Well...I don't...it just might....$1000 to self-deport?

[VRAMdemon]

Offering money? Sounds like their grand plans for deportation are failing bigly.

Also, bad idea for anyone to take this money without talking with an immigration attorney. You could really screw up your immigration case or get yourself a 10-year or longer re-entry ban if you're not careful.

And not to mention Trump does not like to pay his bills. The last time Trump cut a check on time/promptly for $1000.00 or more was to Stormy Daniels.

This shows Trump thinks these peoples lives are worth a measly $1,000 if you're going back to a place where you could be killed. The first few will get the money then it will be a trap. Go to get the money then you're arrested.

Miller is probably lying. Miller likes himself some good old fashion fascist deception.

 

[mindless1]

This shows Trump thinks these peoples lives are worth a measly $1,000 if you're going back to a place where you could be killed.

There are legal ways to get into the US if you have this situation.

It's not about life value, you must be deranged.

I hate to state this, but it's a little bit about stand your ground. If you leave instead of fighting for your country/community, to make it safe, I don't really want you to be my neighbor. Stated by a vet.

Mankind can't just migrate all the supposedly wonderful people into one region and hope the rest of the world settles for that. Historically that does not happen.

Freedom isn't really free. Nothing really is.

I fully support tariffs on Mexico in particular to give them some incentive to better police their border, not immigrants in general but more so the drugs and criminals coming over. If we can patrol and intercept and screen people, they can too.

 

[Brainonska511]

There are legal ways to get into the US if you have this situation.

Yes, the asylum system, which Trump is busy breaking and ignoring.

It's not about life value, you must be deranged.

I hate to state this, but it's a little bit about stand your ground. If you leave instead of fighting for your country/community, to make it safe, I don't really want you to be my neighbor. Stated by a vet.

This makes no sense. Not everyone can stay and fight, and why shouldn't people be able to move to try and improve their own lives? We literally live in a country where pretty much every white person's ancestors came here to do just that.

Mankind can't just migrate all the supposedly wonderful people into one region and hope the rest of the world settles for that. Historically that does not happen.

Freedom isn't really free. Nothing really is.

Do you know anything about the history of the US and immigration? We've had waves and waves of immigrants who cam here from economically depressed or unstable areas to make a better life for themselves and their children here.

I fully support tariffs on Mexico in particular to give them some incentive to better police their border, not immigrants in general but more so the drugs and criminals coming over. If we can patrol and intercept and screen people, they can too.

How will random tariffs incentivize border protection?

 

[hal2kilo]

It's not like this is some mystery, we knew exactly why when it happened; it would have looked good for the Biden admin. It wasn't a secret. Herr Trump couldn't run on his "open borders" lies right after the border deal got passed.

Bingo!

 

[hal2kilo]

And not to mention Trump does not like to pay his bills. The last time Trump cut a check on time/promptly for $1000.00 or more was to Stormy Daniels.

This shows Trump thinks these peoples lives are worth a measly $1,000 if you're going back to a place where you could be killed. The first few will get the money then it will be a trap. Go to get the money then you're arrested.

Miller is probably lying. Miller likes himself some good old fashion fascist deception.

Bet he doesn't go anywhere without security.

 

[Moonbeam]

I see our resident coward is again ignoring the bipartisan border deal that his Glorious Leader shot down.

My gosh, I was reading your post and thought this was it:

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre

For a moment there I thought this is coming from a rank genius and I felt a sort of delighted surprise. Then when I saw Sartre I realized it was a quote in your sig. No disrespect intended by mentioning this. I just thought I would add what emphasis I can to his words. As I found his words remarkable and profoundly insightful your quoting him means you did too and that in itself is so great. And while it's kind of absurd to complement someone who posts something you agree with because it's self congratulatory in part, I want to thank you for the chance to read that.

When I was young I read Sartre looking for a way out and didn't find much more than despair, the Existentialists were instrumental is destroying everything I believed in and held sacred, though, which was a very good thing because it lead me on to Zen and and strawberry growing on a cliff side.

 

[brycejones]

What checks were they being given?

@Greenman are you able to elaborate?

 

[GodisanAtheist]

There is no $1000. This is literally the piece of candy under a cage propped up by a stick gag in real life.

I'm sure some suckers will fall for it though.

Would be hilarious if it backfires with tons of people sneaking into the US to get a free plane flight to Els Salvador and the empty promise of money.

 

[mindless1]

Yes, the asylum system, which Trump is busy breaking and ignoring.

Seems like your TDS is overriding reason. The illegals were coming in before Trump. Most did.

This makes no sense. Not everyone can stay and fight, and why shouldn't people be able to move to try and improve their own lives?

Disagree completely. Stay and fight doesn't necessarily mean bear arms, it could even be as ineffective as whining like a lot of people on AT forums do, or supplying support for those who fight, or just standing their ground, and helping/supporting their youth to find more productive ways to earn a living instead of being in a gang.

