Well, it's official. I've changed parties.

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Anyway, I'm done. So now you can call me a shill or whatever you want. All I know is the Republican Party, in general,</end quote></div>They represent mine more in general, too. It's just that Republicans themselves do not (most in the republican party are idiots, just as most democraps are). I have an inner peace I hope some others here can have that goes as such: Come next presidential election, don't worry if "your team" loses, because really both teams are losers. There is no need to lament a particular party's loss, because it was just as bad as the other.
On the other hand, optimism is found in the fact that Bush's second term ensures he cannot come back again, so from that perspective, whoever wins makes it a win-win for us all.

So really it's good all around.

I do fear for this country's future because I think its political system is becoming quite buggered, and who I blame that on is mainly the people who are tolerating it, content in their own stupidity and ignorance and ready to embrace any demagogue that caters to their little brains and simple perspectives on the world. There is a great lack of critical thought among the voting masses and they are being easily manipulated by the political system, a vertiable puppet master.

When was the last time the people were passionate about a leader? They're not, they're merely passionate AGAINST a leader. The dems didn't like Kerry, they knew he was a joke, but they HATED Bush. Similarly, the Republicans knew Dumbya was an intellectual catastrophe with a cocaine-rotted brain in his skull, but they detested Kerry. Elections have turned into a sporting event, complete with arbitrary rooting for one's home team.

Pretty much all of the current contenders for president at crap. Ron Paul, who I am not even saying I agree with, at least has some kind of a loyal following. With everyone else, it's just picking who they think sucks the least and/or whomever can ensure that "their party" beats "the other party".

This is crap. "There is no need to lament a particular party's loss, because it was just as bad as the other"?
Do you really think Al Gore would have invaded Iraq? Screwed up so badly on Katrina?
Untaxed and spent us into a deeper hole? Spied on our email and phone calls?
Democrats have a long way to go to even compare with the incompetence and corruption of the past Republican regimes of Nixon, Reagan and Bush.
Have you seen a poll of what foreigners now think of the US ?

 

[Arkaign]

I'm re-reading this thread in mild amazement. First, let me say that the Democrats are disorganized and do not offer a credible plan for America. Let me follow that up with this :

There is nothing wrong with holding traditional 'conservative' values; such as :

*- For smaller government/lower spending
*- For national security/strong border policy
*- For limiting social programs/welfare
*- For lower taxes
*- For a limited international role (remember the whining from the right when Clinton sent us to Kosovo)

That said, the Republicans have been TOTAL failures as 'conservatives' for a very long time, House, Senate, Executive, etc. Let's count the f'ups :

*- They've introduced new government agencies up the wazoo, with bloating spending to match
*- They've dropped the ball on a strong border policy
*- They've done little to nothing to rein in social spending
*- They've lower taxes on the richest, but left the middle class to twist in the breeze
*- They've dropped the ball on Afghanistan and proceeded to waste half a trillion dollars in Iraq, which was patently obvious to be a threat to NOBODY.
*- They've treated the constitution like a doormat to wipe their jackboots on, or maybe it's easier to say they wipe their asses with it
*- They've politicized the Justice department in a way that would make even that troll Janet Reno blush

God I could go on for hours if I had to, but just thinking about those creeps makes me want to puke on my keyboard.

ANYONE who has any confidence in, or thinks that the Republicans 'represent' their views has shown themselves to be devoid of any intelligence or rational thought process, unless they just get off on rampant corruption, waste, and the destruction of our country by all means available.

The Democrats are corrupt and useless in their own unique ways, but they've been MUCH less dangerous to this country and the very concept of liberty than the R's have been.

 

[Phokus]

Dear Blackangst1:

WORST. TIMING. *EVER*

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2067305&enterthread=y

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: blackangst1
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: manowar821
Partisan BS.

You do realize that the two party system will be the downfall of the USA, right?

BTW, I always thought you were a republican. This isn't shocking. Are you sure you weren't already fully aware of your loyalties, and that this isn't just a troll post?</end quote></div>

Im positive. When I first registered, in 1984, the Dems *did* represent my views moreso than the GOP. It was about 15 years ago I started to doubt, this last fall I hopped on the fence, and this month I jumped. There IS such thing as a conservative Democrat, although harder and harder to find. Thus, my jumping. I wasnt trying to troll at all.</end quote></div>

Assuming as true your non-trolling intentions, can you articulate for us what positions exactly have changed in the past 15 years between dems and reps that you now find yourself agreeing with the reps moreso on? Abortion? Tax cuts? Environmental issues? Gay marriage? What did you not know about the dem position 15 years ago that you just learned?

