Weimar Hyperinflation caused by speculative bets

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``We have the precedent of our first Treasury Secretary, Alexander Hamilton's takeover of all the Revolutionary War debts of the states,'' LaRouche explained. ``The Hamilton precedent is crucial today, because Hamilton set the foundations of our entire system of national banking and credit. Hamilton took over the debt obligations of the states, established the role of the Federal government as the sole source of national debt and
credit. This was, and still is, to this day, fundamental. The debt obligations of the states, once assumed by Hamilton, formed the basis for the issuance of new credit for national infrastructure investments, including roads, canals and bridges, that boosted the overall productivity of our new sovereign republic. This is why a new National Bank is vital for the
restructuring of the current, hopelessly bankrupt banking system, and the launching of an economic recovery.''

LaRouche also cited President Franklin Roosevelt's role in passing the Glass-Steagall Act of June 1933, which reconstituted a Federal and state-chartered commercial banking system, in the wake of his Bank Holiday bankruptcy reorganization of the nation's shuttered private banks, as the second precedent for his current call for a new Hamiltonian National Bank. ``President Roosevelt did not formally establish a new National Bank, but he achieved the same results, through his bankruptcy reorganization
of the commercial banking system, and his use of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and other mechanisms to generate a flood of Federal government credit for job creation and massive infrastructure expansion. Programs like the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) transformed the United States, and FDR accomplished this, through the very same methods pioneered by Hamilton.

"From the time of the Peace of Paris in 1783, through the ratification of the Federal Constitution four years later,'' LaRouche elaborated, ``Hamilton laid down certain cornerstone principles of our national banking and credit system. We can use those Constitutional precedents to reorganize today.''

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LaRouche explained. ``As I first stated in my HBPA proposal of the summer of 2007, we must freeze all foreclosures of owner-occupied homes, for the duration of the crisis. We must then put all of the commercial banks--the Federal Reserve System as a whole--through full audit, followed by a bankruptcy reorganization. The worthless debt on the books of the banks will simply be canceled. The legitimate debts will be honored, in bankruptcy reorganization. The whole bankrupt Federal Reserve System will be replaced, in reorganization, by a new National
Bank. We shall launch a massive capital budget investment in high-technology, science-driver infrastructure projects, using the Constitutionally specified method of Congressional and Presidential-authorized credit. These Federal government credits, for specified infrastructure investment, will be channeled through the reorganized Federal and state-chartered commercial banks. The recapitalization of the banks, through infrastructure investment, will restore our banking system, over time, to healthy condition.

``That is how Alexander Hamilton did it. That is how Franklin Roosevelt did it. That is how I hope to see President Obama do it. This is the American System tradition, and there is no legitimate alternative available,'' LaRouche concluded.


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Moonbeam

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Dear halik, I would appreciate it if you can find somebody else who says what I do. Surely there are hundreds of thousands of folk who have taken Psych 101
 

LegendKiller

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Gotta love citing LaRoach. About the only hack that has less intelligence, logic, and rationale, than Ron Paul.
 
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Originally posted by: BansheeX
Originally posted by: soccerballtuxThe good thing about credit is you can just inflate away the debt if the middle class becomes too burdened by it.

That is only true so long as you can get away with doing it. Anyone holding dollars has the scarcity of them diminished relative to goods (the only value that matters is relative). Since we depend on massive deficits to maintain this level of government spending (this includes 60 trillion in unfunded future welfare payouts), we have to sell more and more short-term debt to foreigners in perpetuity (we have negative domestic savings). If foreigners are unwilling to buy our bonds at the current interest rate, the Fed either has to raise the rate or buy the bonds with inflation. The "problem" with raising them right now is that it will induce the "withdrawal" symptoms of our recent high, ARMs will reset at those higher rates and we will have a short depression as massive amounts of unsustainable debt is liquidated. The banking sector would essentially experience an enema, as they would be the ones taking the losses for loans on assets that were only worth the loan when seemingly endless amounts of credit was being extended to bid up the prices. Nobody realized that real credit comes from a creditor who forwent consumption to have savings. We were essentially expecting global wrist-cutting deeper to the bone each year to subsidize the ravenous American consumer who consider GDP growth to be consumption based and not production based.

