(Web GFX) Edit: Any Ryerson Students? Update: more GFX, Criticism APPRECIATED.

[Phuz]

This is a picture..

No content, but this is the first page you will see. Once they get me a write up it will be more full filled, and structured with information and type.
I'm to have 4+ different 3d variations like on the bottom right there..
I'm also supposed to have a few bar variations (left side).

Just curious..
Thanks

-Andrew


Edit: I'm curious about some Ryerson Univ stuff if anyone around here is going there...
How much can a portfolio sway your entry (its a requirement).. ?
I sent them an application through school, but I won't know for a little while. I doubt I'll get in..


More links
Old site
SyFi logos
New site.. art section

This is a crowded industry.. hows Toronto, or BC?
Is it worth it is what I mean..
I don't want to be poor

Added for more comments/crit (I need it, it helps me)

Learning Systems Unlimited

 

[Juniper]

If I were a client, I'd run away after being called useless and ugly.

to answer your original question, $0.

and what are you talking about??


I think the layout looks cool I honestly do not know how much you can charge them, though. But, great job

 

[Mangos]

I think it's really good....but a bit flashy too flashy for a lot of people.

Speaking of flashy, look at my brother's friend's site: MediaTrinity

 

[Phuz]

<< If I were a client, I'd run away after being called useless and ugly.

to answer your original question, $0. >>



This is taylored to the clients likings as it is right now, thats one of the winners of others. The customers always right..
But uh.. *cough* IF you talk the talk you gotta..

Thanks Juniper dude

Edit :


<< I think it's really good....but a bit flashy too flashy for a lot of people. >>



You are right, good thing thats just the start page. the other side variations will be minimal but still effective.

As for MediaTrinity, the SWISH isn't bad.. but anyone can use swish. Flash takes skill tho.. Im just starting to learn in in my spare time while i mess with 3d studio and other misc apps
Not enough time..

That logo is also their new logo, or a variation of it..

 

[MrCodeDude]

That layout itself is pretty nice. The colors don't come out, there is NO contrast in the page. I would use some different colors.
-- mrcodedude

 

[Phuz]

<< there is NO contrast in the page. >>



I can take crit, (and appreciate it VERY MUCH) but there is lots of contrast... and they like the colours

 

[Juniper]

"You also might be interested to know that SyFi Productions also specializes in software consulting, so if you are to [sic] useless and ugly to write your own code, we're the people to talk to, y'hear?"

haha... never heard that one before...

 

[Ns1]

<< Speaking of flashy, look at my brother's friend's site: MediaTrinity >>




dude that's like everything i hate about the freakin web!~ jesus h christ is it necessary to take up my whole freakin screen with your bloody webpage? i'm sure it looks nice, but i have other windows open that'd i'd like to pay attention to, i just hit alt f4 as soon as i realized it took up the whole screen. i couldn't even find a close button anywehre.

 

[Phuz]

Here's a pic of my portfolio layout..or the idea.
This is the art section..

 

[Ns1]

hey phuz, i like your stuff

are you doing just the coding, or both the coding and the photoshop work?

it looks really nice =)

just keep the load times down, poor 56k bastards

 

[Phuz]

I wish I could code... I'm thinking of learning PHP but its even a bit much. I couldn't code my way out of a paper bag!

I used Dreamweaver for HTML and Imageready for rollevers..
I'm a poor 33.6 leech
:frown:

 

[Ns1]

ah, you suck =P

 

[gogeeta13]

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<< Speaking of flashy, look at my brother's friend's site: MediaTrinity >>




dude that's like everything i hate about the freakin web!~ jesus h christ is it necessary to take up my whole freakin screen with your bloody webpage? i'm sure it looks nice, but i have other windows open that'd i'd like to pay attention to, i just hit alt f4 as soon as i realized it took up the whole screen. i couldn't even find a close button anywehre. >>



What are you on? It was(the flash pop-up) like a about 20% of my screen in the middle, with tons of room around it

 

[ricerx]

are you designing the graphics too, having someone else do them, or buying the rights from someone? Also how many pages and will there be any other coding (CGI, PERL, JAVA, etc...)?

 

[Ns1]

<< What are you on? It was(the flash pop-up) like a about 20% of my screen in the middle, with tons of room around it >>


nothing

i clicky clicked, and it did it's little flash thing and took up my whole window

sure it was pretty, but i was busy looking for the big X rather than paying attention to the content

 

[kgraeme]

It's nice. The only question I have is how does it scroll? Will that bgimage just repeat? Whenever I see large background images like that, I always have to ask, "how does it scroll"? You really can't design for fixed screens. Even if everything fits just right for the release of the site, eventually the client will want to post a page that doesn't fit your tight layout. Then you need to think about how the design scrolls.

Edit: as for how much to pay? I always bill on an hourly rate. I also figure out the client's budget BEFORE I start working. That way if they can only pay $5000, then I don't put in a lot of time. If they can pay $25,000, then I give them more. I never design on spec.

 

[Juniper]

I wish I could code... I'm thinking of learning PHP but its even a bit much. I couldn't code my way out of a paper bag!

I used Dreamweaver for HTML and Imageready for rollevers..
I'm a poor 33.6 leech


You have the design flair, which is great. When you catch up with the coding, it's gonna be a powerful combination. Not many people can design, or so Ive heard

 

[Antisocial Virge]

I don't know much about webpages but that Mediatrinity one is too much. The first thing I usually do is close popups and if you do that on that page all you have is a goodbye page. If you skip the intro its still takes 5 minutes of clicking and loading to figure out even what that company does. Keep it a wee bit more simple I figure.

