wow, i just read most of the reviews, 50% over the ti4600 sounds really really nice. i guess when that comes out i will have to put my ti4600 on ebay. add another hundred hopefully and i gots a new toy to play with =]. even though alot of ppl hate ebay, i certainly find it helpful when you want to upgrade to the best and newest things for cheaper.
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Well here comes the R300 yawn!!!!!
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JackBurton
Lifer
Well that is outstanding! You must be really proud of such an accomplishment.
You my friend are very unperspective and think very egotistically.
People hold different values on the same things. Although I wouldnt pay $400 for a video card, I would drop a lot on electronics and computer equipment (in the 1000's). I have no problem paying for $5000+ speakers and owning personal servers over $3000, and getting a $7000 50" plasmavision.
However, I would not pay more than $10 for a meal, $5 for a movie, $10 for a t-shirt, $15 for khaki pants, $15,000 for a car, $10 for wine, etc. Whereas other people who would not pay for a $5000 speakers would have no problem plunking down $200 for a bottle of wine.
This is simple economics.
People hold different values on the same things. Although I wouldnt pay $400 for a video card, I would drop a lot on electronics and computer equipment (in the 1000's). I have no problem paying for $5000+ speakers and owning personal servers over $3000, and getting a $7000 50" plasmavision.
However, I would not pay more than $10 for a meal, $5 for a movie, $10 for a t-shirt, $15 for khaki pants, $15,000 for a car, $10 for wine, etc. Whereas other people who would not pay for a $5000 speakers would have no problem plunking down $200 for a bottle of wine.
This is simple economics.
Rectalfier
Golden Member
Yeah, No Crap. I was being sarcastic.
I am very impressed with the 9700. If you can't afford it or aren't willing to pay for it, too bad for you. I will wait for the NV30 before I decide on a new video card. I need a good card to match my P4.
Oh great, intelligent one! I bring thee news!
#1) It's a smeggin' awesome card.
#2) While only about equal to a TI4600 in cost, it outperforms it by 50% in several cases. AA by 250%
#3) Not a single complaint about drivers so far - I'm sure Anand would have said something if he felt he had to.
#4) The price will drop dramatically. Even the $400 Matrox Parahelia is at NewEgg right now for $330.
#5) The R8500 is no longer the high-end card but is still fantastic for around $100US - Great price for plenty of speed. Need almost 2x more performance? Get the new 9700.
#6) Your first sentence alone has several errors, gramatically alone.
-i) guys - plural of guy. "s" is added. 's would make it an "ownership" of one guy
-ii) to - a destination or such: "I'm going to the store. Would you like to come too?
too - simpler form of "as well" or "in addition to"
-iii) "easy" - you left us hanging, wondering, "What the heck are you talking about?"
Come back after you read the reviews a few more times and hear some more word of mouth.
In the meantime, enjoy the very wise purchase of that R8500. Who told you to get it? 😉
Wolfsraider
Diamond Member
the article gave me the impression of around christmas for the aiw version and sweet bejezus
i'm saving my pennies😉
i'm saving my pennies😉
MadRat
Lifer
<<On a more serious note, it's all relative. To some people, $400 isn't as big of a deal as it is to others.
I can't imagine spending a bunch of money on a bottle of wine.>>
Or you can be like me and bring home unique brands with phoney price tags (i.e. $53.00) and it makes all the ladies giddy at family gatherings. They all think their drinking something special although it may really be $4.00 wine. 😉
I can't imagine spending a bunch of money on a bottle of wine.>>
Or you can be like me and bring home unique brands with phoney price tags (i.e. $53.00) and it makes all the ladies giddy at family gatherings. They all think their drinking something special although it may really be $4.00 wine. 😉
CrazySaint
Platinum Member
Uh, can anybody say "NEF"??
I think that we're gonna see some pretty serious price drops on the gF4 ti4400/4600 cards. You know the 9700 is gonna drop down near $300 a few weeks after it comes out, and with it being 50% faster than the 4600, the 4600 is gonna have to come down to somewhere between $200-300 to be competetive.
I think that we're gonna see some pretty serious price drops on the gF4 ti4400/4600 cards. You know the 9700 is gonna drop down near $300 a few weeks after it comes out, and with it being 50% faster than the 4600, the 4600 is gonna have to come down to somewhere between $200-300 to be competetive.