Alternatively, the Fed keeps them low and buys the unsold bonds itself with new counterfeit notes. That essentially devalues foreign dollar reserves by diminishing their scarcity relative to goods. Thus, instead of having a short deflationary correction from which we recover, the Fed is taking us into a hyperinflationary scenario wherein biggest bond purchaser becomes the Fed and all the new money stays here at home to bid up prices. It will bid up goods far more than wages because American labor is not the labor behind most of the goods we buy. We import far more than we export, including 70% of our oil, and if we can't transport ourselves or goods as cheaply, that's going to contribute to rising prices just as much as the Fed's inflation.

Right now, the Fed's inflation really isn't making its way into circulation as banks are refusing to make the same kind of risky loans they made before. This, of course, is the smart thing to do with the huge gift taxpayers voted for when they elected Bush/Obama. But the government wants an expedient return to the high they couldn't sustain, and this generation has always been able to mortgage the future to defer unpopular pain of a recession to some future date. So the idea that they could one day fail to find a lender to finance a previous or current expenditure could be as alien to this generation of politicians as it was to Madoff. I would expect the government at some point to take them over or start forcing them to loan out the money again.

Solid post.

The trick is which direction the Fed will choose.
 
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Gotta love citing LaRoach. About the only hack that has less intelligence, logic, and rationale, than Ron Paul.

LK, the worth of what you bring to the table here in P&N has been consistently degrading. You should go for broke and see if you can be any more critical than you already are.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Gotta love citing LaRoach. About the only hack that has less intelligence, logic, and rationale, than Ron Paul.

LK, the worth of what you bring to the table here in P&N has been consistently degrading. You should go for broke and see if you can be any more critical than you already are.

Do you know anything about the communist, fascist, anti-semite, ex-con, and crackpot LaRoach?

Here. To make it easy for you, I will link Wiki. Come back after a few minutes and let me know how "degraded" my posts are in relation to the fool who listens to any analysis presented by LaRoach.

Even if my posts were degraded (and I haven't been able to post much in the last month, but even then they aren't degraded), it'd still be far above 98% of the posts here.

I also love Banshee's "negative savings rate". It was negative for a very short period of time.

http://www.bea.gov/briefrm/saving.htm

What's funny soccer, is you denigrate my post for being "degraded", yet your blowjobbery above can't even be objective enough to realize that Banshee's suppositions and analysis are flawed and full of outright lies or severe holes.
 
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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Gotta love citing LaRoach. About the only hack that has less intelligence, logic, and rationale, than Ron Paul.

LK, the worth of what you bring to the table here in P&N has been consistently degrading. You should go for broke and see if you can be any more critical than you already are.

Do you know anything about the communist, fascist, anti-semite, ex-con, and crackpot LaRoach?

Here. To make it easy for you, I will link Wiki. Come back after a few minutes and let me know how "degraded" my posts are in relation to the fool who listens to any analysis presented by LaRoach.

Even if my posts were degraded (and I haven't been able to post much in the last month, but even then they aren't degraded), it'd still be far above 98% of the posts here.

I also love Banshee's "negative savings rate". It was negative for a very short period of time.

http://www.bea.gov/briefrm/saving.htm

What's funny soccer, is you denigrate my post for being "degraded", yet your blowjobbery above can't even be objective enough to realize that Banshee's suppositions and analysis are flawed and full of outright lies or severe holes.

I'm not backing up LaRoach, I never said anything about it. I'm just talking about your general attitude and tone on this forum.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Gotta love citing LaRoach. About the only hack that has less intelligence, logic, and rationale, than Ron Paul.

LK, the worth of what you bring to the table here in P&N has been consistently degrading. You should go for broke and see if you can be any more critical than you already are.

Do you know anything about the communist, fascist, anti-semite, ex-con, and crackpot LaRoach?

