Weight gain shake occaisonally causing bowel problems

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

The real reason he is having bowel problems is because of the Lactose in the powder, many companies like Optimum Nutrition add the Lactase enzyme to their formula for easier digestion. I would recommend using ON's whey powder, you will have much less "cleansing" because of the lactase.

Thank you.
But how do you know there is lactose in the powder? I'm lactose intolerant, and this seems like a good explaination.

There is lactose in whey.

Milk and milk products are the only natural sources of lactose. However, dry milk powder, whey, curds, and milk solids are common ingredients in processed foods.

Also, I forgot AMINOGEN, which, aside from lactase, Opt Nut includes with their protein to help even further with digestion.

 

[bluehorizon]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: bluehorizon
I just visited the site you linked. That stuff is CRAP. 23 grams of protein you can get by drinking a large glass of milk. You can get that many carbs by eating a small apple. Why would anyone spend money on that garbage?

EDIT: It has creatine in it? And they recommend up to 4 doses a day? That would be 20 grams of creatine a day. That's rediculous. Any more than 5 grams passes through your body, or it gets caught up in your kidneys and liver, and can cause serious damage. Absolute crap. And you wonder why you have gastrointestinal problems.

Where to begin with this misinformation? Yes, you can get 23 grams of protein, but that's CASEIN protein, whereas EAS uses a WHEY protein concentrate for mass building. There's a huge difference between the two, it's evident that you cannot discern between proteins that are more efficient for mass building.

Second, show me a link to a study that proves that creatine can cause "serious damage". Then you proceed to correlate three entirely different areas of the body, the kidney/liver/GI Tract as the target of creatine's damage?? lol If you are a doctor or a nurse then hell hath just frozen over.

The real reason he is having bowel problems is because of the Lactose in the powder, many companies like Optimum Nutrition add the Lactase enzyme to their formula for easier digestion. I would recommend using ON's whey powder, you will have much less "cleansing" because of the lactase.

The protein I use is a Whey protein. Don't assume. I wouldn't take anything else.

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/browse/sku_detail.jhtml;$sessionid$1U03VALDNCJSUCQUAOYCM4QKCQB00GXK?SkuID=135799&BreadCrumbType=SearchResult

Anything in excess is bad for you. There have been studies that show the body can only absorb about 5 grams of creatine a day. Search for it on Google. The whole "loading" phase is crap. In those studies, after a month or so, the body has the same levels of creatine whether you "load" or just take 5 grams a day. No, I'm not a doctor, of course, but I am a trainer, and I've done plenty of research on creatine. Mainly, because I used to take it. I don't anymore, because there havn't been any studies that prove creatine does NOT cause kidney damage, while there have been reports that it has.

 

[yhelothar]

I'm usually not affected by processed milk, or even milk with lots of additives. I even can often drink chocolate milk with no problem.
Processed milk should not contain lactose. My mom is a nurse and she showed me an article on one of her nursing magazines that reports this.
Do you have any suggestions of where I can buy a large bulk container of protein(10-25lbs)?

 

[bluehorizon]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: bluehorizon

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Yea, I use a protein powder from the Vitamine Shoppe, Body Tech (their own brand), which costs about $17 and lasts a good 2.5 months. I mix it with Skim milk, maybe twice a day. That's all you need for supplements. Weight gainers are all useless IMO. If you want to gain weight, you need to eat more often and include a good amount of protein with each meal. People think it's difficult to eat 6 small meals a day, when in fact it's very easy. You can go to Costco and buy a large bag of frozen fat free chicken breats and have enough meals for a week with just that. Plus, you won't spend obscene amounts of money supplementing meals.

Salt is good for the soul :roll:
Not to mention all the chemicals they must've used to make the meat fat free.

Oh my god... don't even try.

Your crappy protein shake = 75 mg cholesterol, 45 calories from fat, Total fat 4 grams
Skinless chicken breast = 15 mg cholesterol, 1 calorie from fat, Total fat 0.2 grams

Thanks for proving my point, dumbass.

Also, chicken breast is inherently low in fat. If you pull the fat off, it won't have any fat on it. Novel concept, no?

Chicken breasts and tuna are great ways to build lean muscle mass, however it's impossible to get your daily protein needed (2g per 1lb of person's weight for someone bodybuilding) without taking protein shakes. They complement each other very nicely IMO.

