Well said son

[AMDZen]

That is all

/promptly escapes back to ATOT

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Sorry, did I miss the part where ERs across the land started demanding proof of health insurance or ability to pay before seeing a patient?

As with almost all else that's politically motivated, the lynchpin of the argument is a lie.

 

[Red Dawn]

Sorry, did I miss the part where ERs across the land started demanding proof of health insurance or ability to pay before seeing a patient?

As with almost all else that's politically motivated, the lynchpin of the argument is a lie.

The Far Right were upset with the Bush Administration doing all those things? I recall them defending them with the uptmost zeal.

 

[Fear No Evil]

I realize the OP is just trolling against the Tea Party people, but how many of those things have either been continued or expanded under Black Bush?

No commentary, OP admitting being a troll and leaving, lock it up?

 

[Red Dawn]

I realize the OP is just trolling against the Tea Party people, but how many of those things have either been continued or expanded under Black Bush?

You should be happy with Obama then.

No commentary, OP admitting being a troll and leaving, lock it up?

You should report it to the Rat's Nest

 

[Genx87]

The Far Right were upset with the Bush Administration doing all those things? I recall them defending them with the uptmost zeal.

Probably as upset as the left is right now supporting the same things under Obama. Now that we settled that. What should we do about this mess? Apparently the OP is fine with continuing the train wreck. What say you?

 

[JSt0rm]

Sorry, did I miss the part where ERs across the land started demanding proof of health insurance or ability to pay before seeing a patient?

As with almost all else that's politically motivated, the lynchpin of the argument is a lie.

Why should emergency rooms of hospitals and thereby people who have insurance who also use hospitals be burdened with random numbers and costs of uninsured people? Hmmm? Oh I see your argument is total shit.

 

[AMDZen]

I realize the OP is just trolling against the Tea Party people, but how many of those things have either been continued or expanded under Black Bush?

No commentary, OP admitting being a troll and leaving, lock it up?

Trolling? Never said that. Its funny stuff I don't care who you are. I would have posted it to ATOT but they would have cried that it belonged here - and thusly, I posted it here.

Escaping back to ATOT was just to escape the hellfire this subforum brings, nothing about trolling or admitting to such.

 

[waggy]

The Far Right were upset with the Bush Administration doing all those things? I recall them defending them with the uptmost zeal.

perhaps not the far right but many were. the OP is a lie and a troll thread with no commentary. it should be locked.

either way Obama is contiinuing the bullshit and it should be stopped. the dems lack of commentary says a lot.

 

[AMDZen]

Probably as upset as the left is right now supporting the same things under Obama. Now that we settled that. What should we do about this mess? Apparently the OP is fine with continuing the train wreck. What say you?

I'm not demo or repub, nor did I ever present my case for being either. Normal people like myself are unhappy with Obama as well. Not nearly as much as Bush though.

The difference is that demo friends of mine admit to the democratic party's failings on a regular basis. But a lot of die hard repub's refuse to accept that Bush ever did anything wrong.

 

[Red Dawn]

Probably as upset as the left is right now supporting the same things under Obama. Now that we settled that. What should we do about this mess? Apparently the OP is fine with continuing the train wreck. What say you?

I'd pull out of both Iraq and Afghanistan, throw Cheney in Prison, Close Gitmo and send the prisoners to a prison in Texas near Bush's Home and do away with the Patriot Act. The rest isn't being continued under Obama.

 

[AMDZen]

perhaps not the far right but many were. the OP is a lie and a troll thread with no commentary. it should be locked.

either way Obama is contiinuing the bullshit and it should be stopped. the dems lack of commentary says a lot.

Wrong. I posted "that is all" because the OP spoke for itself.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I'd pull out of both Iraq and Afghanistan, throw Cheney in Prison, Close Gitmo and send the prisoners to a prison in Texas near Bush's Home and do away with the Patriot Act. The rest isn't being continued under Obama.

I wouldn't throw Cheney into prison. I would just deport him to Iraq.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Oh I see your argument is total shit.

My point is that saying people can't see a doctor unless they can afford it is a lie.

 

[Fear No Evil]

I'd pull out of both Iraq and Afghanistan, throw Cheney in Prison, Close Gitmo and send the prisoners to a prison in Texas near Bush's Home and do away with the Patriot Act. The rest isn't being continued under Obama.