Here. To make it easy for you, I will link Wiki. Come back after a few minutes and let me know how "degraded" my posts are in relation to the fool who listens to any analysis presented by LaRoach.

Even if my posts were degraded (and I haven't been able to post much in the last month, but even then they aren't degraded), it'd still be far above 98% of the posts here.

I also love Banshee's "negative savings rate". It was negative for a very short period of time.

http://www.bea.gov/briefrm/saving.htm

What's funny soccer, is you denigrate my post for being "degraded", yet your blowjobbery above can't even be objective enough to realize that Banshee's suppositions and analysis are flawed and full of outright lies or severe holes.

I'm not backing up LaRoach, I never said anything about it. I'm just talking about your general attitude and tone on this forum.

The scorn I have is saved for those who deserve it, such as RPBs who incessantly repost in thread after thread, trolling and running. After me and a few others beat them down, they run away and repost in another thread without admitting that they failed to do anything but be wrong. Just like this thread, they'll drop off of it to appear somewhere else like rats running from one sinking shit to another.

Banshee and bamacre are experts in this. They make patently false statements (such as savings rate), post ludicrous logic (hyperinflation!), and when refuted, run for the hills. The only reason why I even respond to them is to prevent the spread of vile FUD.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
The scorn I have is saved for those who deserve it, such as RPBs who incessantly repost in thread after thread, trolling and running. After me and a few others beat them down, they run away and repost in another thread without admitting that they failed to do anything but be wrong. Just like this thread, they'll drop off of it to appear somewhere else like rats running from one sinking shit to another.

Banshee and bamacre are experts in this. They make patently false statements (such as savings rate), post ludicrous logic (hyperinflation!), and when refuted, run for the hills. The only reason why I even respond to them is to prevent the spread of vile FUD.

:roll:

Have I mentioned anything about savings rates or hyperinflation in this thread? Nope, just more straw man from the seemingly King of straw man, LK.

And as for you and Evan's "running for the hills" crap, please. :roll:

I make my point and move on lots of times, and about lots of topics. People can make up their own minds, I'm not here to change your's. If you or Evan want to feel like you "won" something because you got the last word, that's your own problem, and if you want to stroke your own ego...

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Sorry, but I've gone to school, I've risen through the ranks, if anything, people like me are the backbone of this country. Same thing with people like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. We are the entrepeneurs, the pushers, the rising stars.

... it doesn't bother me one bit.
 
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Originally posted by: BansheeX
Originally posted by: soccerballtuxThe good thing about credit is you can just inflate away the debt if the middle class becomes too burdened by it.

That is only true so long as you can get away with doing it. Anyone holding dollars has the scarcity of them diminished relative to goods (the only value that matters is relative). Since we depend on massive deficits to maintain this level of government spending (this includes 60 trillion in unfunded future welfare payouts), we have to sell more and more short-term debt to foreigners in perpetuity (we have negative domestic savings). If foreigners are unwilling to buy our bonds at the current interest rate, the Fed either has to raise the rate or buy the bonds with inflation. The "problem" with raising them right now is that it will induce the "withdrawal" symptoms of our recent high, ARMs will reset at those higher rates and we will have a short depression as massive amounts of unsustainable debt is liquidated. The banking sector would essentially experience an enema, as they would be the ones taking the losses for loans on assets that were only worth the loan when seemingly endless amounts of credit was being extended to bid up the prices. Nobody realized that real credit comes from a creditor who forwent consumption to have savings. We were essentially expecting global wrist-cutting deeper to the bone each year to subsidize the ravenous American consumer who consider GDP growth to be consumption based and not production based.

Alternatively, the Fed keeps them low and buys the unsold bonds itself with new counterfeit notes. That essentially devalues foreign dollar reserves by diminishing their scarcity relative to goods. Thus, instead of having a short deflationary correction from which we recover, the Fed is taking us into a hyperinflationary scenario wherein biggest bond purchaser becomes the Fed and all the new money stays here at home to bid up prices. It will bid up goods far more than wages because American labor is not the labor behind most of the goods we buy. We import far more than we export, including 70% of our oil, and if we can't transport ourselves or goods as cheaply, that's going to contribute to rising prices just as much as the Fed's inflation.