Why shouldn't they be able to move (as you put it), ignores the facts, that they can actually move, and have to obey the laws of wherever they move to, the US included.

We literally live in a country where pretty much every white person's ancestors came here to do just that.

Do you know anything about the history of the US and immigration? We've had waves and waves of immigrants who cam here from economically depressed or unstable areas to make a better life for themselves and their children here.

There are many things that people used to be able to do. It isn't just the US that has immigration laws in place that weren't, many years ago, depending on how far back you want to go. Many, many laws have had to be enacted as time has gone by to refine what society considers workable. There was once a time, in my lifetime, when I could have parked in my high school parking lot, with a rack full of guns in a pickup truck. If guns are too sensitive a topic, then lawn jarts, or whatever. Times change, laws are enacted.

It comes back to staying and improving your own community instead of bailing out. Your argument seems very one sided, how about the lives of the people in those communities, if their hardest working and brightest just leave, won't those people still in that community suffer as a result? HOW will life for them get better if everyone just leaves, which of course is not possible.

Do you not really care at all about human suffering, only some knee jerk reaction to those who illegally immigrate?

I feel for the people suffering, but also recognize that the current state of things, isn't reducing that suffering. This chaotic ideal in place in the Biden era, did not help, only made things worse. We've been sending billions to Mexico and their crime rate only got worse and the drugs haven't stopped, so yeah, carry a big stick and let them feel the consequences if they won't enforce the border.

How will random tariffs incentivize border protection?

Clearly you have blinders on. How won't it? It is very clear that the US is not happy with the illegal immigrants and drugs crossing the border. It is clear that Mexico needs to step up their game if they don't want the tariffs to hurt their economy very badly.

Will US citizens feel it? Yes. If there were a Quick Magical Fix, that would have happened already. This went on too long and that's why the readjustment has teething pains.

 

[Moonbeam]

When I astral travel to Mexico I see a long stretch of white sanded beach and many many canvas umbrellas and suntanning chairs. I wonder if I can collect that thousand dollars? But my favorite is to fly as a condor in the Andes. This may help you get off the ground:

 

[Greenman]

I am also pretty sure that’s the first time greenman has said anything about being open to an amnesty program despite years of engagement with immigration threads here.

I've never had an issue with a well thought out amnesty program.

 

[fskimospy]

Seems like your TDS is overriding reason. The illegals were coming in before Trump. Most did.



Disagree completely. Stay and fight doesn't necessarily mean bear arms, it could even be as ineffective as whining like a lot of people on AT forums do, or supplying support for those who fight, or just standing their ground, and helping/supporting their youth to find more productive ways to earn a living instead of being in a gang.

Why shouldn't they be able to move (as you put it), ignores the facts, that they can actually move, and have to obey the laws of wherever they move to, the US included.



There are many things that people used to be able to do. It isn't just the US that has immigration laws in place that weren't, many years ago, depending on how far back you want to go. Many, many laws have had to be enacted as time has gone by to refine what society considers workable. There was once a time, in my lifetime, when I could have parked in my high school parking lot, with a rack full of guns in a pickup truck. If guns are too sensitive a topic, then lawn jarts, or whatever. Times change, laws are enacted.

It comes back to staying and improving your own community instead of bailing out. Your argument seems very one sided, how about the lives of the people in those communities, if their hardest working and brightest just leave, won't those people still in that community suffer as a result? HOW will life for them get better if everyone just leaves, which of course is not possible.

Do you not really care at all about human suffering, only some knee jerk reaction to those who illegally immigrate?

I feel for the people suffering, but also recognize that the current state of things, isn't reducing that suffering. This chaotic ideal in place in the Biden era, did not help, only made things worse. We've been sending billions to Mexico and their crime rate only got worse and the drugs haven't stopped, so yeah, carry a big stick and let them feel the consequences if they won't enforce the border.



Clearly you have blinders on. How won't it? It is very clear that the US is not happy with the illegal immigrants and drugs crossing the border. It is clear that Mexico needs to step up their game if they don't want the tariffs to hurt their economy very badly.

Will US citizens feel it? Yes. If there were a Quick Magical Fix, that would have happened already. This went on too long and that's why the readjustment has teething pains.

It's odd how conservatives consistently ignore the fact that conservatives are the #1 reason for the immigration issues we have.

I think we can both agree that it's long past time to end the chaos and lawlessness of conservative immigration policy. We need to get some responsible adults in there and actually enact the solutions we already know work. People just need to put reality in front of ideology.

 

[mindless1]

It's odd how conservatives consistently ignore the fact that conservatives are the #1 reason for the immigration issues we have.

That's the most backwards thing I've read all day. Just no.

