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Webb steps out of the way of the Obama bus

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lupi

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In light of his recent press release that he will not accept the democratic VP slot, for the ATP&N crowd I will happily claim sole credit for this action. (Well, I did write his office so that obviously gives me that power)

Besides the other obvious implications, I am much happier to see how he turns out as a senator (even though his GI Bill proposal was a bit bloated, but since I will benefit from it with the current leanings of ATP&N I guess the proper stance is to say I really support it and it's not just for pandering to my self interest).

Word is coming out now that Warner has also pulled his name from the VP list, guess that still leaves Edwards or Gore...
 
I was hoping that Webb would fill the VP spot for Obama and NOT Edwards or Gore (I really don't like those guys).

Webb is probably one of the more practical / moderate politicians we have and which we need more of.
 
Originally posted by: lupi
In light of his recent press release that he will not accept the democratic VP slot, for the ATP&N crowd I will happily claim sole credit for this action. (Well, I did write his office so that obviously gives me that power)

Besides the other obvious implications, I am much happier to see how he turns out as a senator (even though his GI Bill proposal was a bit bloated, but since I will benefit from it with the current leanings of ATP&N I guess the proper stance is to say I really support it and it's not just for pandering to my self interest).

Word is coming out now that Warner has also pulled his name from the VP list, guess that still leaves Edwards or Gore...
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Webb was too young anyway. It never would've looked good.
 
Too bad - I was hoping he'd be the guy. I guess his announcement doesn't entirely rule him out, but it makes it a lot less likely that he'll be the running mate.

I think Edwards would be an awful choice, as he is if anything less qualified than Obama, and thus doesn't really add much to the ticket. Gore would be OK, as would Bill Richardson (though other things being equal I think it would be better for Obama to have a white running mate).
 
Edwards has a minuscule shot at being VP and Gore has a zero % chance.

Edwards has shown to not be very popular with the voters even though his message/stance on some issues is very populous and Gore just would bring back too much of the "dynasty" talk (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton-wannabe/insider)

The likely VP will be either Richardson or Clark. Richardson brings international policy experience (former UN Ambassador) , executive level experience (former Gov.) and helps garner some of the Latino vote. Clark brings big time military experience (4 star Gen.) and executive level experience (former Commander of NATO forces for all of Europe).
 
I am certainly thrilled to see lupi calling all the democratic shots for the democrats. Hint hint hint, troll under your own bridge. McCain has far bigger problems and he needs your help in picking a VP because the GOP platform is crumbling under the weight of delusion and denial.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
I am certainly thrilled to see lupi calling all the democratic shots for the democrats. Hint hint hint, troll under your own bridge. McCain has far bigger problems and he needs your help in picking a VP because the GOP platform is crumbling under the weight of delusion and denial.
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Thank You, LL. There are still many prominent Dems who'd gladly run for vice-pres on the Obama ticket- it's not like he'll have to go begging.

McCain's choices are tougher, since he's running on the I'm-not-really-a-Republican platform... It's like claiming you're not snakebit when the critter is still clamped onto your leg...
 
I mostly agree with Jhhnn when he says--There are still many prominent Dems who'd gladly run for vice-pres on the Obama ticket- it's not like he'll have to go begging.

The thing I would add is that gladly has little to do with it and there are also some who have already basically said I am not interested in the VP slot, but who will, if asked by Obama, will run for the good of the party.

Perhaps the most famous GOP VP refusenick was Theodore Roosevelt, but the New York State GOP establishment was determined to get rid of their reform minded Governor and convinced McKinley to nominate Roosevelt for his running mate while Roosevelt, aware of the possibility, did everything in his power to dump cold water on any desire on his part for the GOP VP slot. But the New York delegation got their way, and TR was on the horns of a dilemma. In his biographies he reasoned thus, if he turned it down, he was finished in politics, because a man not good enough for the VP is a man not good for anything. So he did accept the VP slot, and when McKinley had an unfortunate encounter with an assassin, TR went on to be, IMHO, a damn fine President.
 
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Webb would have been nice, but there are other choices just as good (Clark).
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He would have gotten respect from the military esþablishment and those with security concerns with that pick, but after Clarks tiff about Mccain and subsequent trip under the Obama bus, the pundits are giving his selection a rather low likelyhood now.
 
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Webb would have been nice, but there are other choices just as good (Clark).
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He would have gotten respect from the military esþablishment and those with security concerns with that pick, but after Clarks tiff about Mccain and subsequent trip under the Obama bus, the pundits are giving his selection a rather low likelyhood now.
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Aren't VPs supposed to be attack dogs?
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: lupi
In light of his recent press release that he will not accept the democratic VP slot, for the ATP&N crowd I will happily claim sole credit for this action. (Well, I did write his office so that obviously gives me that power)

Besides the other obvious implications, I am much happier to see how he turns out as a senator (even though his GI Bill proposal was a bit bloated, but since I will benefit from it with the current leanings of ATP&N I guess the proper stance is to say I really support it and it's not just for pandering to my self interest).