Oh, and since the president (Rep) was in favor of the immigration bill, but the majority of reps in the senate were against it...which rep are you annoyed with?

Lets just say my thinking has gone from emotional to substantive. No one really cares anyway Maybe I'll start a seperate thread of changes in both parties just to be fair and balanced

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Darthvoy
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: blackangst1
I've been teetering on this edge for about a decade now, and with the latest immigration bill (specifically the voting record) I am finally bailing on the Democratic party. I've had it.

Let me put a few things in perspective. First, both parties are corrupt to some extent. Both parties mislead the public to some extent. Both parties listen to lobbyists to some extent. Both parties fail to actually DO what they say theyre going to do to some extent. But...

The Democrats are doing it better than the GOP. I am so disgusted with the current Democratic leadership (Steny Hoyer, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean) it's hard for me to think how far over the American people's eyes they have pulled the wool. I dont base my opinion of leadership on 5 minute sound bites, or on lengthy speeches, but rather on voting records. I can honestly say the Democratic party, in general, lies far more than the GOP does. Far more. Now, dont go listing specific examples of GOP doing this, because as I've said, both parties do it. The Democrats just are better at it and do it far more often. My main gripe this session of Congress is Nancy Pelosi. By looking at her voting record she is on the opposite side of the fence of every issue that is important to me. In her bid for leadership EVERY one of her promises was the exact opposite of her prior votes. And she was sooo passionate with her lies!

Anyway, I'm done. So now you can call me a shill or whatever you want. All I know is the Republican Party, in general, represents my views far closer than the Dems do. Let the name calling begin!</end quote></div>

it is unfortunate that you are not smart enough, or should i say, too ignorant to realize you are not limited two only democrats and republicans. You are a prime example of what is wrong with the American political system. The "gees...I guess I am better off by aligning myself to the party which I think is the lesser of two evils" is complete BS. People like you have been brainwashed into accepting fvck ups to run the government. If the whole issue of immigration really bothers you, then ask yourself, why didn't the Republicans do anything about it when they had the chance? But, just be honest with yourself. You have always been a republican. There is no need to make a new thread in which you weakly attempt to take a jab at democrats.

As for me, I am neither a democrat nor republican. I refuse to have my choices of "political parties" limited to only two. I do tend to be liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal policy.

Should I take off my shoes before talking to such an enlightened one as yourself?

As for your tendancies bolded above...I guess it pains you to know Im the same as you.

And your condecending comments "people like you", "brainwashed", and the like...are you really that childish IRL? Because it really sounds like something my 11 year nephew would say.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I think the original voting points of the Republican party are closer to me than the original Democrats, but the evolution of how the members of those parties vote keeps me away from them. If the neocons (ie the zealotous, ignorant, empire builders) would leave the party then I'd consider siding with them again, but so long as they're a large part of the base I have no choice but to oppose them at every turn.

That being said I feel the Dems have not only left their original ideals but they've become spineless and a bunch of lying corrupted stooges. This leaves me with independents as my only plausible vote. I tend towards Libertarians but occasionally vote for others. The only time I'll vote one of the two main parties is to oppose a neocon, which I will do 100% of the time.

In other words, I understand your position...though I wish you'd become one of the 40% disillusioned electorate who consider independent parties. We really won't have a good nation again until we get up to 3-7 viable parties.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
For your first day as a republican, you got your president pardoning his criminal friends who got convicted.. Hope you agree with his "values"!

I sure do The whole trial was a sham.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
I'm re-reading this thread in mild amazement. First, let me say that the Democrats are disorganized and do not offer a credible plan for America. Let me follow that up with this :

There is nothing wrong with holding traditional 'conservative' values; such as :

*- For smaller government/lower spending
*- For national security/strong border policy
*- For limiting social programs/welfare
*- For lower taxes
*- For a limited international role (remember the whining from the right when Clinton sent us to Kosovo)

That said, the Republicans have been TOTAL failures as 'conservatives' for a very long time, House, Senate, Executive, etc. Let's count the f'ups :

*- They've introduced new government agencies up the wazoo, with bloating spending to match
*- They've dropped the ball on a strong border policy
*- They've done little to nothing to rein in social spending
*- They've lower taxes on the richest, but left the middle class to twist in the breeze
*- They've dropped the ball on Afghanistan and proceeded to waste half a trillion dollars in Iraq, which was patently obvious to be a threat to NOBODY.
*- They've treated the constitution like a doormat to wipe their jackboots on, or maybe it's easier to say they wipe their asses with it
*- They've politicized the Justice department in a way that would make even that troll Janet Reno blush

God I could go on for hours if I had to, but just thinking about those creeps makes me want to puke on my keyboard.

