Well it's regime change... again.

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yet another.

ISIS in Iraq becomes ISIS in Syria and to get at ISIS we have to go after Assad, as if that would provide any stability in the region. I don't know if anyone has been following Libya, but that's not been going all that well.

Another War President.

 

[DrDoug]

Please do remember that it was the previous war president who took out the despot who had kept this crazy somewhat in check over there, leaving this president to deal with the resulting mess.

Mission accomplished indeed.

 

[Genx87]

Doubling down on idiocy I see. What could go wrong by toppling the regime while ISIS is controlling vast areas and have more power than the FSA?

 

[Genx87]

Please do remember that it was the previous war president who took out the despot who had kept this crazy somewhat in check over there, leaving this president to deal with the resulting mess.

Mission accomplished indeed.

So because the previous president enacted a terrible policy of toppling a dictator. Obama should be allowed to make the same mistake twice in his administration? Remember Libya? Yeah, that place is chaos right now. Im sure Syria will have a different result from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Please do remember that it was the previous war president who took out the despot who had kept this crazy somewhat in check over there, leaving this president to deal with the resulting mess.

Mission accomplished indeed.

Obama isn't learning from others errors - a very good definition of stupidity.

 

[theeedude]

So instead of fighting with Assad against ISIS, we are going to be fighting with ISIS against Assad. Yeah, that makes total sense.

 

[DrDoug]

So because the previous president enacted a terrible policy of toppling a dictator. Obama should be allowed to make the same mistake twice in his administration? Remember Libya? Yeah, that place is chaos right now. Im sure Syria will have a different result from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya.

Did I say that I agreed with what Obama is doing? Nope. All I was saying is that Obama wouldn't even be considering anything if not for Bush. Look at it this way, if Obama does nothing the press and Republicans claim he is weak and making America look bad. If he does something then they can claim it's incompetent, wishy-washy and empowering the enemy.

So no matter what Obama does he will fail because that is what our country has become, one huge fucking failure in search of more fail.

 

[Brainonska511]

And still only crickets from Congress as to whether we should even be committing to military action...

 

[CPA]

All I was saying is that Obama wouldn't even be considering anything if not for Bush.

Sorry, but you have no idea if that's true.

 

[manimal]

Did Assad make a deal with ISIL? They have been letting them past the border into Iraq for some time so Assad can either help or get out of the way. He controls less than half the country now right?

 

[DrDoug]

Sorry, but you have no idea if that's true.

OK Mr. Word Parser, how about if Saddam was still around that it's highly unlikely Obama would have to be doing anything over there? I know everyone thinks it fashionable to blame Obama for everything that ails us but this didn't start with him.

You know the old line; you broke it, you bought it. We fucked up over there, royally.

ETA: I really hope Republicans end up with the presidency and the House/Senate in 2016. This game of musical chairs is about over and I would love to see them holding the bag when the music stops and people discover that they sold all of the seats ot the highest bidder long ago.

 

[Genx87]

Did Assad make a deal with ISIL? They have been letting them past the border into Iraq for some time so Assad can either help or get out of the way. He controls less than half the country now right?

Is this the lefts version of either you are with us or against us?

Assad doesnt control vast areas of his border due to ISIS and FSA. But what does that have to do with us making regime change a priority in defeating ISIS?

 

[theeedude]

That's US policy, change regime first, ask questions later.

 

[Greenman]

Astounding that the second post was BUT BUSH!!

 

[waggy]

Yet another.

ISIS in Iraq becomes ISIS in Syria and to get at ISIS we have to go after Assad, as if that would provide any stability in the region. I don't know if anyone has been following Libya, but that's not been going all that well.

Another War President.

No surprise. I think most people knew this excuse was going to be used eventually.

Personally i think the US should stay the fuck out of it. I'm tired of having a war continuously.

Please do remember that it was the previous war president who took out the despot who had kept this crazy somewhat in check over there, leaving this president to deal with the resulting mess.

Mission accomplished indeed.

BWHAHAHAHA fuck. b b b b but bush!

fuck bush was a beautiful being. but god damn it's time to let that excuse go.

 

[zanejohnson]

i wanna know one thing...

is our strategy, that we DO HAVE the trump card with our military?

or is that, gonna backfire on us too?

like what happens when we really do have to "engage" the enemy.... or are we? and we're getting beat?


do we have the ability to level these places if we really needed to? or are we really seeing, the "war effort?"

 

[DrDoug]

No surprise. I think most people knew this excuse was going to be used eventually.