Word is coming out now that Warner has also pulled his name from the VP list, guess that still leaves Edwards or Gore...
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Webb was too young anyway. It never would've looked good.
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Well, if 62 years of age is to young then HOW old do you want the VP choice to be?
 
He would have been a good choice. National security experience, Secretary of the Navy, son in Iraq and doesn't take any poo from the likes of Bush. This opens the door for Biden?, maybe Clark or Richardson?. Hopefully Clark.
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: lupi
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Webb would have been nice, but there are other choices just as good (Clark).
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He would have gotten respect from the military esþablishment and those with security concerns with that pick, but after Clarks tiff about Mccain and subsequent trip under the Obama bus, the pundits are giving his selection a rather low likelyhood now.
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Aren't VPs supposed to be attack dogs?
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After the nomination heading down the final stretch and doing it in accordance with the campaigns goals, yes. Of course there was also murmus that this attacks was authorized by the campaign, and when it blew up they pulled the ejection lever on it and denied responsibility.
 
First of all, Clark's comments weren't an attack, merely mentioninig McCain's service is not an attack, nor is it an attack to point out that his military service BY itself doesn't qualify him for POTUS.

Just because Obama is a grade A pussy and responded to the fabricated outrage coming from McCain doesn't make it any more real.

So please, let's stick with reality for once.
 
As if ayabe has any reality in asserting that---Just because Obama is a grade A pussy.

But the reality is and remains, its Obama and McCain who will pick their running mates. Not me, not you, and not anyone else. So all this VP speculation is all futile and every damn thread on the subject is just more mental masturbation.

And my role is to throw cold water on mental masturbation's regarding the VP slot.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
As if ayabe has any reality in asserting that---Just because Obama is a grade A pussy.

But the reality is and remains, its Obama and McCain who will pick their running mates. Not me, not you, and not anyone else. So all this VP speculation is all futile and every damn thread on the subject is just more mental masturbation.

And my role is to throw cold water on mental masturbation's regarding the VP slot.
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Yep he is, having caved on every single policy front and for throwing Wes Clark under the bus for no reason whatsoever and in doing so validates the fabricated outrage.

That's all reality, there are plenty of threads documenting Obama's lack of intestinal foritude in the last month.

Believe whatever you wish, but Obama is a coward and I don't respect him anymore.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
First of all, Clark's comments weren't an attack, merely mentioninig McCain's service is not an attack, nor is it an attack to point out that his military service BY itself doesn't qualify him for POTUS.

Just because Obama is a grade A pussy and responded to the fabricated outrage coming from McCain doesn't make it any more real.

So please, let's stick with reality for once.
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If he merely mentioned his service it wouldn't have. However he mentioned his service and then applied it as a qualifier as to what typoe of person he thought of Mccain.
But it was nice seeing him out there the next day after everyone on TV other than Clark (including BHO) decried it as an unjust personal attack continue to swing himself in the noose trying to defend his remarks. For.a general, a bad time to forget to shut up, hit the dirt, and send out the recon.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
As if ayabe has any reality in asserting that---Just because Obama is a grade A pussy.

But the reality is and remains, its Obama and McCain who will pick their running mates. Not me, not you, and not anyone else. So all this VP speculation is all futile and every damn thread on the subject is just more mental masturbation.

And my role is to throw cold water on mental masturbation's regarding the VP slot.
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But when it was supposed to be such a clear cut victory, watching them struggle a bit is fun. I mean, if you start dredging to the point that Richardson and Biden are your best choices...
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
Yep he is, having caved on every single policy front and for throwing Wes Clark under the bus for no reason whatsoever and in doing so validates the fabricated outrage.

That's all reality, there are plenty of threads documenting Obama's lack of intestinal foritude in the last month.

Believe whatever you wish, but Obama is a coward and I don't respect him anymore.
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Do you mean the same coward who overcame a huge deficit, being 1/2 black, and the Clinton machine to win the primary? You call it cowardice. I call it playing the game. Presidents don't get elected otherwise.
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
The likely VP will be either Richardson or Clark. Richardson brings international policy experience (former UN Ambassador) , executive level experience (former Gov.) and helps garner some of the Latino vote. Clark brings big time military experience (4 star Gen.) and executive level experience (former Commander of NATO forces for all of Europe).
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And Clark shot himself in the foot last week so looks like its Richardson.
 
I like Richardson, anyway, and his name on the ticket would pretty much put a lock on Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and maybe even Florida. It'd force a much more rigorous repub defense of Arizona and the plains states, including Texas, as well.

Lots of other choices, though, and it's really too early for anything other than pure speculation. Might even be Hillary, which would definitely put the Rush Repubs not really for Clinton into a total tizzy... and leave a couple of our own frequent posters trying to figure out which way to jump through their rectums to justify Obama-hate...

Repubs are in trouble at every level, from dog catcher to senator, anyway. Pundits and prognosticators failed to recognize the depth of sentiment involved in the 2006 sea change, and they still haven't figured out that it wasn't just about Iraq, either. Whatever surprise winners this election brings us, they likely won't be repubs, bet on that...
 
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