ANYONE who has any confidence in, or thinks that the Republicans 'represent' their views has shown themselves to be devoid of any intelligence or rational thought process, unless they just get off on rampant corruption, waste, and the destruction of our country by all means available.

The Democrats are corrupt and useless in their own unique ways, but they've been MUCH less dangerous to this country and the very concept of liberty than the R's have been.

It is quite simply the largest looting spree in history. This administration through it's policies and cronyism and corruption has milked the US citizens (the workers, middle class, retirees and future generations) for hundreds of billions, not to say trillions of dollars.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: shadow9d9
For your first day as a republican, you got your president pardoning his criminal friends who got convicted.. Hope you agree with his "values"!</end quote></div>

I sure do The whole trial was a sham.

If we don't like outcomes, we just ignore them! That sure sounds like a small government! Lieing to prosecutors means nothing.. we should have more lies! At least you are honest about being scum. Though it is no surprise to me.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
I'm re-reading this thread in mild amazement. First, let me say that the Democrats are disorganized and do not offer a credible plan for America. Let me follow that up with this :

There is nothing wrong with holding traditional 'conservative' values; such as :

*- For smaller government/lower spending
*- For national security/strong border policy
*- For limiting social programs/welfare
*- For lower taxes
*- For a limited international role (remember the whining from the right when Clinton sent us to Kosovo)

That said, the Republicans have been TOTAL failures as 'conservatives' for a very long time, House, Senate, Executive, etc. Let's count the f'ups :

*- They've introduced new government agencies up the wazoo, with bloating spending to match
*- They've dropped the ball on a strong border policy
*- They've done little to nothing to rein in social spending
*- They've lower taxes on the richest, but left the middle class to twist in the breeze
*- They've dropped the ball on Afghanistan and proceeded to waste half a trillion dollars in Iraq, which was patently obvious to be a threat to NOBODY.
*- They've treated the constitution like a doormat to wipe their jackboots on, or maybe it's easier to say they wipe their asses with it
*- They've politicized the Justice department in a way that would make even that troll Janet Reno blush

God I could go on for hours if I had to, but just thinking about those creeps makes me want to puke on my keyboard.

ANYONE who has any confidence in, or thinks that the Republicans 'represent' their views has shown themselves to be devoid of any intelligence or rational thought process, unless they just get off on rampant corruption, waste, and the destruction of our country by all means available.

The Democrats are corrupt and useless in their own unique ways, but they've been MUCH less dangerous to this country and the very concept of liberty than the R's have been.

Republicans aren't conservatives anymore. I'm not sure that any party exists today that holds the core values that you list above. Too bad.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
I'm re-reading this thread in mild amazement. First, let me say that the Democrats are disorganized and do not offer a credible plan for America. Let me follow that up with this :

There is nothing wrong with holding traditional 'conservative' values; such as :

*- For smaller government/lower spending
*- For national security/strong border policy
*- For limiting social programs/welfare
*- For lower taxes
*- For a limited international role (remember the whining from the right when Clinton sent us to Kosovo)

That said, the Republicans have been TOTAL failures as 'conservatives' for a very long time, House, Senate, Executive, etc. Let's count the f'ups :

*- They've introduced new government agencies up the wazoo, with bloating spending to match
*- They've dropped the ball on a strong border policy
*- They've done little to nothing to rein in social spending
*- They've lower taxes on the richest, but left the middle class to twist in the breeze
*- They've dropped the ball on Afghanistan and proceeded to waste half a trillion dollars in Iraq, which was patently obvious to be a threat to NOBODY.
*- They've treated the constitution like a doormat to wipe their jackboots on, or maybe it's easier to say they wipe their asses with it
*- They've politicized the Justice department in a way that would make even that troll Janet Reno blush

God I could go on for hours if I had to, but just thinking about those creeps makes me want to puke on my keyboard.

