretty much the response that even the most autocratic nations will give.
 
FYI, congress also opens with a prayer, and Obama will have his hand on a Bible at his inauguration. :Q
 
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Yeah, it's technically illegal, but no one's gonna stop them because that's not politically correct.
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How is it illegal? 😕
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Ever heard of separation of church and state? Despite what right wing blowhards and preachers say, it's the law as interpreted by the Supreme Court, just like the right to bear arms exists for individuals, despite the Constitution defining it only for militias.

http://www.infidels.org/librar...h-state/decisions.html
 
Free exercise and establishment clauses -- look them up, realize how wrong you are.

Or better yet, maybe the mods could just ban this troll (again).
 
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Free exercise and establishment clauses -- look them up, realize how wrong you are.

Or better yet, maybe the mods could just ban this troll (again).
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State endorsement and sponsorship of religion is not the same as free exercise.
 
Per the previous post, read the 1st Amendment to the Constitution. The only legal separation of church and state prohibits Congress (and state legislatures, via the 14th Amendment) from passing laws that unfairly benefit or prohibit any particular religion.
 
Originally posted by: ICRS
What the hell happen to separation of church and state. They had one of the new graduates (police officer) come to the stage and lead everyone in a prayer. Asking god to protect them and shit. I was disgusted. This a government entity, why are they holding a prayer for. Really what happen to separation of church and state.
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I bet you were so upset and disgusted that you walked out right?

 
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Yeah, it's technically illegal, but no one's gonna stop them because that's not politically correct.
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How is it illegal? 😕
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Ever heard of separation of church and state? Despite what right wing blowhards and preachers say, it's the law as interpreted by the Supreme Court, just like the right to be arms exists for individuals, despite the Constitution defining it only for militias.

http://www.infidels.org/librar...h-state/decisions.html
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Did you read any of those cases? None of them apply here.

Did you read any of the responses in this post? Many of the people here have heard of separation of church and state. The difference being we actually understand what it means. You should look up a few posts at my previous post and go and read the Wikipedia article on it. It should bring you up to speed on the meaning...
 
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Yeah, it's technically illegal, but no one's gonna stop them because that's not politically correct.
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How is it illegal? 😕
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Ever heard of separation of church and state? Despite what right wing blowhards and preachers say, it's the law as interpreted by the Supreme Court, just like the right to be arms exists for individuals, despite the Constitution defining it only for militias.

http://www.infidels.org/librar...h-state/decisions.html
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you don't understand the notion do you?
 
Originally posted by: tranceport
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Yeah, it's technically illegal, but no one's gonna stop them because that's not politically correct.
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How is it illegal? 😕
Click to expand...

Ever heard of separation of church and state? Despite what right wing blowhards and preachers say, it's the law as interpreted by the Supreme Court, just like the right to be arms exists for individuals, despite the Constitution defining it only for militias.

http://www.infidels.org/librar...h-state/decisions.html
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Did you read any of those cases? None of them apply here.

Did you read any of the responses in this post? Many of the people here have heard of separation of church and state. The difference being we actually understand what it means. You should look up a few posts at my previous post and go and read the Wikipedia article on it. It should bring you up to speed on the meaning...
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You're not distinguishing between the actual meaning of separation of church and state, and what the Establishment Clause literally says. Going by your interpretation, school sponsored prayer would be legal, but it's not http://www.religioustolerance.org/ps_pra8.htm

An official prayer at a police academy graduation constitutes public endorsement of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism since it almost definitely references "God".
 
Originally posted by: ICRS
What the hell happen to separation of church and state. They had one of the new graduates (police officer) come to the stage and lead everyone in a prayer. Asking god to protect them and shit. I was disgusted. This a government entity, why are they holding a prayer for. Really what happen to separation of church and state.
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Define "lead in prayer". If you were expected to chant along => violation. If you merely heard a prayer => no violation.

Was the speaker coerced? If so => violation. If not => no violation.

Now for the tricky part. Was the speaker on the public clock at the time, that is, was the speaker being paid by the taxpayers to lead a prayer? If so, was the speaker instructed as to the nature of the prayer? If yes on both counts then => violation. If on the clock but not coached, there might be a violation but it isn't clear. You'll have to sue to find out.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
What's wrong with praying? Or are you one of this hitler people that want to kill Christians and burn down churches? Can you at least wait till after the rapture for that please?
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I thought Hitler hated the Jews. 😕
 
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: tranceport
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: Xanis
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Yeah, it's technically illegal, but no one's gonna stop them because that's not politically correct.
Click to expand...

How is it illegal? 😕
Click to expand...

Ever heard of separation of church and state? Despite what right wing blowhards and preachers say, it's the law as interpreted by the Supreme Court, just like the right to be arms exists for individuals, despite the Constitution defining it only for militias.

http://www.infidels.org/librar...h-state/decisions.html
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Did you read any of those cases? None of them apply here.

Did you read any of the responses in this post? Many of the people here have heard of separation of church and state. The difference being we actually understand what it means. You should look up a few posts at my previous post and go and read the Wikipedia article on it. It should bring you up to speed on the meaning...
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You're not distinguishing between the actual meaning of separation of church and state, and what the Establishment Clause literally says. Going by your interpretation, school sponsored prayer would be legal, but it's not http://www.religioustolerance.org/ps_pra8.htm
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The "actual" meaning of separation of church and state doesn't matter -- it's just a phrase that is erroneously used when discussing this issue. All the Constitution explicitly says is that the government may not establish or prevent the free exercise of a religion. As long as something does not violate these two clauses, it is constitutional.
 
Oh Entity that might or might not exist, who might or might not be sentient, who might, as absurd as it sounds, monitor and act upon the whining of a thousand generation of humans, hear my plea! Free CPA from all further disgust. Thank you.
 
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