I think we can both agree that it's long past time to end the chaos and lawlessness of conservative immigration policy. We need to get some responsible adults in there and actually enact the solutions we already know work. People just need to put reality in front of ideology.

I am 100% sure we can not agree about the chaos that liberals caused and the lawlessness that they introduced into our country.

We need to make sure that liberal idiots who do not care about the citizens in our country, don't let their bleeding hearts let criminals and drugs in. It's not even their bleeding hearts, more like guilty conscience about having low morality and they want some token gestures to make them feel better about themselves, but it never happens, no matter what, the left wing liberals are going to whine and be unhappy. We can let the entire country turn into a communist, drug infested, homeless wasteland and still, they'll just whine and blame someone else. No sense of responsibility.

If an immigrant wants to become a citizen, no matter where they come from, then they too, should be protected from criminals and drugs coming in. Just like the front door of your own home, it's about WHO you let in.

Where is your bullshit ideology about that? Would you open your front door to your home to any random mexican gang member and say "COME ON IN!"? If not, then your entire argument falls apart right there. If you would, then you need to put that on Facebook because there are immigrants who would love to meet you.

Putting reality in front of ideology is exactly why we have to enforce the law. If you don't like the laws, petition your reps to change them. If you are in a minority so the law prevails, that's called democracy.

Here's the most ironic part. I'd be as happy living in Mexico, depending on where, and I don't mean just some resort town... but I'm not a manual laborer, so it's a bit like the same situation as in the US, that if you want to get ahead, you need skills, not to become a gang member and infest the US.

Mexico has social ranking/employment based on skills and education, just like the US. Let's not kid ourselves, it's not a 3rd world country. The primary problem is crime. Incentivize them to enforce it, and don't let it across the border.

 

[fskimospy]

That's the most backwards thing I've read all day. Just no.


I am 100% sure we can not agree about the chaos that liberals caused and the lawlessness that they introduced into our country.

We need to make sure that liberal idiots who do not care about the citizens in our country, don't let their bleeding hearts let criminals and drugs in. It's not even their bleeding hearts, more like guilty conscience about having low morality and they want some token gestures to make them feel better about themselves, but it never happens, no matter what, the left wing liberals are going to whine and be unhappy. We can let the entire country turn into a communist, drug infested, homeless wasteland and still, they'll just whine and blame someone else. No sense of responsibility.

If an immigrant wants to become a citizen, no matter where they come from, then they too, should be protected from criminals and drugs coming in. Just like the front door of your own home, it's about WHO you let in.

Where is your bullshit ideology about that? Would you open your front door to your home to any random mexican gang member and say "COME ON IN!"? If not, then your entire argument falls apart right there. If you would, then you need to put that on Facebook because there are immigrants who would love to meet you.

Putting reality in front of ideology is exactly why we have to enforce the law. If you don't like the laws, petition your reps to change them. If you are in a minority so the law prevails, that's called democracy.

Here's the most ironic part. I'd be as happy living in Mexico, depending on where, and I don't mean just some resort town... but I'm not a manual laborer, so it's a bit like the same situation as in the US, that if you want to get ahead, you need skills, not to become a gang member and infest the US.

Mexico has social ranking/employment based on skills and education, just like the US. Let's not kid ourselves, it's not a 3rd world country. The primary problem is crime. Incentivize them to enforce it, and don't let it across the border.

That was a lot of writing to say that you don’t know it’s republicans who keep torpedoing new border laws.

 

[Pens1566]

That's the most backwards thing I've read all day. Just no.


I am 100% sure we can not agree about the chaos that liberals caused and the lawlessness that they introduced into our country.

We need to make sure that liberal idiots who do not care about the citizens in our country, don't let their bleeding hearts let criminals and drugs in. It's not even their bleeding hearts, more like guilty conscience about having low morality and they want some token gestures to make them feel better about themselves, but it never happens, no matter what, the left wing liberals are going to whine and be unhappy. We can let the entire country turn into a communist, drug infested, homeless wasteland and still, they'll just whine and blame someone else. No sense of responsibility.

If an immigrant wants to become a citizen, no matter where they come from, then they too, should be protected from criminals and drugs coming in. Just like the front door of your own home, it's about WHO you let in.

Where is your bullshit ideology about that? Would you open your front door to your home to any random mexican gang member and say "COME ON IN!"? If not, then your entire argument falls apart right there. If you would, then you need to put that on Facebook because there are immigrants who would love to meet you.

Putting reality in front of ideology is exactly why we have to enforce the law. If you don't like the laws, petition your reps to change them. If you are in a minority so the law prevails, that's called democracy.

Here's the most ironic part. I'd be as happy living in Mexico, depending on where, and I don't mean just some resort town... but I'm not a manual laborer, so it's a bit like the same situation as in the US, that if you want to get ahead, you need skills, not to become a gang member and infest the US.