ANYONE who has any confidence in, or thinks that the Republicans 'represent' their views has shown themselves to be devoid of any intelligence or rational thought process, unless they just get off on rampant corruption, waste, and the destruction of our country by all means available.

The Democrats are corrupt and useless in their own unique ways, but they've been MUCH less dangerous to this country and the very concept of liberty than the R's have been.

With the exception of illegal immigration reform and spending, I agree with everything the Republicans have done in the last 7 years. In fact, I wisdh GWB would have done NOTHING in regards to immigration, as he has fvcked us even worse.

That said, my response to your assertions:
"*- They've introduced new government agencies up the wazoo, with bloating spending to match" Most of which had to do with creation of Homeland Security. And the war. Neither of which I have a problem with.

"*- They've dropped the ball on a strong border policy" Yep. Sure have. If it makes ANY difference whatsoever, not ONE Democrat even floored a bill to fix it either.

"*- They've lower taxes on the richest, but left the middle class to twist in the breeze" Lowering taxes on the rich I wish we would do more of. Leaving middle class twisting? Not in my case. My tax rate has gone DOWN since 2000, and I make more money. I vote with my pocketbook like you do.

"*- They've dropped the ball on Afghanistan and proceeded to waste half a trillion dollars in Iraq, which was patently obvious to be a threat to NOBODY." No, we havent. And as Dennis Miller says, If Bush changed his mind about Iraq, I wouldnt.

"*- They've treated the constitution like a doormat to wipe their jackboots on, or maybe it's easier to say they wipe their asses with it" Well, interpration is meaningless eh?

"*- They've politicized the Justice department in a way that would make even that troll Janet Reno blush" *shrug* Not sure what to say about this. Other than I dont think so.

ANYONE who has any confidence in, or thinks that the Republicans 'represent' their views has shown themselves to be devoid of any intelligence or rational thought process, unless they just get off on rampant corruption, waste, and the destruction of our country by all means available.

Thanks for kindergarten-ish name calling. Intelligence? lol you dont wanna go there with me.

Thanks for the feeback though! Because your opinion matters!

 

[Arkaign]

Heh, this whole thread makes you pretty much a laughingstock, and your feeble reply just makes you look worse. The fact that you agree with the Republican agenda of the last 7 years makes you not only ANTIconservative to an extreme, but you quote Dennis Miller.

'Intelligence' might mean something to you if you were an Eisenhower or Reagan Republican. But to associate willingly with the band of thugs that control the modern Republican power structure is laughable at best, and sad at worst.

You admit to supporting the Iraqi invasion? You think it was the right thing to do? You think it was worth diverting assets from the Afghan mission and spending over 500 billion dollars there? What did it get us? Thousands of dead Americans? Yay for you, here's your cookie, try not to drool on yourself.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Heh, this whole thread makes you pretty much a laughingstock, and your feeble reply just makes you look worse. The fact that you agree with the Republican agenda of the last 7 years makes you not only ANTIconservative to an extreme, but you quote Dennis Miller.

'Intelligence' might mean something to you if you were an Eisenhower or Reagan Republican. But to associate willingly with the band of thugs that control the modern Republican power structure is laughable at best, and sad at worst.

You admit to supporting the Iraqi invasion? You think it was the right thing to do? You think it was worth diverting assets from the Afghan mission and spending over 500 billion dollars there? What did it get us? Thousands of dead Americans? Yay for you, here's your cookie, try not to drool on yourself.

Sorry, but when I say intelligence, I'm not speaking of popular decision making. Im talking raw intelligence. That which is tested. Which is assigned a score. You can call me alot of things, but stupid isnt one of them.

Anyway. The name calling is in full effect. Let's close this

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Now that the Dems have control of the Legislative branch, why aren't they fixing the Bush's pharmacy benefit program or revoking the tax break for the top 1%? They've b*tched and moaned so loudly that...for a second there...I thought they were sincere and would actually do something constructive. Instead all we get is incessant political posturing. No wonder their approval rating is at an all-time historical low! What a bunch of losers.

What's really interesting is that you don't see many pissed off Dems...what gives?

they don't have a veto-proof majority.