Personally i think the US should stay the fuck out of it. I'm tired of having a war continuously.



BWHAHAHAHA fuck. b b b b but bush!

fuck bush was a beautiful being. but god damn it's time to let that excuse go.

Yeah, what's the point of history when tomorrow is a new day, right? History, bah. Who needs it and what good is it? Why should we bother to look for the origin of a problem when we can find something else nearby to conveniently blame for it.

It's fucking ignorant morons like you who are ruining it for everyone else. You don't give a shit about Americans, you just love the abstract of the perfect America you have floating in that vacuum chamber on your shoulders that you call your brain. You care more about an ideology than you do for actual living, breathing people. I don't give a shit about Obama nor Bush because they aren't the problem, WE ARE. They are just the face of our problem, the ones we elected to represent our problems to the world. I'm not a fucking democrat nor am I a Republican. Why? Because when it comes to politics I'm for America, not some fucking political abstract ideology that it has to run by.

So go ahead, keep covering for Bush, he needs more white knights like you.

 

[feralkid]

So instead of fighting with Assad against ISIS, we are going to be fighting with ISIS against Assad. Yeah, that makes total sense.

Not really.


The suggestion is that we'll never get rid of ISIL in Syria with Assad still in power.

Probably true.

 

[Moonbeam]

I remember some Lebanese diplomat pleading with Americans at the time of there civil war to go home and let us kill each other in piece.

I think you can find in Germany and Japan some of the biggest proponents of non-aggression philosophy. Maybe we learn by doing, for a while.

Imagine if, at the age, say, of 18, everybody had to run through a huge field of meat grinders, where maybe only 50% would survive. Do you think that those who made it through would vote to continue with the practice or do you think a vote on such change would become a hugely contentious issue.

 

[Jaskalas]

Bush reaped terror in Iraq.
Obama is trying to outdo him.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Obama is a jack ass for getting involved.

#1, I suspect this is what triggered the birth of ISIS; http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801, all though it was not intended, in 2012, he sent assistance to a group of 'rebels'. And, all though we won't get a member from ISIS stating; O yeah, Uncle Barry sent us these AK47 and trained me to use them!, we will get someone pointing out the creation of ISIS, and it will point back to Barry - give it a few years after he out of the White House.

#2, OK, you fucked up, by unintentionally sparking the birth of a pretty powerful terrorist nation (not even an organization, dumb ass),... and you are still involved in that area? Why?

#3, I think Barry wants to 'get Assad', to one up the previous administration. Back when we invaded Iraq for the 2nd time, there was suspicion that pointed weapons movement INTO Syria from Iraq; http://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-basis-for-wmd-smuggling-claims/

• Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in early October he believed Saddam had WMD before the war. "He has either hidden them so well or moved them somewhere else, or decided to destroy them ... in event of a conflict but kept the capability of developing them rapidly," Rumsfeld said in a Fox News Channel interview.
  
• Eight months earlier, he told senators "it's possible that WMD did exist, but was transferred, in whole or in part, to one or more other countries. We see that theory put forward."
  
• Secretary of State Colin Powell expressed concern the WMD would be found. However, when asked in September if the WMD could have been hidden or moved to a country like Syria, he said, "I can't exclude any of those possibilities."

The above link disputes these claims,.. but, there is "something" there; be it a gut feeling, or a report/evidence that they could not share, there is something somewhere that has Obama itching to get at Assad - and, it's resulted in disaster so far.

The man has let his ego get the best of him (and thousands murders by his ISIS love child), just so he can prove he succeeded where Bush has failed.

Stop it, Barry - people have gotten butchered.

 

[theeedude]

Not really.


The suggestion is that we'll never get rid of ISIL in Syria with Assad still in power.

Probably true.

ISIL obviously disagrees, since they are fighting Assad.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Here's my opinion we get more involved when the others in the area are willing to do something. Honestly imagine how much easier it would be if Saudi Arabia did most of the lifting & Iran condemned ISIS for not following the Koran and Iraq finally figured out how to work together as a society and not like a bunch of tribes.
I know its unlikely but one can hope.

Where's China on this didn't they score a bunch of oil rights in Iraq?

 

[Atreus21]

Please do remember that it was the previous war president who took out the despot who had kept this crazy somewhat in check over there, leaving this president to deal with the resulting mess.

Mission accomplished indeed.

This is true, but also the beneficiary of hindsight.

 

[feralkid]

ISIL obviously disagrees, since they are fighting Assad.

Non sequitur?

We want to be rid of BOTH.