I agree. I take a shake myself. However, what this guy uses is utter crap. Any protein shake with creatine in it is crap. People know the word Creatine and think it'll help them, so they add it to sell more product. Not to mention the quality of the creatine. Creapure is the only creatine that should be taken, IMO. The others have impurities. The EAS stuff likely has unpure creatine.

Also, it's one gram of protein per pound of body weight. That's the general rule. Actually, it's more like 1.12 grams, but who's counting

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I'm usually not affected by processed milk, or even milk with lots of additives. I even can often drink chocolate milk with no problem.
Processed milk should not contain lactose. My mom is a nurse and she showed me an article on one of her nursing magazines that reports this.
Do you have any suggestions of where I can buy a large bulk container of protein(10-25lbs)?

Sure, check out DPSNutrition.net, I get most of my stuff from there. Occasionally Vitaglo will have a good sale too.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: bluehorizon

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: bluehorizon

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Yea, I use a protein powder from the Vitamine Shoppe, Body Tech (their own brand), which costs about $17 and lasts a good 2.5 months. I mix it with Skim milk, maybe twice a day. That's all you need for supplements. Weight gainers are all useless IMO. If you want to gain weight, you need to eat more often and include a good amount of protein with each meal. People think it's difficult to eat 6 small meals a day, when in fact it's very easy. You can go to Costco and buy a large bag of frozen fat free chicken breats and have enough meals for a week with just that. Plus, you won't spend obscene amounts of money supplementing meals.

Salt is good for the soul :roll:
Not to mention all the chemicals they must've used to make the meat fat free.

Oh my god... don't even try.

Your crappy protein shake = 75 mg cholesterol, 45 calories from fat, Total fat 4 grams
Skinless chicken breast = 15 mg cholesterol, 1 calorie from fat, Total fat 0.2 grams

Thanks for proving my point, dumbass.

Also, chicken breast is inherently low in fat. If you pull the fat off, it won't have any fat on it. Novel concept, no?

Chicken breasts and tuna are great ways to build lean muscle mass, however it's impossible to get your daily protein needed (2g per 1lb of person's weight for someone bodybuilding) without taking protein shakes. They complement each other very nicely IMO.

I agree. I take a shake myself. However, what this guy uses is utter crap. Any protein shake with creatine in it is crap. People know the word Creatine and think it'll help them, so they add it to sell more product. Not to mention the quality of the creatine. Creapure is the only creatine that should be taken, IMO. The others have impurities. The EAS stuff likely has unpure creatine.

Also, it's one gram of protein per pound of body weight. That's the general rule. Actually, it's more like 1.12 grams, but who's counting

AST (www.ast-ss.com), one of the premier bodybuilding sites, recommends around 2g/1lb weight. However, it depends how much you're building, if you're into powerlifter or mass building, then 2g should be enough. But in the least, yes, 1-2g is a good estimate.

 

[marcello]

The big mistake you're making is coming here for health advice. You're going to ask a bunch of computer nerds what's the best way to eat healthy? Sorry to those of you who know what you're talking about, but most here likely know jack sh|t. Anyways, here's a great site with tons of good Nutritional Info and Workout info:

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com

This site is dedicated to scientific conclusions about weight gain, weight lifting, and nutrition. Check it out, you won't be sorry.

 

[bluehorizon]

"AST (www.ast-ss.com), one of the premier bodybuilding sites, recommends around 2g/1lb weight. However, it depends how much you're building, if you're into powerlifter or mass building, then 2g should be enough. But in the least, yes, 1-2g is a good estimate."

A.C.E swears by 1 gram per pound, unless you're a hardcore lifter. For most people, like myself, who go to the gym 3-5 times a week, 1 gram/pound is sufficient. It's really not difficult to consume that much. A can of Tuna is almost 40 grams; if you weigh 180, that's about a 4th of your daily total right there.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: bluehorizon

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: bluehorizon
I just visited the site you linked. That stuff is CRAP. 23 grams of protein you can get by drinking a large glass of milk. You can get that many carbs by eating a small apple. Why would anyone spend money on that garbage?

EDIT: It has creatine in it? And they recommend up to 4 doses a day? That would be 20 grams of creatine a day. That's rediculous. Any more than 5 grams passes through your body, or it gets caught up in your kidneys and liver, and can cause serious damage. Absolute crap. And you wonder why you have gastrointestinal problems.

