Well at least for-profit college execs are doing well...

[alkemyst]

I instruct my recruiter to filter out anyone with a degree from UoP

wow my brother took some of their classes being on the road a lot and still wanted to expand himself.

He only is one of a handful of people in the world that's CCIE in both Routing and Switching, and Storage.

He also edits high end networking books as a pasttime.

What types of people do you hire?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

wow my brother took some of their classes being on the road a lot and still wanted to expand himself.

He only is one of a handful of people in the world that's CCIE in both Routing and Switching, and Storage.

He also edits high end networking books as a pasttime.

What types of people do you hire?

Or he could've just bought books and read them on his own. Unless you're saying he got a degree from them -- in which case, there are far better online alternatives.

 

[JD50]

wow my brother took some of their classes being on the road a lot and still wanted to expand himself.

He only is one of a handful of people in the world that's CCIE in both Routing and Switching, and Storage.

He also edits high end networking books as a pasttime.

What types of people do you hire?

It's ok, good technical folks that know what they're doing generally wouldn't want to work for the type of person that filters out a resume due to the college that they attended, I know I wouldn't.

 

[Binarycow]

Yeah but TV is not flooded with infomercials promising easy success for state schools. Never underestimate an American's lust for getting something without having to put in any effort.

that pretty much sums up all of our fuckups, from our in-the-toilet economy to our public education system to our parenting style, and so on. We are too impatient and demanding when things don't go our way, considering the effort we put in.

 

[sactoking]

Wow, upon further investigation, UoP's graduation rate is 16% overall, and 4% for their online division.

I mean I knew it was bad... but.... jesus.

That's because the admission standards are nonexistent and most people who enroll are not serious about getting a degree. Most Phoenix attendees think they want/need to go back to school but quickly drop out.

Community Colleges have a better graduation rate because enrollees know going in that they have to commit to actually attending class. They're (slightly) more serious students than your average Phoenix enrollee.

 

[alkemyst]

I am willing to bet they simply couldn't afford it, but thought since it was online it must be easy and cheap.

 

[alkemyst]

Or he could've just bought books and read them on his own. Unless you're saying he got a degree from them -- in which case, there are far better online alternatives.

most your better picks up please. It seems you have an anti University of Phoenix crusade for some reason going.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

most your better picks up please. It seems you have an anti University of Phoenix crusade for some reason going.

I assume you mean "list" the better options:

http://www.indiana.edu/~iuonline/de/degrees.html

http://purduekelley.iupui.edu/

https://engineering.purdue.edu/ProEd/credit/eml

http://sln.suny.edu/

http://www.worldcampus.psu.edu/degrees.shtml

Should I continue? I am "anti-UoP" because:

1. I saw the coursework in the MIS program and it was a joke.
2. It was way too expensive.

When you see a guy who barely had a 2.0 in undergrad and isn't very smart graduate from UoP with a 4.0, that should make you suspicious.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It's ok, good technical folks that know what they're doing generally wouldn't want to work for the type of person that filters out a resume due to the college that they attended, I know I wouldn't.

This is very true. At my last two companies, they didn't care where you went to school as long as you had a 4 year degree and could pass our technical interviews and test.

 

[alkemyst]

I assume you mean "list" the better options:

http://www.indiana.edu/~iuonline/de/degrees.html

http://purduekelley.iupui.edu/

https://engineering.purdue.edu/ProEd/credit/eml

http://sln.suny.edu/

http://www.worldcampus.psu.edu/degrees.shtml

Should I continue? I am "anti-UoP" because:

1. I saw the coursework in the MIS program and it was a joke.
2. It was way too expensive.

When you see a guy who barely had a 2.0 in undergrad and isn't very smart graduate from UoP with a 4.0, that should make you suspicious.

http://www.distance-learning-college-guide.com/accredited-online-colleges.html

it's funny how you had experience in both knowing one's undergrad and then post grad GPA's though.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

http://www.distance-learning-college-guide.com/accredited-online-colleges.html

it's funny how you had experience in both knowing one's undergrad and then post grad GPA's though.

What on earth are you babbling about? The guy told me.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm sorry, but being anti-UoP is pretty well supported by the facts. I'm unaware of anything it offers that you can't get better and cheaper at either a state university or a community college. And I mean a lot cheaper and better.

It's a good business, but a terrible school.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'm sorry, but being anti-UoP is pretty well supported by the facts. I'm unaware of anything it offers that you can't get better and cheaper at either a state university or a community college. And I mean a lot cheaper and better.

It's a good business, but a terrible school.

IIRC, UoP was at least twice the price of a degree from Indiana University.

 

[alkemyst]

What on earth are you babbling about? The guy told me.

sure he did. I bet he was bragging about the 2.0 too.

good luck with destroying university of phoenix.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

sure he did. I bet he was bragging about the 2.0 too.

good luck with destroying university of phoenix.

You don't have to believe me. People on these forums may disagree with me, but they know I don't lie.

 

[JD50]

Anyone know of a decent online school that focuses on Linux instead of Windows in their IT undergrad programs?

 

[lothar]

A guy I knew got his MIS from UoP. This guy nearly flunked out of undergrad (barely had a 2.0 IIRC) and was not very bright.