Right now, the Fed's inflation really isn't making its way into circulation as banks are refusing to make the same kind of risky loans they made before. This, of course, is the smart thing to do with the huge gift taxpayers voted for when they elected Bush/Obama. But the government wants an expedient return to the high they couldn't sustain, and this generation has always been able to mortgage the future to defer unpopular pain of a recession to some future date. So the idea that they could one day fail to find a lender to finance a previous or current expenditure could be as alien to this generation of politicians as it was to Madoff. I would expect the government at some point to take them over or start forcing them to loan out the money again.

Hm, can you explain some more? The way I see it, the point is that it frees the middle to lower-middle class from their debt burden. So people could move their money outside America, but they can't move the debt that they will be paid back for.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
The scorn I have is saved for those who deserve it, such as RPBs who incessantly repost in thread after thread, trolling and running. After me and a few others beat them down, they run away and repost in another thread without admitting that they failed to do anything but be wrong. Just like this thread, they'll drop off of it to appear somewhere else like rats running from one sinking shit to another.

Banshee and bamacre are experts in this. They make patently false statements (such as savings rate), post ludicrous logic (hyperinflation!), and when refuted, run for the hills. The only reason why I even respond to them is to prevent the spread of vile FUD.

:roll:

Have I mentioned anything about savings rates or hyperinflation in this thread? Nope, just more straw man from the seemingly King of straw man, LK.

And as for you and Evan's "running for the hills" crap, please. :roll:

I make my point and move on lots of times, and about lots of topics. People can make up their own minds, I'm not here to change your's. If you or Evan want to feel like you "won" something because you got the last word, that's your own problem, and if you want to stroke your own ego...

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Sorry, but I've gone to school, I've risen through the ranks, if anything, people like me are the backbone of this country. Same thing with people like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. We are the entrepeneurs, the pushers, the rising stars.

... it doesn't bother me one bit.

Wow, way to play the victim card. Want me to get some tissue and eye drops to complete the performance? It was pretty evident who I was addressing what point to, but don't let that stop you from being melodramatic.

Ego? Rofl, bitch, please. The only "winning" that is done is by us consistently smacking you around this board disproving your FUD. Go back to your roach hole.
 

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
The scorn I have is saved for those who deserve it, such as RPBs who incessantly repost in thread after thread, trolling and running. After me and a few others beat them down, they run away and repost in another thread without admitting that they failed to do anything but be wrong. Just like this thread, they'll drop off of it to appear somewhere else like rats running from one sinking shit to another.

Banshee and bamacre are experts in this. They make patently false statements (such as savings rate), post ludicrous logic (hyperinflation!), and when refuted, run for the hills. The only reason why I even respond to them is to prevent the spread of vile FUD.

:roll:

Have I mentioned anything about savings rates or hyperinflation in this thread? Nope, just more straw man from the seemingly King of straw man, LK.

And as for you and Evan's "running for the hills" crap, please. :roll:

I make my point and move on lots of times, and about lots of topics. People can make up their own minds, I'm not here to change your's. If you or Evan want to feel like you "won" something because you got the last word, that's your own problem, and if you want to stroke your own ego...

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Sorry, but I've gone to school, I've risen through the ranks, if anything, people like me are the backbone of this country. Same thing with people like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. We are the entrepeneurs, the pushers, the rising stars.

... it doesn't bother me one bit.

No actually, you wimp out. You list some crap about 100% bank reserves, pegging the dollar to gold, etc. Are told about the huge negative effects they would undoubtedly cause, and your answer is...to not answer. Speaks for itself.
 

techs

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Actually, Hitler artifiically pumped up the economy because he didn't care how badly he screwed up the economy long term because he knew he planned on a war of acquisition to pay for it.
 

GeezerMan

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Originally posted by: techs
Actually, Hitler artifiically pumped up the economy because he didn't care how badly he screwed up the economy long term because he knew he planned on a war of acquisition to pay for it.

