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[mugs]

Originally posted by: slvrsol

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Conference:

USC: 1st.
Michigan: 2nd.

Winner: USC

You're penalizing Michigan simply because they're in the same conference as the best team in the country?

More like he believes that you should win your conference to play in the NC game.

Yeah that's stupid, because it's very possible for the best two teams to be in the same conference. If there were playoffs, those two teams would meet in a playoff game before the national championship game. Without playoffs, I think it's stupid to bar the second best team in the country from the national championship game simply because of what conference they're in.

 

[ranmaniac]

So as long as USC loses, I don't care who wins.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: slvrsol

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Conference:

USC: 1st.
Michigan: 2nd.

Winner: USC

You're penalizing Michigan simply because they're in the same conference as the best team in the country?

More like he believes that you should win your conference to play in the NC game.

Yeah that's stupid, because it's very possible for the best two teams to be in the same conference. If there were playoffs, those two teams would meet in a playoff game before the national championship game. Without playoffs, I think it's stupid to bar the second best team in the country from the national championship game simply because of what conference they're in.

If there was a playoff, and Ohio and Michigan were already guaranteed spots in the playoff before the Nov. 18th game, then where's the incentive to play on Nov. 18th?

 

[slvrsol]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: slvrsol

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Conference:

USC: 1st.
Michigan: 2nd.

Winner: USC

You're penalizing Michigan simply because they're in the same conference as the best team in the country?

More like he believes that you should win your conference to play in the NC game.

Yeah that's stupid, because it's very possible for the best two teams to be in the same conference. If there were playoffs, those two teams would meet in a playoff game before the national championship game. Without playoffs, I think it's stupid to bar the second best team in the country from the national championship game simply because of what conference they're in.

Possibly, but with the regular season is so important, tOSU and Mich knew what was at stake coming in. Last week was basically a playoff game for both teams. In college football.. once you lose, you are automatically dropped a few spots down as it should be in a ranking type system. Michigan was fortunate to even stay at #2.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Lets compare if USC beats UCLA next weekend.

Record.
USC: 11-1
Michigan: 11-1

Winner: Same

Loss Opponent.
USC: Oregon State.
Michigan: Ohio State.

Winner: Michigan

Quality wins:

USC: Arkansas, Cal, Notre Dame, Nebraska.
Michigan: Notre Dame, Wisconsin.

Winner: USC

Conference:

USC: 1st.
Michigan: 2nd.

Winner: USC

So that gives USC 2 points and Michigan 1 point. USC is barely better in my comparisons and they are barely better in the BCS points. Sounds good to me.

The real question though, is how good is the Big-10? Ohio State beat Texas and Texas has turned out to not be very good and will finish 3rd in the Big-12, and then they barely beat Michigan who beat Wisconsin (who's questionable with their extremely pathetic schedule) and Notre Dame...which isn't much of a team either...

It's very close between Florida, Michigan and USC. It really isn't fair that only one team has a shot at this game. But since USC lost earlier and they haven't already played OSU, everyone wants to anoint them the #2 team.

Explain to me why USC's win at home over Notre Dame on Saturday is more impressive to human voters than Michigan's victory on the road against the same ND team. I mean, if you really want to compare USC and Michigan, go look at the statistics from their games against Notre Dame. Michigan destroyed Notre Dame and held them to FOUR rushing yards. Meanwhile, USC and Notre Dame had almost identical offensive numbers on Saturday.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: slvrsol

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Conference:

USC: 1st.
Michigan: 2nd.

Winner: USC

You're penalizing Michigan simply because they're in the same conference as the best team in the country?

More like he believes that you should win your conference to play in the NC game.

The BCS championship game has nothing to do with winning your conference. If anything, it created a loophole for teams who didn't win their conference to get a shot at a national championship.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: slvrsol

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Conference:

USC: 1st.
Michigan: 2nd.

Winner: USC

You're penalizing Michigan simply because they're in the same conference as the best team in the country?

More like he believes that you should win your conference to play in the NC game.

Yeah that's stupid, because it's very possible for the best two teams to be in the same conference. If there were playoffs, those two teams would meet in a playoff game before the national championship game. Without playoffs, I think it's stupid to bar the second best team in the country from the national championship game simply because of what conference they're in.

If there was a playoff, and Ohio and Michigan were already guaranteed spots in the playoff before the Nov. 18th game, then where's the incentive to play on Nov. 18th?

Because it's Michigan v Ohio State. They don't need any more incentive than that.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: slvrsol

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Conference:

USC: 1st.
Michigan: 2nd.

Winner: USC

You're penalizing Michigan simply because they're in the same conference as the best team in the country?

More like he believes that you should win your conference to play in the NC game.

Yeah that's stupid, because it's very possible for the best two teams to be in the same conference. If there were playoffs, those two teams would meet in a playoff game before the national championship game. Without playoffs, I think it's stupid to bar the second best team in the country from the national championship game simply because of what conference they're in.

If there was a playoff, and Ohio and Michigan were already guaranteed spots in the playoff before the Nov. 18th game, then where's the incentive to play on Nov. 18th?