The 9700 is truely an awesome card and would be a nice toy to have, however I would never be able to justify the $400 price tag... thats why I have my Ti200 that I paid $75 back in the day.
Other people can rationalize their purchase and buy these cards and hey, good for them... it ensures that the maker of this card gets back all the money they spent on R&D and put the money back into further R&D. A year down the line a top end card that cost $400 ends up as mid end card that is more affordable and in my computer🙂.
If you want to be the first on the block to play, you have to pay😉.
Other people can rationalize their purchase and buy these cards and hey, good for them... it ensures that the maker of this card gets back all the money they spent on R&D and put the money back into further R&D. A year down the line a top end card that cost $400 ends up as mid end card that is more affordable and in my computer🙂.
If you want to be the first on the block to play, you have to pay😉.
SteelCityFan
Senior member
Yep, you pay to have it first. There is nothing wrong with waiting, or spending the money if you feel like it and can. What other people do with their money is not any of my business. I'll consider the 9700 when NVidia's next card comes out. Should be at a nice price then.
As of right now, I am still very happy with my 64MB Radeon 8500 Retail purchase. I paid about $150 for it when the GeForce ti200's were in the 135 range, and the ti500 was still well over $200. The GeForce 4200 was still a couple months away. Considering that the 8500 outperforms the ti500 in most cases while giving a better image quality, I think I made the right choice.
This forum can be funny at times. I can't understand why you would ridicule someone for a hardware choice they made. Pretty childish.
gf4200isdabest
Senior member
wow....speaking of morons....the guy who started this thread...
EVERYONE QUICK!! Listen to him. Never buy anything when it first comes out. I don't want to see ANY more products on the market that have significant improvements over the previous generation!! Let's all wait until hardware drops 50% in price and while we're at it we can drive the whole semiconductor industry out of buisness (in case NateJ isn't paying attention (a likely scenario), their stocks already fell 80% or so...they just need one final push from us to make them fall into oblivion and not buying high end products is a great way to drive them into the ground)
EVERYONE QUICK!! Listen to him. Never buy anything when it first comes out. I don't want to see ANY more products on the market that have significant improvements over the previous generation!! Let's all wait until hardware drops 50% in price and while we're at it we can drive the whole semiconductor industry out of buisness (in case NateJ isn't paying attention (a likely scenario), their stocks already fell 80% or so...they just need one final push from us to make them fall into oblivion and not buying high end products is a great way to drive them into the ground)
Natej... you apparently failed to learn the difference between the words "to" and "too" in school. Four times now you have used "to" when you should have used "too". Go grab a dictionary and educate yourself.
I think it's apparent now why you have a low-paying job and can't afford to buy the latest toys... but don't go criticizing those who can.
I think it's apparent now why you have a low-paying job and can't afford to buy the latest toys... but don't go criticizing those who can.
CPUs are so cheap nowadays that it makes sense to relocate $100-200 to another component. A good processor used to cost $350-450, yet now it's around $150 (or more, for Intel). So why not make the most of it, and spend that extra hundred on a videocard?
P.S. If you overclock your videocard every year, it will never become obsolete 🙂
P.S. If you overclock your videocard every year, it will never become obsolete 🙂
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Originally posted by: bluemax
#2) While only about equal to a TI4600 in cost, it outperforms it by 50% in several cases. AA by 250%--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually, the r300 only out performs the ti4600 by 150% (if the 4600 is normalized as 1, and the r300 is 2.5x faster)... yes, it still wipes the floor with it, but I'm a nitpik with math.
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Originally posted by: bluemax
#2) While only about equal to a TI4600 in cost, it outperforms it by 50% in several cases. AA by 250%--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually, the r300 only out performs the ti4600 by 150% (if the 4600 is normalized as 1, and the r300 is 2.5x faster)... yes, it still wipes the floor with it, but I'm a nitpik with math.
Well, me also buys only dirt cheap parts at discount prices when they're already outdated. That's b/c I got no use for the fastest and the greatest and I just don't know what to do with the graphics and CPU power I'd get at a premium price. I'm also not a millionaire, unfortunately 🙁, and have to keep an eye on money spending. Had I found at least one use for a more powerful PC I'd upgrade right now, but I don't see this need coming.
