Well Nancy the honeymoon might be over...

[UNCjigga]

I will say my Pelosi fears are confirmed
She’s being shit on for something dumb and offers no comeback

Begun, the Hillaryfication has.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I know, but that doesn't change the practical reality: you either vote Democrat in 2020 or Trump keeps wrecking the country. I'd like better leadership from the Dems right now, but they're literally the only hope the US has right now.

This become a chicken or egg discussion. If the Republican and Democrat leadership were better, would there even be a Trump? Also, can mediocre leadership truly defeat him? If he somehow manages to survive the Mueller and House investigations, what then?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Begun, the Hillaryfication has.

The problem with triangulation is that it becomes impossible to defend a position that doesn’t truly exist.

 

[feralkid]

She is 82 right? What kind of leverage do you think they hold over her?

She's 78, but I believe your point stands.

 

[Jhhnn]

This become a chicken or egg discussion. If the Republican and Democrat leadership were better, would there even be a Trump? Also, can mediocre leadership truly defeat him? If he somehow manages to survive the Mueller and House investigations, what then?

Both Sides!

 

[Commodus]

This become a chicken or egg discussion. If the Republican and Democrat leadership were better, would there even be a Trump? Also, can mediocre leadership truly defeat him? If he somehow manages to survive the Mueller and House investigations, what then?

If there were better Democrat leadership, he'd still be around because we've seen that existing Republicans will defend him at all costs. If there were better Republican leadership, not necessarily... maybe you'd get a Watergate-era party that would smartly realize it was better to impeach the President than to look complicit.

And at this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats only needed mediocre leadership to win in 2020. Trump is managing to alienate even the people who picked him purely for economic reasons (they were misguided from the start, but you get the idea). Barring a surprise turnaround, the Dems may win simply because Trump messed things up that badly.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Both Sides!

You forgot the #. Also, you didn’t answer the question. You can only avoid it for so long.

 

[yllus]

I will say my Pelosi fears are confirmed
She’s being shit on for something dumb and offers no comeback

I think that we care more about this silly zero-sum game of insults and if we punched back or not than Ms. Pelosi does. She wants to get shit done and is going to let this be a brief burst of tizzy on the Internet knowing it'll be forgotten in about two minutes.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I think that we care more about this silly zero-sum game of insults and if we punched back or not than Ms. Pelosi does. She wants to get shit done and is going to let this be a brief burst of tizzy on the Internet knowing it'll be forgotten in about two minutes.

Then another thing will come up and another and another.
Protecting your reputation is critical.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yeh, bothsides & shit.

Yeah, YOUR SIDE IS WORSE THAN MINE NENER NENER & shit.

Even though no one declared to be on the opposing side...

 

[Jhhnn]

You forgot the #. Also, you didn’t answer the question. You can only avoid it for so long.

Trump is the product of minds bent by decades of GOP/ Russian disinformation & agitprop. It's not a phenomenon built on rationality at all. His voters have been thinking with the head on their dick rather than the head on their shoulders since Gingrich, at least. "Better" Democrats won't change that one bit.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, YOUR SIDE IS WORSE THAN MINE NENER NENER & shit.

Even though no one declared to be on the opposing side...

Libs didn't make Trump President. That was delusional conservatives, last time I checked. They got all frothed up & lost their fucking marbles on Nov 8, 2016, another day that will live in infamy. Kinda like 62M people getting drunk, snurfling too much crystal meth & shooting up the casa with the 12 gauge. Felt great at the time, I'm sure.

 

[Jaskalas]

So when the police and the court system treat people of color differently than white people, according to actual statistics, its your opinion that the obvious racial factor should be ignored? Ignoring the obvious seems like a pretty horrible way to fix systemic issues.

A horrible way to fix systemic issues is to make them partisan. To make them group and identity based. Where opposition rises from merely being excluded from said group. Where a problem and solution is claimed by only 12% of the population. If you want something to stick, a meaningful fix, you'll raise support through inclusiveness. By building a coalition of people who want police reform to reduce the incidents of violent confrontations for all people.

One may speak to #BLM for their plight, but one must also sell the issue to the general public in a broader way.

 

[Jaskalas]

I will say my Pelosi fears are confirmed
She’s being shit on for something dumb and offers no comeback

What an odd statement. I'd simply assume the "shit" has not reached her attention. Thus far, it is beneath her.