Because it's Michigan v Ohio State. They don't need any more incentive than that.

So why play them hard now when you can play them hard in the playoffs when it actually means something?

 

[Syringer]

It's simple..The fact that Mich and OSU are in the same division mean they will meet once every year, and only the winner..and therefore the better team should be given a chance at the NC.

In any professional sport the best two teams don't always meet in the championship game, sometimes it's in an earlier round, sometimes it is in the finals. In this case, assuming Michigan is better than USC, because they lost already to OSU, which is like losing an AFC championship game..the prelude to the Super Bowl, they should not get another chance in the NC.

That said, as it stands, pollsters believe SC is the #2 team in the nation, and the computers agree with them as well..

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: mugs
You're penalizing Michigan simply because they're in the same conference as the best team in the country?

I already gave Michigan the win in the opponents loss category.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: slvrsol

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Conference:

USC: 1st.
Michigan: 2nd.

Winner: USC

You're penalizing Michigan simply because they're in the same conference as the best team in the country?

More like he believes that you should win your conference to play in the NC game.

Yeah that's stupid, because it's very possible for the best two teams to be in the same conference. If there were playoffs, those two teams would meet in a playoff game before the national championship game. Without playoffs, I think it's stupid to bar the second best team in the country from the national championship game simply because of what conference they're in.

If there was a playoff, and Ohio and Michigan were already guaranteed spots in the playoff before the Nov. 18th game, then where's the incentive to play on Nov. 18th?

Because it's Michigan v Ohio State. They don't need any more incentive than that.

So why play them hard now when you can play them hard in the playoffs when it actually means something?

Same reason every team plays hard in the regular season in sports leagues with playoffs... your seed matters. Higher seeds play easier teams.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: mugs
You're penalizing Michigan simply because they're in the same conference as the best team in the country?

I already gave Michigan the win in the opponents loss category.

How gracious of you to not penalize them for not losing to an unranked team 😕

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
USC is clearly worthy of the #2 spot in all polls.

o rly? clearly, you say? shens.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: mugs
How gracious of you to not penalize them for not losing to an unranked team 😕

First of all Oregon State is ranked 24th and is playing really great football. But okay, we'll throw out the conference championship category since Michigan had to play the best team in the country. Instead, we will include total strength of schedule. Arizona, Oregon, Washington State, UCLA, and Arizona State are all 6+ win teams and are much better than Penn State, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Michigan State, and Illinois.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Syringer
It's simple..The fact that Mich and OSU are in the same division mean they will meet once every year, and only the winner..and therefore the better team should be given a chance at the NC.

In any professional sport the best two teams don't always meet in the championship game, sometimes it's in an earlier round, sometimes it is in the finals. In this case, assuming Michigan is better than USC, because they lost already to OSU, which is like losing an AFC championship game..the prelude to the Super Bowl, they should not get another chance in the NC.

That said, as it stands, pollsters believe SC is the #2 team in the nation, and the computers agree with them as well..

Thank you. Finally some sense.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
USC is clearly worthy of the #2 spot in all polls.

So is Michigan.

I really hope USC loses to UCLA. USC will lose by two touchdowns if they play OSU.

Not a chance. Give Pete Carrol and his coaching staff 6 whole weeks to game plan for one team and we'll definitely see a close game. I'd even go so far as to say that it's a winable game for USC with that much prep time.

I do kind of feel for Michigan but I don't think it would really be fair to Ohio St. to have to play them again.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: mugs
How gracious of you to not penalize them for not losing to an unranked team 😕

First of all Oregon State is ranked 24th and is playing really great football. But okay, we'll throw out the conference championship category since Michigan had to play the best team in the country. Instead, we will include total strength of schedule. Arizona, Oregon, Washington State, UCLA, and Arizona State are all 6+ win teams and are much better than Penn State, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Michigan State, and Illinois.

IMO, The Big Ten is one of the worst BCS conferences top to bottom this year. They have two great teams and bunch of weak ones. There are a lot of teams from other BCS conferences that could have the same record as Wisconsin if they played the same schedule.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: mugs
How gracious of you to not penalize them for not losing to an unranked team 😕

First of all Oregon State is ranked 24th and is playing really great football. But okay, we'll throw out the conference championship category since Michigan had to play the best team in the country. Instead, we will include total strength of schedule. Arizona, Oregon, Washington State, UCLA, and Arizona State are all 6+ win teams and are much better than Penn State, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Michigan State, and Illinois.

IMO, The Big Ten is one of the worst BCS conferences top to bottom this year. They have two great teams and bunch of weak ones. There are a lot of teams from other BCS conferences that could have the same record as Wisconsin if they played the same schedule.