Thus, I mostly agree with Natej, but one thing I don't agree with is that he tries to pursue the others not to buy top of the line stuff. It's a completely useless effort, IMVHO.
Thus, I mostly agree with Natej, but one thing I don't agree with is that he tries to pursue the others not to buy top of the line stuff. It's a completely useless effort, IMVHO.
CrazySaint
Platinum Member
I'd hardly call the Radeon 9700 whipping the Ti4600 by 50% an "increment value".
SithSolo1
Diamond Member
Sometimes I wish i hadn't spent $3500 on my first computer. Maybe then i could afford this card. 🙁
Oh but I was the talk of the school when I got that computer(Back when the p3s had just come out).
It was a 500mhz P3, 128MB PC100 ram, Turtle Beath Montage 2 soundcard(probably the best one I ever had), an amazing 16MB STB TNT1(that card was badass), 17GB HD, 4.8x DVD-Rom drive, 100MB Zip drive, Altec Lansing 295 speakers(which I still use sometimes), and an astounding 19in monitor! Yes you read right, 19in. My system was a force to be reconned(sp?) with. Now just think what I could get for $3500 today. Man that would be a kickass system. 😀 For those of you still wonderring, I still use that monitor and That system belongs to my little brother. Replaced the TB Montage 2 with an SB Live! 5.1 X-gamer, replaced the TNT1 with a 32MB GF2 GTS, added a nic card, a 17in flatscreen monitor, and bought him an extra 256MB of ram.
Oh well, thats the end of my sad sad tale. 🙁
Oh but I was the talk of the school when I got that computer(Back when the p3s had just come out).
It was a 500mhz P3, 128MB PC100 ram, Turtle Beath Montage 2 soundcard(probably the best one I ever had), an amazing 16MB STB TNT1(that card was badass), 17GB HD, 4.8x DVD-Rom drive, 100MB Zip drive, Altec Lansing 295 speakers(which I still use sometimes), and an astounding 19in monitor! Yes you read right, 19in. My system was a force to be reconned(sp?) with. Now just think what I could get for $3500 today. Man that would be a kickass system. 😀 For those of you still wonderring, I still use that monitor and That system belongs to my little brother. Replaced the TB Montage 2 with an SB Live! 5.1 X-gamer, replaced the TNT1 with a 32MB GF2 GTS, added a nic card, a 17in flatscreen monitor, and bought him an extra 256MB of ram.
Oh well, thats the end of my sad sad tale. 🙁
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Originally posted by: bluemax
2.5x faster = 250%. Being a math whiz, I'm sure you knew that.
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Actually no, 2.5x faster does not equal 250%:
Say a train is traveling at 100 mph, if it goes 2.5x it's current speed, it's now going 250 miles per hour, or alternatively, if a train going a 100 mph increases it's speed by 150%, it's now going 100 mph + 100mphX150%, or 250 miles per hour. By your method (2.5x is the same as 250%), the train would be traveling at 100mph + 100mphX250% = 350 mph.
It's true that for numbers between 1 and 2 times another number you can report the percent INCREASE by just looking at the decimal place (figuring 1 x a % = 1.XX), however, as soon as your over 2, you need to remember that to report the percent increase over 1, you need to subract 1 from the number, in our case 2.5 x the performance, means 2.5 - 1 = 1.5 or 150%.
Originally posted by: bluemax
2.5x faster = 250%. Being a math whiz, I'm sure you knew that.
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Actually no, 2.5x faster does not equal 250%:
Say a train is traveling at 100 mph, if it goes 2.5x it's current speed, it's now going 250 miles per hour, or alternatively, if a train going a 100 mph increases it's speed by 150%, it's now going 100 mph + 100mphX150%, or 250 miles per hour. By your method (2.5x is the same as 250%), the train would be traveling at 100mph + 100mphX250% = 350 mph.
It's true that for numbers between 1 and 2 times another number you can report the percent INCREASE by just looking at the decimal place (figuring 1 x a % = 1.XX), however, as soon as your over 2, you need to remember that to report the percent increase over 1, you need to subract 1 from the number, in our case 2.5 x the performance, means 2.5 - 1 = 1.5 or 150%.
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