So? They've spent a lot of time and energy on embryonic stem-cell research and war funding (with withdrawal deadlines), both of which Bush promised upfront that he was going to veto. Dems have intentionally been beating their heads against a brick wall to make political statements...this has all the earmarks of posturing for 2008.

Then to add insult to injury, they spend enormous amounts of time constructing the imigration bill from hell. It appears that they're more interested in amnesty (and the votes that come with it) rather than any real border security. And the kicker is that Bush is probably stupid enough to sign it!

There's a lot of issues that Dems can work on without fear of veto...instead they choose to play partisan politics and get their pork passed. The first 100 hours was a joke. Hell...the first 100 days was a joke...not one piece of legislation made it to the Presidents desk in that time. Now we're 6 months into this debacle. I'm not buying the "don't have a veto-proof majority" excuse...there's plenty that can be done that Bush won't veto.

(Edit: Attempting to fix quotes)

 

[IronWing]

I find it quite amusing that so many folks think the (Dems/Reps - pick one) were crafting the immigration bill as a way to pick up votes in the long term. All evidence suggests that neither party is capable of thinking past the next fundraiser let alone some election a decade or more down the road when these theoretical millions of new voters will rise out of some legalization law. The Dems/Reps are responding to what they always respond to - money - from the people who got it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
With the exception of illegal immigration reform and spending, I agree with everything the Republicans have done in the last 7 years.

Thank you for continuing to solidify the proof of your hate for this country.

You've been on quite a roll the last two days.

 

[theeedude]

If you are switching to GOP when many people are leaving it, you must really be a Republican at heart, and have found the right place.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: blackangst1


With the exception of illegal immigration reform and spending, I agree with everything the Republicans have done in the last 7 years. In fact, I wisdh GWB would have done NOTHING in regards to immigration, as he has fvcked us even worse.


You were never a democrat. Im not sure what you would be....Bush lover maybe?

 

[theeedude]

Seriously, even most republicans don't agree with everything Bush has done in the last 7 years aside from illegal immigration. I bet most don't agree with medicare prescription drug benefit, no child left behind, explosion in government spending.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: blackangst1
With the exception of illegal immigration reform and spending, I agree with everything the Republicans have done in the last 7 years. </end quote></div>

Thank you for continuing to solidify the proof of your hate for this country.

You've been on quite a roll the last two days.

Indeed a shill for sure, now we are supposed to be surprised because he has come out of the closet. Pft.

 

[blackangst1]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: dmcowen674
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: blackangst1
With the exception of illegal immigration reform and spending, I agree with everything the Republicans have done in the last 7 years. </end quote></div>

Thank you for continuing to solidify the proof of your hate for this country.

You've been on quite a roll the last two days.</end quote></div>

Why is my disgust with this administrations handling of illegal immigrants and spending money like a drunken sailer on leave in Thailand make me hate America? I would think those are two pretty important ones. Maybe not in YOUR Amerika...

edit: and BTW Dave...why is it that when someone stands for something you personally disagree with you bring out the hate America card? I mean, I expect the Bush lover, sheeple, blah blah blah comments already posted. Those of us on this side of the fence say the same to those on the other side. That?s expected, I dont lose sleep, I dont get my feelings hurt; however, to constantly play the hate America card is really sh1tty. Though our system isnt perfect, it's what we have. And to bash another American for simply disagreeing with you is..well...sh1tty. I could take this moment and spew out garbage about your views, but is it necessary? As much as I despise your views on things (not all, but most), I would never EVER call you an America hater.

/shakes head

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: shadow9d9
For your first day as a republican, you got your president pardoning his criminal friends who got convicted.. Hope you agree with his "values"!</end quote></div>

I sure do The whole trial was a sham.

Was the jury rigged or something? Trial by jury except when the outcome disagrees with what I want.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: blackangst1
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: shadow9d9
For your first day as a republican, you got your president pardoning his criminal friends who got convicted.. Hope you agree with his "values"!</end quote></div>

I sure do The whole trial was a sham.</end quote></div>

Was the jury rigged or something? Trial by jury except when the outcome disagrees with what I want.

Well, the Clinton impeachment hearing were a sham too...right?

Touche

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Republicans aren't conservatives anymore. I'm not sure that any party exists today that holds the core values that you list above. Too bad.

Sure there is. They're called libertarians.

 

[WHAMPOM]

"Officially" changed parties? That's a heck of a set up, now what is the punch line of the joke?