Um... i dont care what you say, but Iowa was and still is a good team. Wisconsin always has an amazing running game, dont know how, but they always do.

there is no reason to say the Big 10 is weak. when you have 3 top 10 teams in the conference, its hard to say they are weak.

let's not forget, if those other teams didnt have to play OSU/UM/Wisc, then their records would obviously be much better as well...

anyways, someone will have fun in the game vs ND, i predict they get blown out, again.

maybe Wisc vs ND would be a good one. just let another big 10 team blow them to pieces.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: mugs
How gracious of you to not penalize them for not losing to an unranked team 😕

First of all Oregon State is ranked 24th and is playing really great football. But okay, we'll throw out the conference championship category since Michigan had to play the best team in the country. Instead, we will include total strength of schedule. Arizona, Oregon, Washington State, UCLA, and Arizona State are all 6+ win teams and are much better than Penn State, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Michigan State, and Illinois.

IMO, The Big Ten is one of the worst BCS conferences top to bottom this year. They have two great teams and bunch of weak ones. There are a lot of teams from other BCS conferences that could have the same record as Wisconsin if they played the same schedule.

Um... i dont care what you say, but Iowa was and still is a good team. Wisconsin always has an amazing running game, dont know how, but they always do.

there is no reason to say the Big 10 is weak. when you have 3 top 10 teams in the conference, its hard to say they are weak.

let's not forget, if those other teams didnt have to play OSU/UM/Wisc, then their records would obviously be much better as well...

anyways, someone will have fun in the game vs ND, i predict they get blown out, again.

maybe Wisc vs ND would be a good one. just let another big 10 team blow them to pieces.

the 3 top 10 teams argument wouldn't apply if every team played each other (ala pac-10) or if they had championship game (like sec, big 12 etc)

also wisconsin , the 3rd best team in big 10 has played a really easy schedule
this is the record of teams its beaten to go 11-1

4-8
2-9
5-7
4-8
6-6
8-5
2-10
8-4
6-6
2-10

that explains why it isn't moving up on any 2 loss teams in polls or computers

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: mugs
You're penalizing Michigan simply because they're in the same conference as the best team in the country?

I already gave Michigan the win in the opponents loss category.

How gracious of you to not penalize them for not losing to an unranked team 😕

This is ridiculous, after USC beats UCLA they will have beaten THREE teams who beat the team that got lucky on one Saturday. I don't see their loss as a big deal at this point, especially with the ridiculous schedule they've played. They are slightly better than Michigan at this point and everyone will agree.

Also, you are missing the point that many are making about them not winning the division. Take MLB for example. Everyone knows that the Red Sox/Yankees are usually the best two teams every year, but neither of them will play each other in the WS even though they are the two best. Hell, before the wild card was introduced, they didn't even have a chance to meet each other in the playoffs. So basically the regular season series rivalry games were the real WS, just as the OSU/Michigan game may have been. Win your division and be rewarded with the national title game, it's that simple. Both Tressel and Lloyd Carr agree, and it's not that hard to understand.

From a financial standpoint, USC/OSU would generate just as much $$$ and hype as Michigan/OSU. From a geographical standpoint, many more USC fans would travel vs Michigan because it's way closer to AZ. I know personally I would probably watch at least the first half to see if USC can hang and not get blown out. I wouldn't watch a rematch with UM, however, because the Michigan mystique of having a great defense is gone now. The golden standard test was how they played vs OSU, and they failed miserably.

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: mugs
How gracious of you to not penalize them for not losing to an unranked team 😕

First of all Oregon State is ranked 24th and is playing really great football. But okay, we'll throw out the conference championship category since Michigan had to play the best team in the country. Instead, we will include total strength of schedule. Arizona, Oregon, Washington State, UCLA, and Arizona State are all 6+ win teams and are much better than Penn State, Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Michigan State, and Illinois.

Too bad USC barely won some of those games and Michigan didnt even play Purdue or Illinois.

 

[jlbenedict]

The NCAA needs to do another realignment of the conferences. Move a few teams around, and create conferences where there are two divisions for each conference.

For instance, add another team to the Big Ten, and divide it up. Throw Michigan in the Big Ten "North" Division and Ohio St. in the Big Ten "South" division. The schedule involves playing each team in your division once, and three teams from the other division (alternating schools every two years). That would be 8 division games. Schedule two non-conference games; you then have 10 games, and then each division winner goes to the Big Ten Championship game.
This could help eliminate all the "but we're 11-1 also" garbage. Win your conference championship, then you can talk BCS championship.

If all the conferences were like this, this would be as close to a playoff as you can get; without technically implementing the playoff system.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Not a chance. Give Pete Carrol and his coaching staff 6 whole weeks to game plan for one team and we'll definitely see a close game.

Don't forget that Jim Tressel is at least as good at game planning as Pete Carrol is.

 

[chambersc]

May have been answered but why isn't Michigan #2, still?! Look at the scored vs. ND below:


USC v ND: 44-24
Michigan v ND: 47-21


...so why aren't they #2 and USC #3 again?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: chambersc
May have been answered but why isn't Michigan #2, still?! Look at the scored vs. ND below:


USC v ND: 44-24
Michigan v ND: 47-21


...so why aren't they #2 and USC #3 again?

Read the rest of the thread, wins later in the season count more because coaches have more film to pull from to prepare for each other. Also, USC had to survive the revenge factor from last year. Both wins are impressive, even though IMO the ND that USC beat was a tougher ND than the one Michigan beat.