What do you propose we do about the 15 trillion dollar deficit? THAT is certainly continuing under Obama. I don't think wiretapping rules have changed under Obama? Obama didn't let a city drown he let the entire Gulf Coast drown in oil while he fumbled around and didn't even bother to meet with BP leadership.

 

[Jhhnn]

Quick! Look over there!

The OP isn't about Obama, but rather about the team spirit of Righties- whatever their guy does, it's A-OK! particularly when raving about the terrarist boogeyman, and whenever the other guy does anything at all, it's a disaster.

Emergency rooms are a ridiculously expensive way to deliver care to non-emergency patients, and ridiculously expensive under any circumstances for working people who have no health insurance. Only the indigent escape payment. Consequently, more real emergencies occur, simply because people don't seek treatment, but rather try to just tough it out.

Our healthcare system is a mess, thanks to unmitigated greed, and anybody with the sense that God gave to bacteria needs to acknowledge that.

 

[JSt0rm]

My point is that saying people can't see a doctor unless they can afford it is a lie.

but thats the bulk of the problem. You send the sickest people into the most costly and inefficient system we could devise. Emergency rooms are set up for emergencies not for people with no healthcare. The very concept of an emergency means costs will be higher.

Do you not think there is a problem here? I know obamacare isn't the best thing since sliced bread but at least it is an attempt to get this shit in order. More then can say for medicare part D republican bullshit.

I think you are being dishonest with yourself if you think the solution is what we have now. And if you dont think that what we have now will work in the long run then why shouldnt we try something. The government will be frozen to hell; we are lucky something happened regarding this issue.

 

[thraashman]

What do you propose we do about the 15 trillion dollar deficit? THAT is certainly continuing under Obama. I don't think wiretapping rules have changed under Obama? Obama didn't let a city drown he let the entire Gulf Coast drown in oil while he fumbled around and didn't even bother to meet with BP leadership.

While spending has increased due to trying to fix a nearly collapsed economy (caused by laissez faire practices!), a significant amount of the increase in the deficit has been because of a loss of revnue due to a down economy, and insistence by the right to continue to cut revenue. The wire tapping rules indeed have changed minorly because Congress decided to update them to allow most of what Bush did, this personally infuriates me and most of the left. I feel it directly violates the Bill of Rights and should be stopped. But now there's a law saying it doesn't, I just feel it needs to be properly challenged and declared unconsitutional so it can stop. What Bush did with the wiretapping there is no question was unconstitutional and he should have been prosecuted. I find the arguments from the right about BP oil spill hilarious because it was the same far right that screamed that BP created the mess and should have to fix it until their first attempt failed then they wanted the government to step in but kept yelling the government shouldn't try to dictate what private companies should do but should take over but shouldn't take over private companies.... you see how crazy that all sounds? All that shit was said by the right during the BP oil spill. Unfortunately, the government literally couldn't have done it any faster than BP. And, funny enough, the culture of derugulation of the right is largely to blaim for the accident. Even now when Obama wanted to review safety and regulation and update, the right screamed, moaned, and did everything they could to block it. Same as how when Obama wanted to improve consumer protections and the right is blocking it, and tried to improve financial regulations to keep another financial melt down from happening and the right blocked it.

Got anything else? Because so far the only thing you said that was valid was the wiretapping, which I do have serious problems with Obama because of. Everything else you bitched about was bullshit.

 

[Fear No Evil]

The OP isn't about Obama, but rather about the team spirit of Righties- whatever their guy does, it's A-OK! particularly when raving about the terrarist boogeyman, and whenever the other guy does anything at all, it's a disaster.

Emergency rooms are a ridiculously expensive way to deliver care to non-emergency patients, and ridiculously expensive under any circumstances for working people who have no health insurance. Only the indigent escape payment. Consequently, more real emergencies occur, simply because people don't seek treatment, but rather try to just tough it out.

Our healthcare system is a mess, thanks to unmitigated greed, and anybody with the sense that God gave to bacteria needs to acknowledge that.

And Obamacare is basically doing nothing to resolve those problem. People are getting tired of hearing the But Bush excuse.

Would you tell a woman who is being abused that she has no right to complain and that she was the cause of the problem because she allowed herself to get beat and didn't say anything for years?

FACT is many of those same problems have been continued or made worse under Obama. Either that, or they aren't really problems.. then why SHOULD have the Republicans complained?

 

[Gigantopithecus]

I think you are being dishonest with yourself if you think the solution is what we have now.