Where to begin with this misinformation? Yes, you can get 23 grams of protein, but that's CASEIN protein, whereas EAS uses a WHEY protein concentrate for mass building. There's a huge difference between the two, it's evident that you cannot discern between proteins that are more efficient for mass building.

Second, show me a link to a study that proves that creatine can cause "serious damage". Then you proceed to correlate three entirely different areas of the body, the kidney/liver/GI Tract as the target of creatine's damage?? lol If you are a doctor or a nurse then hell hath just frozen over.

The real reason he is having bowel problems is because of the Lactose in the powder, many companies like Optimum Nutrition add the Lactase enzyme to their formula for easier digestion. I would recommend using ON's whey powder, you will have much less "cleansing" because of the lactase.

The protein I use is a Whey protein. Don't assume. I wouldn't take anything else.

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/browse/sku_detail.jhtml;$sessionid$1U03VALDNCJSUCQUAOYCM4QKCQB00GXK?SkuID=135799&BreadCrumbType=SearchResult

Anything in excess is bad for you. There have been studies that show the body can only absorb about 5 grams of creatine a day. Search for it on Google. The whole "loading" phase is crap. In those studies, after a month or so, the body has the same levels of creatine whether you "load" or just take 5 grams a day. No, I'm not a doctor, of course, but I am a trainer, and I've done plenty of research on creatine. Mainly, because I used to take it. I don't anymore, because there havn't been any studies that prove creatine does NOT cause kidney damage, while there have been reports that it has.

I was referring to the fact that you had suggested the person drink a large glass of milk: "...23 grams of protein you can get by drinking a large glass of milk." vice a serving of the EAS Weight Gainer, you will get your technical 23 grams of protein. However, the High % Whey content from EAS is a higher quality protein vice the casein from the milk. That was the point I was trying to make, the EAS is in fact a better option for mass building versus a large glass of milk, just as 90-100% pure whey isolate would be of a much higher quality for building mass vice the EAS Whey concentrate formula.

Edit: I also used to bodybuild, quit 8 months ago in my quest to become to a Phys Therapist. Almost finished all required Anat/Physiology classes so far.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: marcello
The big mistake you're making is coming here for health advice. You're going to ask a bunch of computer nerds what's the best way to eat healthy? Sorry to those of you who know what you're talking about, but most here likely know jack sh|t. Anyways, here's a great site with tons of good Nutritional Info and Workout info:

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com

This site is dedicated to scientific conclusions about weight gain, weight lifting, and nutrition. Check it out, you won't be sorry.

I must be a hybrid geek, I was benching double my weight last year.
IMO AST is the premier site for scientific research and products, I don't recall ABCBodybuilding.com producing any 5X and 2X Team Universe Champions, but maybe it's just me. lol

 

[purbeast0]

yo sp33demon ... where in maryland do you workout?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
yo sp33demon ... where in maryland do you workout?

I'm in Southern MD, workout at Pro Fitness, local gym franchise, don't know if they have it up your way...

 

[purbeast0]

oh nah i just go to bally's in rockville. i got a cheap membership there paying like $109/yr, like $9/mo. not too bad

 

[bluehorizon]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
oh nah i just go to bally's in rockville. i got a cheap membership there paying like $109/yr, like $9/mo. not too bad

I used to go there, until I tried to cancel my "contract" and they refused. I eventually got it nulled, but what a pain in the ass. I go to Sport and Health at the Rio now.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
oh nah i just go to bally's in rockville. i got a cheap membership there paying like $109/yr, like $9/mo. not too bad

Holy crap that's a great deal. I'm paying $43 a month!! Argh, which reminds me, I really have to cancel my membership. Just got a cheapo weight set, and a recumbent bike for cardio, so won't be needing the gym anymore

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Sorry to jack the thread, but it seems that's happened a couple times already anyway.

Is it really necessary to take in 2g of protein per 1 lb of body weight to build lean muscle? I've been told that shakes and other protein supplements are unnecessary unless you're REALLY trying to bulk up, and the average protein intake of a good diet is plenty for a typical lifter.

 

[yhelothar]

Yes I'm REALLY trying to bulk up.
I'm a wimpy looking asian. 5'6 115lbs.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes I'm REALLY trying to bulk up.
I'm a wimpy looking asian. 5'6 115lbs.

Question wasn't directed at the OP, just a general curiousity thing.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Sorry to jack the thread, but it seems that's happened a couple times already anyway.

