Well I have a new online backup plan. In 97 days my data will be secure!

Crono

Lifer
Aug 8, 2001
23,720
1,503
136
Some backup companies let you ship them a drive if it's going to be a lot of data or slow for initial backup.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,268
126
Some backup companies let you ship them a drive if it's going to be a lot of data or slow for initial backup.

That would be nice option, but I don't have that. I'm uploading about 5 TB so in the grand scheme of things I suppose that's not too bad. In the meantime I have important things backed up internally and on an external drive as well as an image of my C: drive on yet another.

What a PIA this would be to restore from scratch, but I could.

Way better safe than sorry.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
111,994
31,558
146
Some backup companies let you ship them a drive if it's going to be a lot of data or slow for initial backup.

Better yet, the big companies with the big customers have full-time couriers that are ready to fly out to wherever you are, pick up your hard drives, and fly them back to the data center. Weird when you consider how reaching a certain data amount, online transfer costs become more expensive than physically flying out a person round trip to carry some hardware.
 
Feb 25, 2011
16,999
1,628
126
Better yet, the big companies with the big customers have full-time couriers that are ready to fly out to wherever you are, pick up your hard drives, and fly them back to the data center. Weird when you consider how reaching a certain data amount, online transfer costs become more expensive than physically flying out a person round trip to carry some hardware.

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
 

DietDrThunder

Platinum Member
Apr 6, 2001
2,262
326
126
So there was probably a better way to do this, but I didn't want to pay anyone for storage and I didn't want anyone else having my data. I bought two NAS's with each having 2 4TB drives in RAID 1. I set up one NAS first with all of my data. Then I started swapping out the drives one by one and let the NAS duplicate the data. When finished, I took the second NAS over to my parents house and set it up (I pay for their internet anyway, so why not use some of their bandwidth). I then went back home, followed the instructions for the NAS and set up a connection between the two, then synced the two NAS's. Every Morning around 2 am I have my NAS sync with the NAS at my parents house.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,268
126
So there was probably a better way to do this, but I didn't want to pay anyone for storage and I didn't want anyone else having my data. I bought two NAS's with each having 2 4TB drives in RAID 1. I set up one NAS first with all of my data. Then I started swapping out the drives one by one and let the NAS duplicate the data. When finished, I took the second NAS over to my parents house and set it up (I pay for their internet anyway, so why not use some of their bandwidth). I then went back home, followed the instructions for the NAS and set up a connection between the two, then synced the two NAS's. Every Morning around 2 am I have my NAS sync with the NAS at my parents house.

I don't have anything which needs to be secure on this system. If I had anything like that I would secure it by other means. I have one drive with critical documents stored in a high-security safety deposit box. A direct strike by nuklear wessels would take it out, but that's about it. At that point I don't think much would matter.
 

DietDrThunder

Platinum Member
Apr 6, 2001
2,262
326
126
I don't have anything which needs to be secure on this system. If I had anything like that I would secure it by other means. I have one drive with critical documents stored in a high-security safety deposit box. A direct strike by nuklear wessels would take it out, but that's about it. At that point I don't think much would matter.

You'd be surprised at what a company can determine about you by mining all of your digital family photos. Not to mention all the other financial data you keep.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,268
126
You'd be surprised at what a company can determine about you by mining all of your digital family photos. Not to mention all the other financial data you keep.

Oh yes I know that's true. Metadata is a big one. I digital profile of me exists in some form without doubt.

"Big Data" is equivalent to "Total Information Awareness". I have no direct evidence, however I suspect that a higher level of computational and AI ability exists which are deemed to be national security issues and therefore illegal to disseminate. Near real time analysis of pretty much everything along with algorithms used to know us better than we do either is available or will be soon. When that happens everyone will welcome Orwell, indeed they already do.

This past election is a rudimentary example of what such data analysis can do. Give it twenty years.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
71,288
14,074
126
www.anyf.ca
It's cheaper in the long run to just buy your own storage and do your own backups. Idealy have some that are offsite but you can do that with individual drives. Which reminds me I have not done a drive exchange with the ones in my work drawer in a while. I guess that is one advantage of cloud backup less chance of forgetting. :p
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,268
126
It's cheaper in the long run to just buy your own storage and do your own backups. Idealy have some that are offsite but you can do that with individual drives. Which reminds me I have not done a drive exchange with the ones in my work drawer in a while. I guess that is one advantage of cloud backup less chance of forgetting. :p

I'm sort of paranoid. Local backup x2, offsite and cloud. I'm one of the few who could complain if everything goes to hell.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
52,428
7,665
136
I'm sort of paranoid. Local backup x2, offsite and cloud.

You have every right to be. Just make sure you have a good restore procedure!!! I've seen so many places claim to have an amazing backup system & then have NO IDEA how to actually restore the data to put back into production use. "Oh yeah, we do tape backups all the time" "and how do you recover that?" "Uhhh...well it takes two days to pull the data off...and then uh...we copy it over to the file server...uhhhhhhhhh" :rolleyes:

It's unbelievable the number of businesses (and people, on a personal level) who don't understand that it's all about the data. The data can't be replaced. You can replace a computer or a software program, but if the data's gone, then the data's gone. People keep their whole lives on their desktop with no backup...you get a bad hard drive or a lightning strike or a crypto-virus or even a corrupted login profile and poof, RIP digital life!
 

Carson Dyle

Diamond Member
Jul 2, 2012
8,173
524
126
I'm sort of paranoid. Local backup x2, offsite and cloud. I'm one of the few who could complain if everything goes to hell.

No, exactly the opposite. If everything goes to hell and you're unable to recover with all of that, then you've fucked up EXTRA hard and have nobody to blame but yourself.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
25,134
2,450
126
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

Just a station wagon? How old school:

Snowmobile.ee53d92b60a769d9619746feccd16baee77cf841.png


That's an AWS Snow Mobile. It's how you transfer a few Exabytes of data to the cloud if necessary.
 

Exterous

Super Moderator
Jun 20, 2006
20,615
3,840
126
Yeah a lot of vendors like Crashplan are not known for having the best bandwidth options. Some company a year ago or so had 'unlimited' backups but was slow enough that when they did away with that plan option quite a few of their customers had to pay the new much higher rate because they couldn't get their data out quickly enough

Just a station wagon? How old school:

That's an AWS Snow Mobile. It's how you transfer a few Exabytes of data to the cloud if necessary.

Dang - beat me to it.