Hmmm..sounds like something George W. would do......:confused:
 

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I do not really like how this article dismisses the collective view of problems relating to the collapse, you can?t pigeon hold it to one thing. War reparations had a significant role. Public opinion and its influence played a large role as well. No one wanted to experience any monetary adverse effects of having to pay reparations, like tax increases.
 
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Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Originally posted by: techs
Actually, Hitler artifiically pumped up the economy because he didn't care how badly he screwed up the economy long term because he knew he planned on a war of acquisition to pay for it.

Hmmm..sounds like something George W. would do......:confused:

Lol, because our gas has been so cheap, oh wait it got up to $4.50/gallon before it broke the economy's back. If we actually went for oil, then we should just take it and be done with it. The fact that we haven't taken it is proof we didn't go there for it.
 

GeezerMan

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Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: GeezerMan
Originally posted by: techs
Actually, Hitler artifiically pumped up the economy because he didn't care how badly he screwed up the economy long term because he knew he planned on a war of acquisition to pay for it.

Hmmm..sounds like something George W. would do......:confused:

Lol, because our gas has been so cheap, oh wait it got up to $4.50/gallon before it broke the economy's back. If we actually went for oil, then we should just take it and be done with it. The fact that we haven't taken it is proof we didn't go there for it.

I'm trying to recall the name of the journalist who wrote that the reason we invaded Iraq was not to steal the oil, but to control it.
After reading the old Neocon PNAC that used to be available on their web page , I came away thinking how much like old imperialists they seemed.
 

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Originally posted by: feralkid
If only we had some decent Cabaret to make it tolerable.


But seriously, Hitler was a pretty shitty leader, economically speaking.


Oh, and your sig is excellent.

Your understanding or lack their of ,of hitlers germany is hugh . Germanies economy was a machine . A war Machine . Like ours now. But Hitler didn't run Industry A genius did . Since you know so much you should now his name. It beginns with an S. Had Hitler waited 3 years the world be differant, Or should I say ,If the Britts wouldn't have been scarred out of witts by germanies growing economy . Things may have turned out way differantly

 

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I hate to repeat my self. But if you guys would look at the Rothschilds family starting in Germany with the RED hat shop . I believe you can see things more clearly. RocthsChild Started Banking In Germany not ENGLAND. SO their are Gugh ties . Find out who makes wars and decides the outcome.

Have any here read the magna Carta, Its Interesting.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I hate to repeat my self. But if you guys would look at the Rothschilds family starting in Germany with the RED hat shop . I believe you can see things more clearly. RocthsChild Started Banking In Germany not ENGLAND. SO their are Gugh ties . Find out who makes wars and decides the outcome.

Have any here read the magna Carta, Its Interesting.

How does this guy keep escaping out of the crazy house?
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Hey look, Bamacre and Banshee post and run again!

You expected me to reply to your last mess of drivel? Is that what you call "running off?" :confused:
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Hey look, Bamacre and Banshee post and run again!

You expected me to reply to your last mess of drivel? Is that what you call "running off?" :confused:

You haven't addressed me or Evan, in fact, as usual, you just ran away!
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Hey look, Bamacre and Banshee post and run again!

You expected me to reply to your last mess of drivel? Is that what you call "running off?" :confused:

You haven't addressed me or Evan, in fact, as usual, you just ran away!

So you expected me to reply to...

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Wow, way to play the victim card. Want me to get some tissue and eye drops to complete the performance? It was pretty evident who I was addressing what point to, but don't let that stop you from being melodramatic.

Ego? Rofl, bitch, please. The only "winning" that is done is by us consistently smacking you around this board disproving your FUD. Go back to your roach hole.

and this...?
Originally posted by: Evan
No actually, you wimp out. You list some crap about 100% bank reserves, pegging the dollar to gold, etc. Are told about the huge negative effects they would undoubtedly cause, and your answer is...to not answer. Speaks for itself.


If you look back at the thread, I participated when we were discussing ideas. I'm not going to continue responding to drivel.