He graduated with a 4.0 from UoP. No, it wasn't because he suddenly became smart. He was still a big dumbass after he graduated.

Does he have a job? In his line of study?
Businesses hire people who finish from University of Phoenix???

 

[nonlnear]

This is the only business model that can reliably succeed (without significant innovation) in an economy in which G/Y= 44%. You find the subsidies, and ride 'em 'til the bubble until it pops.

 

[Circlenaut]

We taxpayers are essentially subsidizing this industry and getting fucked in the ass for it. Enrolling 10% of students but approaching 50% of aid!? I understand the need for underprivileged people to go to school but this is NOT the approach. Why the fuck did congress cut federal funding towards expanding community colleges from 12 to 2 Billion. What we need to do is cut ALL federal financial aid for people attending for-profit institutes and put that money into expanding community colleges. Formal education is not a business there are reasons why universities have standards.

Honestly I don't understand how people are not embarrassed graduating from these places. Don't they realize that they are the laughing stock of employers?

 

[alkemyst]

You don't have to believe me. People on these forums may disagree with me, but they know I don't lie.

It's not uncommon for a student that did poorly GPA wise as an undergrad to have a much much better post grad GPA.

All it takes to fuck up your GPA for undergrad is one realy bad Freshman year of making mostly C-D's.

Quite a few can save themselves if the college offers grade forgiveness by retaking the same class twice.

What gets me is many still don't pull an A off the second time around, I can't get that.

University of Phoenix is a respected school. There are others as well. Unless you think everything online is still make-believe like many did in the 90's then you'd know this.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It's not uncommon for a student that did poorly GPA wise as an undergrad to have a much much better post grad GPA.

All it takes to fuck up your GPA for undergrad is one realy bad Freshman year of making mostly C-D's.

Quite a few can save themselves if the college offers grade forgiveness by retaking the same class twice.

What gets me is many still don't pull an A off the second time around, I can't get that.

You missed the part where I said he is still an idiot. A big one, at that.

University of Phoenix is a respected school. There are others as well. Unless you think everything online is still make-believe like many did in the 90's then you'd know this.

I linked to far better online schools -- you know, state schools whose degrees are actually respected and cost much less. You can think UoP, DeVry, etc. are "respected" all you want. Comparing a UoP MBA to an Indiana University MBA (a top 20/25 program), for example, is nuts.

Companies fall into 2 categories -- ones where they just look for a degree and don't care where it is from and others who do care. UoP will satisfy the former, but not the latter in many cases.

 

[nick1985]

Anyone who goes to these scam schools is a tard

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Does he have a job? In his line of study?
Businesses hire people who finish from University of Phoenix???

As I mentioned, the guy is an idiot and graduated with a math degree (IIRC) with about a 2.0 GPA in undergrad. He was always trying to backstab people to get ahead. One of the funniest moments was when he sent a report out to our group and I replied with a few questions. He then responded in a condescending tone (with everyone copied) that "he could explain the stats to me if I wanted." I replied with "No thanks, I graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree and here is where your analysis is wrong." That didn't sit well.

Eventually, he tried to get several of us fired, including our boss. It backfired when HR caught him telling lies. That was one example of how the guy was just really not smart -- he would tell you one thing and five minutes later, the complete opposite.

So, he ruined his career there and had to quit. He went to another company and 3 months later, it closed and he was unemployed. He became an IT Manager at another company, and left there. He became an IT Director at another company, and left there. After every job, he'd post negative things online about the companies, complain about management and coworkers, etc. Last I knew, he got a job as a field engineer. He posted how "great" this job was and how there were no "politics." He did that at the last few jobs as well when he started.

So, in summary, since 2006, the guy has had 5 jobs. Who do you think is the problem? Let's be honest here -- he went to UoP because he wasn't going to get in anywhere else. Their only admission standard is the ability to pay. If you pay, you're in. I hope it does help him, because Indy is a small, tight-knit IT community and he has burned many, many bridges in town.

P.S. A few months ago, he applied to my current company. He didn't know that I worked here. It is consistently voted as one of the best places to work in Indy and has world-class benefits and perks. Anyway, I was in charge of filtering candidates. I really considered bringing him in for an interview just to see him crap his pants when I walked in the room. Instead, I just threw his resume away and told my boss not to ever consider him. That's what happens when you burn bridges -- he screwed himself out of an awesome opportunity. If he had been a good coworker and employee at past companies, I would've gotten him the job here.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Anyone who goes to these scam schools is a tard

Yeah, it would be one thing if these schools (UoP, DeVry) were the only online options around and that was the only possible way you could go. But when you have reputable schools like Indiana, Purdue, Penn St, Ohio State, Duke, and others offering online programs for the same or in many cases, far less money, you'd be a fool to go to UoP.

 

[nick1985]

Yeah, it would be one thing if these schools (UoP, DeVry) were the only online options around and that was the only possible way you could go. But when you have reputable schools like Indiana, Purdue, Penn St, Ohio State, Duke, and others offering online programs for the same or in many cases, far less money, you'd be a fool to go to UoP.

Yep.

Tard: "Gee, I wonder what looks better to an employer, a degree from Penn St or a degree from UoP?"

Tard: "UoP of course!!"


/facepalm