Is it really necessary to take in 2g of protein per 1 lb of body weight to build lean muscle? I've been told that shakes and other protein supplements are unnecessary unless you're REALLY trying to bulk up, and the average protein intake of a good diet is plenty for a typical lifter.

It depends, if you're going low rep/high weight to muscle failure, then yes you will need more due to a higher % recruitment of motor units to complete a lift.

Try using the Nutritional Calculator. These numbers are meant for building mass, and low rep (4-6) /high weight to muscle failure workouts. I've found that the protein recommendations are usually close to 2X your body weight, although there is no definitive research that suggests that much is necessary. However, it's never bad to err on the high side to make sure you're maximizing your gains.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes I'm REALLY trying to bulk up.
I'm a wimpy looking asian. 5'6 115lbs.

Yea you are wimpy

5' 10" 190 Asian

 

[bluehorizon]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Sorry to jack the thread, but it seems that's happened a couple times already anyway.

Is it really necessary to take in 2g of protein per 1 lb of body weight to build lean muscle? I've been told that shakes and other protein supplements are unnecessary unless you're REALLY trying to bulk up, and the average protein intake of a good diet is plenty for a typical lifter.

1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight is sufficient for most people. An average diet really doesn't give you enough protein to build mass. Your muscles need protein to grow. Without adequate amounts of protein, they won't grow. The more you feed your muscles, the more they'll develope after a workout. This is why bodybuilders consume more protein than normal lifters.

You don't need protein supplements to get all of your allotment of protein for the day, but it sure helps. Of course, it's best to eat normal foods, but a good whey shake once or twice a day won't hurt.

 

[bluehorizon]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yes I'm REALLY trying to bulk up.
I'm a wimpy looking asian. 5'6 115lbs.

Wow you're scrawny. No wonder you know nothing about sports supplementation. You're the exact demographic EAS likes to market to.

 

[bluehorizon]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Um look at the site's information and compare it to the one on the label.
Serving size 3scoops (87g)
vs Serving size 4 scoops(166g)
Nice job owning yourself again, moron.

It's not my fault your site contradicts itself.

Nice how you ignore my other points. Typical

 

[cchen]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
oh nah i just go to bally's in rockville. i got a cheap membership there paying like $109/yr, like $9/mo. not too bad

teh ballys in rockville is perhaps one of the dirtiest gyms i have ever been to. i'd rather pay more to have a better gym, clean gym

 

[cchen]

Originally posted by: bluehorizon

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: bluehorizon

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Yea, I use a protein powder from the Vitamine Shoppe, Body Tech (their own brand), which costs about $17 and lasts a good 2.5 months. I mix it with Skim milk, maybe twice a day. That's all you need for supplements. Weight gainers are all useless IMO. If you want to gain weight, you need to eat more often and include a good amount of protein with each meal. People think it's difficult to eat 6 small meals a day, when in fact it's very easy. You can go to Costco and buy a large bag of frozen fat free chicken breats and have enough meals for a week with just that. Plus, you won't spend obscene amounts of money supplementing meals.

Salt is good for the soul :roll:
Not to mention all the chemicals they must've used to make the meat fat free.

Oh my god... don't even try.

Your crappy protein shake = 75 mg cholesterol, 45 calories from fat, Total fat 4 grams
Skinless chicken breast = 15 mg cholesterol, 1 calorie from fat, Total fat 0.2 grams

Thanks for proving my point, dumbass.

Also, chicken breast is inherently low in fat. If you pull the fat off, it won't have any fat on it. Novel concept, no?

Chicken breasts and tuna are great ways to build lean muscle mass, however it's impossible to get your daily protein needed (2g per 1lb of person's weight for someone bodybuilding) without taking protein shakes. They complement each other very nicely IMO.

I agree. I take a shake myself. However, what this guy uses is utter crap. Any protein shake with creatine in it is crap. People know the word Creatine and think it'll help them, so they add it to sell more product. Not to mention the quality of the creatine. Creapure is the only creatine that should be taken, IMO. The others have impurities. The EAS stuff likely has unpure creatine.

Also, it's one gram of protein per pound of body weight. That's the general rule. Actually, it's more like 1.12 grams, but who's counting

actually, its more like 1-2 g per pound of lean body weight. anyway, don't discount protein shakes with creatine in them. they work, but are wayy overpriced and can be made at home for much less the cost.