Amazing you only hear about the brutality, and bad things regarding China. Though we can see from this they are doing a better job of cleaning out corruption in there own government than most European or North American governments. Also... you dont see any presidential pardons here once the official has been convicted. China is going through there growin pains, but are doing an awsome job from what I see, and look like they will be comming out ahead of everyone, economically, socially, as well as government structure.
Well..at least someone is doing something about corruption
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Amazing you only hear about the brutality, and bad things regarding China. Though we can see from this they are doing a better job of cleaning out corruption in there own government than most European or North American governments. Also... you dont see any presidential pardons here once the official has been convicted. China is going through there growin pains, but are doing an awsome job from what I see, and look like they will be comming out ahead of everyone, economically, socially, as well as government structure.
When you use to be a 1, and they use to be a 20? Sure why not. Try to think past the next quarter.... It is a hard trait to master in the west.
China's definitely an up-and-coming country. Could be dangerous, but then again, it could just replace America as *the* country.
And if America keeps on this route, I can't honestly say that would be 100% bad for the world. Call me a traitor, but it's the truth. America, please answer your wakeup call. No more Bush afficionados in office past this year. Hopefully it's not too late to clean up this black mark on the history of this country.
And if America keeps on this route, I can't honestly say that would be 100% bad for the world. Call me a traitor, but it's the truth. America, please answer your wakeup call. No more Bush afficionados in office past this year. Hopefully it's not too late to clean up this black mark on the history of this country.
Stunt
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From a human rights perspective the west are best in the world. Definately a 9.5 out of 10. China is one of the worst offenders of human rights and should be congratulated for their progress. Using this development as a tool to criticize the west is severely misguided...
What major human rights violations have they commited in the last few years? I can see a few from the states from secret prisons, to torture, to jailing without reason. China has that, but have a massive list of convictions over the last year as they have cleaned that up. They have admitted to it, and are fixing it, wheras the US has admited to it, than defended it. As I said, two countries going in the opposite direction.
I'm gonna go with Tiananmen Square as a prime example. Yeah, that was 15+ years ago, but that's still pretty recent. Plus, they like to pick on their Island counterpart, and that's just plain mean.
I agree that was recent, but was really before there economical revolution started, which in turn made them clean up there act.
Vic
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The REAL crime is that China is on the UN Human Rights Commission.
And of course any totalitarian and bureaucratic government is going to have constant crackdowns on corruption. Did you not read 1984? That's how power is maintained by fear and how the filth rises to the top in that type of system.
And of course any totalitarian and bureaucratic government is going to have constant crackdowns on corruption. Did you not read 1984? That's how power is maintained by fear and how the filth rises to the top in that type of system.
More useless and stupid China cheering. Its amazing how much people are blinded by love for China.
Look at the annual list of corruption in countries. Who's at the top for least corruption? A lot of western European countries. Maybe you don't hear much about sorting out corruption in these countries because there is very little? Or did you ever think of the fact that they have a lot of checks and balances that minimizes corruption and even deals with it before it spreads?
Where's China on that list?
Who executes the most people every year? What do they say when asked about it? "mind your own business" Also take a look at how their justice system works. Look at who judges the trials.
When police shot and killed about 20 people who were protesting the construction of a power plant in the southern city of Dongzhou in December, Chinese officials blocked the spread of information about the event. Is that really improvement?
Look at the annual list of corruption in countries. Who's at the top for least corruption? A lot of western European countries. Maybe you don't hear much about sorting out corruption in these countries because there is very little? Or did you ever think of the fact that they have a lot of checks and balances that minimizes corruption and even deals with it before it spreads?
Where's China on that list?
Who executes the most people every year? What do they say when asked about it? "mind your own business" Also take a look at how their justice system works. Look at who judges the trials.
When police shot and killed about 20 people who were protesting the construction of a power plant in the southern city of Dongzhou in December, Chinese officials blocked the spread of information about the event. Is that really improvement?
Vic
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LOL! Yeah, it's sooo great that, beginning this July, if you are facing the death penalty for committing the heinous crime of bribery, your case will actually be heard in open court and not in secret behind closed doors. Woohoo... big steps forward for China!
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Compared to 10-20 years ago? Yes. As I said to Stunt earlier, try to look past the next quarter. You guys want everything to happen overnight, and it never does, and when it doesn't it is a failure. This will take a long to for China to achieve, the point is, they are working towards achieving that.
Maybe if bribery of a government official were taken seriously in America, we wouldn't have such a corrupt government.
What did you know about China 10-20 years ago? Considering they were such a closed country, distrustful of the Western world?
There is improvement in China but not as much as you try to make it sound like. "Awesome job? coming out ahead of everyone?" Way too much credit if you ask me.
If you look at Amnesty International's reports on China you'll see that its up and down pretty much.
If you're trying to make the point that China is working towards achieving improvement then yes they are, but your original post did not seem to try to make that point. You're original post seemed to try to make the point that they are doing a better job then everyone else and as it seems not many people have agreed with that.
You are right, I did word it one sided. They still have a long way to go, but they are making progress. As well, they seem to be one of the few countries going after government corruption with any teeth.
Oh, it slipped my mind.
But if you think about Communism, it would make sense that China cracks down harshly on corruption doesn't it? It goes against the ideals of Communsim and a balance of distribution of wealth among the people.
But if you think about Communism, it would make sense that China cracks down harshly on corruption doesn't it? It goes against the ideals of Communsim and a balance of distribution of wealth among the people.
3chordcharlie
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I'm no fan of china, but you can't be claiming a 9.5 out of 10 for any western country, especially the US since 9/11.
Hell, Canada's blind support for China is enough to drop them below 9.5.
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