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Well will you look at that, Republicans just might be compromising.

"“It has to be measurable, objective metrics so we know the border is secure and so that folks feel that it’s attainable and we can agree that we have a secure border,” Mr. Hoeven said. “We’re trying to come up with something where we can get Republicans and Democrats to agree on.”

Democrats, however, still objected to the 90 percent trigger linking border security to a pathway to citizenship, and on Wednesday, Mr. Corker said they had “come up with a solution.”

According to aides with knowledge of the discussions, the Republicans agreed to make the 90 percent figure a goal rather than a requirement, in exchange for a detailed border security plan that lays out serious assurances of both manpower and resources at the southern border."

Lets just translate this to Reality speak: We need to make it look like we're actually doing something about the illegal invasion but we both know in Reality we won't be.

Scream laugh worthy in the predictability of Politician to come up with complete BS legislation...

Chuck
 
They may be compromising, but we all know that the decision to enforce the law lies with the President. That's going to be a big hurdle for the rest of the GOP to get over.
 
chucky2 said:
"“It has to be measurable, objective metrics so we know the border is secure and so that folks feel that it’s attainable and we can agree that we have a secure border,” Mr. Hoeven said. “We’re trying to come up with something where we can get Republicans and Democrats to agree on.”

Democrats, however, still objected to the 90 percent trigger linking border security to a pathway to citizenship, and on Wednesday, Mr. Corker said they had “come up with a solution.”

According to aides with knowledge of the discussions, the Republicans agreed to make the 90 percent figure a goal rather than a requirement, in exchange for a detailed border security plan that lays out serious assurances of both manpower and resources at the southern border."

Lets just translate this to Reality speak: We need to make it look like we're actually doing something about the illegal invasion but we both know in Reality we won't be.

Scream laugh worthy in the predictability of Politician to come up with complete BS legislation...

Chuck
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The proposed bill would double border securty personnel, at a cost of $30 billion. I fail to see how that is merely making it look like they're doing something about it.
 
sixone said:
They may be compromising, but we all know that the decision to enforce the law lies with the President. That's going to be a big hurdle for the rest of the GOP to get over.
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Since Obama deports way more aliens than Bush that shouldn't be an issue.
 
sixone said:
They may be compromising, but we all know that the decision to enforce the law lies with the President. That's going to be a big hurdle for the rest of the GOP to get over.
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The bill would double border security personnel and fund the building of 700 miles of additional fencing. None of that depends on the POTUS "enforcing the law." We're talking about erecting physical barriers and putting more cops on the border.
 
sixone said:
We're already seeing selective enforcement via executive order. More border agents and more fences aren't going to change that.
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No, but it will stem the flow across the border. This is a compromise bill that provides amnesty in exchange for border security. If the existing population of illegals is granted amnesty, and the border is locked down, I fail to see the relevance of what you call "selective enforcement." Border cops and walls are physical barriers. They do not depend on deportation policy. And if those already here are given amnesty, deportation is only relevant with regard to the smaller numbers who continue to arrive. Since the current administration is deporting more people than the previous administration, I'm thinking this is not a major concern.
 
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this compromise is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Until there is real border security, we should not be legalizing the illegals.

Once again we are putting the carriage in front of the horse. When will you idiots figure it out.
 
michal1980 said:
this compromise is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Until there is real border security, we should not be legalizing the illegals.

Once again we are putting the carriage in front of the horse. When will you idiots figure it out.
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Can you define "real border security"?
 
michal1980 said:
this compromise is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Until there is real border security, we should not be legalizing the illegals.

Once again we are putting the carriage in front of the horse. When will you idiots figure it out.
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We should not be legalizing illegals period.
 
woolfe9998 said:
No, but it will stem the flow across the border. This is a compromise bill that provides amnesty in exchange for border security. If the existing population of illegals is granted amnesty, and the border is locked down, I fail to see the relevance of what you call "selective enforcement." Border cops and walls are physical barriers. They do not depend on deportation policy. And if those already here are given amnesty, deportation is only relevant with regard to the smaller numbers who continue to arrive. Since the current administration is deporting more people than the previous administration, I'm thinking this is not a major concern.
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We've already had several "compromise bills" that claimed that they would close the border. None of them are getting the job done, which is why we "need" this new bill.

This one won't be any more relevant than the ones that went before.
 
This bill will probably be used to try to keep us in and to increase the national debt.

It's a shame that the Republicans' answer to the problem with illegal aliens is to increase the size of the govt rather than decrease it.
 
sunzt said:
Can you define "real border security"?
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Of course not, the calls for a "secure" border are an intentionally impossible standard so that Republicans can pretend to be anything but xenophobic and (quite reasonably) afraid of not getting the votes of citizens they've ritually shat upon for years and years. They don't want to stop being xenophobic and shitting on immigrants, and for some reason GOP "outreach" and messaging efforts like having a Cuban senator shit on immigrants instead of white senators don't seem to be making much headway, so they'd rather simply let the serious problems facing America fester, rather than doing their jobs and suggesting a real life solution.

It actually is a lot like health care. Everyone knows it was/is completely broken, but it's easier to act like any proposed solutions are Satan's vilest plan rather than provide an actual solution. No one thinks Obamacare is anything like ideal, but it's better than how things were before, and there's literally no other alternative on the table (except something sane like government-option health care like the rest of the civilized world has). No one thinks amnesty for illegals is an ideal solution, but we can't just whine away the problem of having hard-working, tax-paying immigrants with no path to citizenship and not under the protection of America's laws and institutions.

Anarchist420 said:
This bill will probably be used to try to keep us in and to increase the national debt.

It's a shame that the Republicans' answer to the problem with illegal aliens is to increase the size of the govt rather than decrease it.
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The CBO says it will substantially reduce the budget deficit.

sixone said:
We've already had several "compromise bills" that claimed that they would close the border. None of them are getting the job done, which is why we "need" this new bill.

This one won't be any more relevant than the ones that went before.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...l-immigration-has-dropped-sharply-since-2007/
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I can't wait for them to pass this bill so they can take my biometrics and add them to the database!
 
woolfe9998 said:
The proposed bill would double border securty personnel, at a cost of $30 billion. I fail to see how that is merely making it look like they're doing something about it.
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Are you being funny here or did you actually just mean what you wrote? I'm being serious, I can't tell and I'd like to know before I respond to you.
 
woolfe9998 said:
The bill would double border security personnel and fund the building of 700 miles of additional fencing. None of that depends on the POTUS "enforcing the law." We're talking about erecting physical barriers and putting more cops on the border.
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The border fencing was funded, and earmarked years ago, and still hasn't been completed nearly as was laid out. So now we're going to re-fund it????
 
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