I completely agree with you - forcing (essentially) people to ERs is absolutely not the best solution. It's not even a good solution. I never said it was. I simply pointed out that the repeated claim that you can't see a doctor unless you can afford one is a flat-out lie. It's propaganda used to make an argument that is entirely valid sans propaganda. Constructing an argument on lies makes sense if your argument is shit. Constructing an argument with lies when you don't even need to is just plain stupid, and it's exactly the type of rhetoric non-sense that impedes actual progress on actual issues.

 

[Fear No Evil]

While spending has increased due to trying to fix a nearly collapsed economy (caused by laissez faire practices!), a significant amount of the increase in the deficit has been because of a loss of revnue due to a down economy, and insistence by the right to continue to cut revenue. The wire tapping rules indeed have changed minorly because Congress decided to update them to allow most of what Bush did, this personally infuriates me and most of the left. I feel it directly violates the Bill of Rights and should be stopped. But now there's a law saying it doesn't, I just feel it needs to be properly challenged and declared unconsitutional so it can stop. What Bush did with the wiretapping there is no question was unconstitutional and he should have been prosecuted. I find the arguments from the right about BP oil spill hilarious because it was the same far right that screamed that BP created the mess and should have to fix it until their first attempt failed then they wanted the government to step in but kept yelling the government shouldn't try to dictate what private companies should do but should take over but shouldn't take over private companies.... you see how crazy that all sounds? All that shit was said by the right during the BP oil spill. Unfortunately, the government literally couldn't have done it any faster than BP. And, funny enough, the culture of derugulation of the right is largely to blaim for the accident. Even now when Obama wanted to review safety and regulation and update, the right screamed, moaned, and did everything they could to block it. Same as how when Obama wanted to improve consumer protections and the right is blocking it, and tried to improve financial regulations to keep another financial melt down from happening and the right blocked it.

Got anything else? Because so far the only thing you said that was valid was the wiretapping, which I do have serious problems with Obama because of. Everything else you bitched about was bullshit.

Paragraphs? Use them?

What about the Patriot Act? What about Gitmo not being closed? What about launching another military action in Libya? What about Obamacare doing nothing to solve the problems of our medical system? What about Obama refusing to order the justice department to prosecute Bush's crimes?

Lets turn your own argument about BP right back around on you. Liberals and Democrats always say government knows best. They should control what we eat, our healthcare, our safety, the environment, etc. Yet when a major oil disaster happens in the Gulf spewing massive amounts of pollution into the Gulf Obama can't even be bothered to pick up the phone and make a call to the CEO of that company? See how crazy that sounds?

We're buried in regulations. What did they do to stop the housing bubble/crisis? What did they do to prevent the oil spill in the gulf? What did it do to stop banks from failing? We've put all sorts of accounting regulations in place like Sarbanes Oxley which did nothing to help us. So I simply don't buy the notion that Obama calling for more regulation is going to do a damn thing.

Besides, all these regulations have a cost. I love your specious argument of 'Obama wanted to pass financial regulations to prevent another meltdown' and the right voted it down'. What a load of BULLSHIT. What is the impact of Obama's financial regulations? In your world I guess Obama could just pass a law mandating that unicorn farts be used to power all vehicles and it just magically happens?

 

[JSt0rm]

So then you agree that its redunculous that the teaparty would get mad over reforming this system. The healthcare bill was a compromise. Us commie pinko bastard liberals wanted uhc and you republican neocon war machine conservatives wanted blood in the streets medical care for the rich only.

Fact is if you dont have medical insurance and work (a lot of people) you will only be able to see a emergency room doctor. You will not be able to get preventative care (costs less) or checkups.

 

[ProfJohn]

I didn't realize the right to see a doctor had been taken away...

Thank god Obama gave me that right back.

 

[JSt0rm]

I didn't realize the right to see a doctor had been taken away...

Thank god Obama gave me that right back.

You know what the issue is you simple little fuck. Ignoring his entire post because you find fault with one line is total idiocy.

 

[Jaskalas]

The healthcare bill was a compromise.

People go to hell for making deals with the devil. Maybe you should stand on principle and burn the house down before allowing compromise to corrupt everything you hold dear.

Us commie pinko bastard liberals wanted uhc

Would that be deficit neutral?

and you republican neocon war machine conservatives wanted blood in the streets medical care for the rich only.

You grow government and we will fight you.