 

[Phuz]

<< You really can't design for fixed screens. Even if everything fits just right for the release of the site, eventually the client will want to post a page that doesn't fit your tight layout. Then you need to think about how the design scrolls. >>



Fixed viewing is also something that the designer is responsible for, as in, how its presented to the user. Since thats the main intro page, it doesn't need to scroll. The other 3D art that will be more minimal will be scrollable.



<< Edit: as for how much to pay? I always bill on an hourly rate. I also figure out the client's budget BEFORE I start working. That way if they can only pay $5000, then I don't put in a lot of time. If they can pay $25,000, then I give them more. I never design on spec. >>



Yeah i guess $250 for this page and the logo is a little poor isn't it. Good god...this is depressing. hehe..



<< You have the design flair, which is great. When you catch up with the coding, it's gonna be a powerful combination. Not many people can design, or so Ive heard. >>



I'm going to TRY and learn PHP but I really think my coding skills will forever be absent or nill. My brain just doesn't process the stuff very well.. hehe..



<< are you designing the graphics too, having someone else do them, or buying the rights from someone? Also how many pages and will there be any other coding (CGI, PERL, JAVA, etc...)? >>



Every little pixel on these graphics is made by me with no help from anyone or any tutorials (read most of the ones on the net when i used to read them). There will be 3-4 pages with graphicals variations. Coding: Nope. The people that own that company are coders in Silicon Valley. They code their sites.

 

[DarkLight]

Companies will not buy that site from you. They hire professional graduates to create a website for them the way they want it. If some poor company does want it do not expect a lot of money.

 

[kgraeme]

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<< Edit: as for how much to pay? I always bill on an hourly rate. I also figure out the client's budget BEFORE I start working. That way if they can only pay $5000, then I don't put in a lot of time. If they can pay $25,000, then I give them more. I never design on spec. >>



Yeah i guess $250 for this page and the logo is a little poor isn't it. Good god...this is depressing. hehe..
>>



Well, I wouldn't bill $5000 for a single page and a logo. I was thinking more in terms of a full site with code. I've done entire sites for $500, but the client was on a budget and I only spent the time they could afford.

What's your hourly rate? You can't really figure what to bill someone until you know what it costs you in time and effort. This is a business and it comes down to monetizing everything, and time is a key piece of that. Is your rate $25/hour? Did you spend ten hours on the page and logo? If so then $250 might be right. Did you spend more time? Is your rate more?

 

[Phuz]

I charge $25/hr but its often too hard to charge by the hour because creativity can't be forced and sometimes I just stare at the screen trying to think of ideas.. get a design/scrap it ect. Its a long process and it did take a good while. The site is far from done.



<< Companies will not buy that site from you. They hire professional graduates to create a website for them the way they want it. If some poor company does want it do not expect a lot of money. >>



That was baught by a company, I was hired. It HAS been customized to how they like it. Thanks for your input there...

 

[kgraeme]

<<

<< You really can't design for fixed screens. Even if everything fits just right for the release of the site, eventually the client will want to post a page that doesn't fit your tight layout. Then you need to think about how the design scrolls. >>



Fixed viewing is also something that the designer is responsible for, as in, how its presented to the user. Since thats the main intro page, it doesn't need to scroll. The other 3D art that will be more minimal will be scrollable.
>>



Careful with the designer's conceit.

Let me ask it a different way. Your layout is 800x600. That's fine, but what is it going to look like on a 640x480 screen? You may say, "I don't care," but will your client when they get complaints? What about 1024x768? What is going to fill on the right side and the bottom? Will it just be white? Will it repeat? Are you going to fill with a solid out to 2000 pixels? What?

When I said you "can't" do a fixed design, it wasn't so much literal as experience talking. And by fixed I don't mean that the horizontal size is fixed at 800 px with the opposite being a variable, resizing width. I meant more the vertical. Content needs to flow and a too rigid design can cause you problems later on. You may have a plan, I'm just asking questions that I would ask my interns if they came to me with this design. You don't have to anwer them to me, just to yourself and your client.

The designer's conceit is that we think that we are in control. That we get to make the decisions on how something is going to be presented/look/colors/whatever. We aren't in control. At best we are dancing, we try to lead and hope the dance partner will follow.

 

[Phuz]

<< You may have a plan, I'm just asking >>



Actually, no plan here
I know its a problem and you ARE helping so thanks for the posts. The last one made me think a little.
I'm not sure what to do really. If you take away the 3d image, the other graphical content is stretchable and easy to modify to however they may like it, its just incorperating the 3d art that i'll have to be careful with.



<< Careful with the designer's conceit.... At best we are dancing, we try to lead and hope the dance partner will follow. >>



lol, nice analagy. It is so very true, except I work for coders and they trust my eye for a decent looking webpage. They aren't very graphically inclined. Still..

 

[notfred]

Well, I'm not real fond of it. Here's why:

The vertical lines on the left - what are they for? They don't do anything, they look like a waste of space to me.

I just now, after several minutes noticed that it says "syfi" at the bottom. I thought it said "eyfi"

The orange color used in the nav bar - you can't read it.

NAVABAR????? <-- What does that mean?

What happens when the browser is bigger than 600x800? you jsut get whitespace on the right and bottom? That won't look too good.

The size you're using for your filler content is too small. You need bigger text than that so that people over 30 can read it.


EDIT: That gallery site of yours looks cool