The thing to fear about Pelosi is her age. It has left her more vulnerable, less able to connect to people. But I would say her heart is in the right place. Is that fitting for a leadership position? Well, I'd respond by saying I hope we have many more people worthy of filling Pelosi's shoes. That the wellspring of worthiness does not begin and end at any individual. We need a worthy party, not just a worthy person.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What an odd statement. I'd simply assume the "shit" has not reached her attention. Thus far, it is beneath her.

The thing to fear about Pelosi is her age. It has left her more vulnerable, less able to connect to people. But I would say her heart is in the right place. Is that fitting for a leadership position? Well, I'd respond by saying I hope we have many more people worthy of filling Pelosi's shoes. That the wellspring of worthiness does not begin and end at any individual. We need a worthy party, not just a worthy person.

It’s not odd revisit:

Benghazi
Hacked server
Classified info sent via unclassified email
Uranium One
Various people being murdered.
Various too sick to serve
Hillary had a stroke
Hillary was given debate questions

This stuff matters, no response allows people to make the event true or make up false narratives from the event.
If she is not capable of tracking what is said about her, there are companies that can track it for her and she can respond.

 

[Jhhnn]

It’s not odd revisit:

Benghazi
Hacked server
Classified info sent via unclassified email
Uranium One
Various people being murdered.
Various too sick to serve
Hillary had a stroke
Hillary was given debate questions

This stuff matters, no response allows people to make the event true or make up false narratives from the event.
If she is not capable of tracking what is said about her, there are companies that can track it for her and she can respond.

Or not. This little bit of right wing hoo-haw is no kind of threat.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Or not. This little bit of right wing hoo-haw is no kind of threat.

I heard that leading up to 2016, didn’t work out so well.

 

[dank69]

You don’t build sustainable gains by giving people something to vote against. You have to give them something to vote for. The “problematic” Democrat leadership you acknowledged helped pave the road that Trump went roaring down.

There are millions of reasons to vote for Democrats. Nobody is looking for a reason to vote for Democrats. Everyone is looking for a reason to vote against them because it feels so good.

 

[Jhhnn]

I heard that leading up to 2016, didn’t work out so well.

In her district, Pelosi can hold office as long as she wants. And if our Democratic Reps choose her to lead, she'll do just fine. I figure her political skills after 17 terms are probably better than anybody's on this forum.

 

[Jhhnn]

There are millions of reasons to vote for Democrats. Nobody is looking for a reason to vote for Democrats. Everyone is looking for a reason to vote against them because it feels so good.

Owning the Libs is priceless to the mindless.

 

[dank69]

You keep putting people like “rich liberals deal maker" Pelosi and republican-lite corporate Clinton in the forefront of representing the democrat party and then you cry the blues when the Trumps and their type get elected into office.

Your sacred cow democrat leadership is owned by the rich no different from the republicans you hate and no amount of mental gymnastics you like to play makes it right or good for the working middle class.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...cy-pelosi-speaker_us_5bf41f2de4b0376c9e68ffce
Democratic Donors Suggest They May Withhold Donations If Nancy Pelosi Isn’t Elected Speaker

Dirt on Democrats
You have to go back two months and the best you can come up with is that the people who fund the party have opinions about who should lead. The horror.

 

[Muse]

I think she should have known better than to utter the words "all lives matter." If you look at the context she clearly meant well but that phrase is like acid to African Americans since the alt-right made it their battle cry.

But it's the butt-kickin' truth, don't care who tries to own it, it needs/needed to be said. BLM makes no sense in any other context. All lives matter. Why would blacks bristle at that? They have plenty of real things to get upset about, palpably horrific, disingenuous, prevaricating, dishonest, smoke-screen, out and out vicious stuff.

 

[dank69]

But it's the butt-kickin' truth, don't care who tries to own it and needs/needed to be said. BLM makes no sense in any other context. All lives matter. Why would blacks bristle at that. They have plenty of real things to get upset about, palpably horrific, disingenuous, prevaricating, dishonest, smoke-screen stuff.

I don't know why it upsets them. You should tell them all how they should react to things.

 

[Muse]

Shame on the DNC for being so damn old.

Age is not necessarily a curse. It's a number, you might want to choose your words more carefully if you have something to say... "old" probably wasn't your intention. Reach for your thesaurus, figuratively or literally.

 

[Bitek]

Trump's shutdown and erratic behavior has considerably raised Speaker Pelosi's influence and power.

Trump behaves as an infant, McConnell is absent, and Chuck is acting as her wingman.

Depending on how this resolves, it's hard not see this as a massive strategic blunder by the GOP.

Trump may occupy the WH, but it feels that DC and the gov is being led by Nancy, and no obvious reason that will reverse once the gov reopens.

She is fully in command of the unified Democratic caucus.