Mexico has social ranking/employment based on skills and education, just like the US. Let's not kid ourselves, it's not a 3rd world country. The primary problem is crime. Incentivize them to enforce it, and don't let it across the border.

Username checks out.

 

[brycejones]

I've never had an issue with a well thought out amnesty program.

Maybe you can link up your previous posts here advocating for such?

 

[outriding]

That's the most backwards thing I've read all day. Just no.


I am 100% sure we can not agree about the chaos that liberals caused and the lawlessness that they introduced into our country.

We need to make sure that liberal idiots who do not care about the citizens in our country, don't let their bleeding hearts let criminals and drugs in. It's not even their bleeding hearts, more like guilty conscience about having low morality and they want some token gestures to make them feel better about themselves, but it never happens, no matter what, the left wing liberals are going to whine and be unhappy. We can let the entire country turn into a communist, drug infested, homeless wasteland and still, they'll just whine and blame someone else. No sense of responsibility.

If an immigrant wants to become a citizen, no matter where they come from, then they too, should be protected from criminals and drugs coming in. Just like the front door of your own home, it's about WHO you let in.

Where is your bullshit ideology about that? Would you open your front door to your home to any random mexican gang member and say "COME ON IN!"? If not, then your entire argument falls apart right there. If you would, then you need to put that on Facebook because there are immigrants who would love to meet you.

Putting reality in front of ideology is exactly why we have to enforce the law. If you don't like the laws, petition your reps to change them. If you are in a minority so the law prevails, that's called democracy.

Here's the most ironic part. I'd be as happy living in Mexico, depending on where, and I don't mean just some resort town... but I'm not a manual laborer, so it's a bit like the same situation as in the US, that if you want to get ahead, you need skills, not to become a gang member and infest the US.

Mexico has social ranking/employment based on skills and education, just like the US. Let's not kid ourselves, it's not a 3rd world country. The primary problem is crime. Incentivize them to enforce it, and don't let it across the border.

Biden deported more people than trump

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record - BBC News

President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.

www.bbc.com

Obama’s nickname was deported in chief

The last bill that was presented was voted down by republicans

So name a bill that the republicans put forth for border/ immigration

My guess you will not repond

 

[fskimospy]

Biden deported more people than trump

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record - BBC News

President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings.

www.bbc.com

Obama’s nickname was deported in chief

The last bill that was presented was voted down by republicans

So name a bill that the republicans put forth for border/ immigration

My guess you will not repond

The last bill presented (and the one before) that were not actually voted down by republicans - it’s worse than that. Both bills passed the senate as part of a bipartisan deal and then republicans refused to allow them to be voted on in the house out of fears they would pass.

 

[hal2kilo]

Username checks out.

Always.

 

[Indus]

That's the most backwards thing I've read all day. Just no.


I am 100% sure we can not agree about the chaos that liberals caused and the lawlessness that they introduced into our country.

We need to make sure that liberal idiots who do not care about the citizens in our country, don't let their bleeding hearts let criminals and drugs in. It's not even their bleeding hearts, more like guilty conscience about having low morality and they want some token gestures to make them feel better about themselves, but it never happens, no matter what, the left wing liberals are going to whine and be unhappy. We can let the entire country turn into a communist, drug infested, homeless wasteland and still, they'll just whine and blame someone else. No sense of responsibility.

If an immigrant wants to become a citizen, no matter where they come from, then they too, should be protected from criminals and drugs coming in. Just like the front door of your own home, it's about WHO you let in.

Where is your bullshit ideology about that? Would you open your front door to your home to any random mexican gang member and say "COME ON IN!"? If not, then your entire argument falls apart right there. If you would, then you need to put that on Facebook because there are immigrants who would love to meet you.

Putting reality in front of ideology is exactly why we have to enforce the law. If you don't like the laws, petition your reps to change them. If you are in a minority so the law prevails, that's called democracy.

Here's the most ironic part. I'd be as happy living in Mexico, depending on where, and I don't mean just some resort town... but I'm not a manual laborer, so it's a bit like the same situation as in the US, that if you want to get ahead, you need skills, not to become a gang member and infest the US.

Mexico has social ranking/employment based on skills and education, just like the US. Let's not kid ourselves, it's not a 3rd world country. The primary problem is crime. Incentivize them to enforce it, and don't let it across the border.

Is this copy pasted out of some 6th grader civics class weekend homework??

What the fuck did I just read?

 

[nakedfrog]

That's the most backwards thing I've read all day. Just no.

If conservatives actually cared they'd nail employers hiring undocumented workers to the wall. No reason to come here if there's no work.

 

[fskimospy]

If conservatives actually cared they'd nail employers hiring undocumented workers to the wall. No reason to come here if there's no work.

The deal is, and has always been, beefed up border security in exchange for a better/easier legal immigration process. Republicans have rejected this at every turn.