web browser vs web browser

[Traveler]

I'm on a limited speed connection.
I use internet explorer 7 (default) and firefox for web browsing. But I found them slow, especially in browsing image sites.
So I've tried different browsers, safari and chrome so far.
At the beginnings of safari and chrome, I found them buggy.
Now, they have improved to a point that I found them fast in browsing image and video sites.
As for safari vs chrome, they seem to be equivalent in browsing speed since they use the same rendering engine.
I start liking using them. Eventually, I may abandon IE7 or firefox.
But in term of security, I have no clue.

What do you think of comparison in IE7 vs firefox vs chrome vs safari, in term of security? and resource usage (stability to windows os) too?

 

[SickBeast]

IE is the worst for security, and they say FireFox has gotten bad.

They say Chrome is quite secure.

My personal favorite browser is Opera. Try the version 10 alpha; I think you'll like it. It's blazing fast and secure, and basically is the equivalent of FireFox with the best plugins preinstalled.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
IE is the worst for security, and they say FireFox has gotten bad.

They say Chrome is quite secure.

My personal favorite browser is Opera. Try the version 10 alpha; I think you'll like it. It's blazing fast and secure, and basically is the equivalent of FireFox with the best plugins preinstalled.

Sans the recent zero day flaw in IE, IE on Vista is the most secure as long as it's running in its sandbox. Chrome is mostly an unknown at this point.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: SickBeast
IE is the worst for security, and they say FireFox has gotten bad.

They say Chrome is quite secure.

My personal favorite browser is Opera. Try the version 10 alpha; I think you'll like it. It's blazing fast and secure, and basically is the equivalent of FireFox with the best plugins preinstalled.

Sans the recent zero day flaw in IE, IE on Vista is the most secure as long as it's running in its sandbox. Chrome is mostly an unknown at this point.

They say that Chrome has some kind of advanced code which can detect malware, and the entire screen will turn red if a website tries to hijack your computer.

I've heard time and time again that IE is insecure because all of the hackers focus on it because it's the most popular. It makes sense to me.> I could see Vista being more secure than XP, but still, I'd say it's more vulnerable than some other alternatives out there.

 

[bsobel]

I've heard time and time again that IE is insecure because all of the hackers focus on it because it's the most popular. It makes sense to me.> I could see Vista being more secure than XP, but still, I'd say it's more vulnerable than some other alternatives out there.

Well you can say whatever you like, luckily their are professionals who actually track the data and know what they are talking about

http://news.softpedia.com/news...i-vs-Opera-83045.shtml

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: bsobel

I've heard time and time again that IE is insecure because all of the hackers focus on it because it's the most popular. It makes sense to me.> I could see Vista being more secure than XP, but still, I'd say it's more vulnerable than some other alternatives out there.

Well you can say whatever you like, luckily their are professionals who actually track the data and know what they are talking about

http://news.softpedia.com/news...i-vs-Opera-83045.shtml

Based on your own article, Internet Explorer had 57 vulnerabilities versus only 8 for Opera.

BTW, I am a "professional" and I'm certain that I know way more than you when it comes to certain types of hardware and software.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

+1 for Opera. It is one of the fastest browsers out there.

 

[mechBgon]

My top security suggestion with any web browser, besides keeping it up-to-date, is to not run it at Admin privilege level.

IE7 on Vista does not run at Admin privilege level, even if you log onto your Admin account (as long as you didn't disable UAC). In fact, IE7 in Protected Mode runs at even lower Integrity (what's "Integrity?") and permissions levels than a non-Admin user account does, so I guess you could call it "super-sandboxed." This is meaningful mitigation of known and unknown dangers in both the browser, and the add-ons to the browser.

So if the system is Vista, I definitely suggest IE7 in Protected Mode, and to check the system for exploitable add-ons using Secunia's Personal Software Inspector. IE7 on Vista has held up flawlessly for me when investigating live malicious websites.

Adding a Software Restriction Policy as shown here is also worth using with any browser, if the OS is a version that supports SRP. And I also recommend enabling IE7's Data Execution Prevention feature. To quote myself:

Also, if you happen to have Windows Vista, here's how to enable your Data Execution Prevention (DEP) for Internet Explorer 7. DEP largely mitigates the vulnerability that this sticky discusses. Here's how to get it switched on:

1. Right-click on an Internet Explorer icon, and choose Run as Administrator from the right-click menu (you'll only have to do this once).
   
2. In Internet Explorer, click Tools > Internet Options, and then click the Advanced tab.
   
3. Scroll down and put a checkmark in Enable memory protection to help mitigate online attacks (pic :camera:). This checkbox can only be changed if you use Run as Administrator. Don't ask, I don't know why either
   
4. Close Internet Explorer. DEP is now activated for the 32-bit version of IE. If you have 64-bit Vista, you don't need to do this for 64-bit IE7, because DEP is mandatory on all 64-bit processes in Vista x64.

Possible side effects of DEP in IE7? Some browser add-ons might crash. Older versions of Sun Java Runtime did, for example. This is undoubtedly why DEP's not enabled by default.

If you prefer another browser instead of IE7, that's fine. Keep the browser and its add-ons/extensions up-to-date using the Secunia checkup utility. Run the browser from within a non-Admin user account, and use SRP if it's available to you. Those steps will definitely remove you from the "low-hanging fruit" category

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
IE is the worst for security, and they say FireFox has gotten bad.

When you say that, is that based on your experience or based off that silly DT article a few days ago; in which the compared version 2 to the latest; in which most flaws in 2 was fixed...

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver

Originally posted by: SickBeast
IE is the worst for security, and they say FireFox has gotten bad.

When you say that, is that based on your experience or based off that silly DT article a few days ago; in which the compared version 2 to the latest; in which most flaws in 2 was fixed...

I've read it in several places lately (at least 3). One of those places is the article that bsobel just posted. I don't see why people would make it up.

FireFox recently had to be updated to version 3.0.5 because of some exploits.

 

[bsobel]

Based on your own article, Internet Explorer had 57 vulnerabilities versus only 8 for Opera.

You said IE was the most insecure, your wrong, that was the point.

BTW, I am a "professional" and I'm certain that I know way more than you when it comes to certain types of hardware and software.

Your welcome to believe that.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Based on your own article, Internet Explorer had 57 vulnerabilities versus only 8 for Opera.

You said IE was the most insecure, your wrong, that was the point.

BTW, I am a "professional" and I'm certain that I know way more than you when it comes to certain types of hardware and software.

Your welcome to believe that.

I'm sure it's true. I'd like to see you design a building that won't fall down and kill people.

 

[bsobel]

I'm sure it's true. I'd like to see you design a building that won't fall down and kill people.

And that has what to do with determining which browser/os combination is the safest? Oh yea, nothing, got any other nonsequitors you'd like to inject?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: bsobel

I'm sure it's true. I'd like to see you design a building that won't fall down and kill people.

And that has what to do with determining which browser/os combination is the safest? Oh yea, nothing, got any other nonsequitors you'd like to inject?

I'm just saying, I certain that I know a great deal more than you regarding design software (CAD/3D Max/Photoshop/Illustrator) than you, along with what I know about dedicated 3D hardware, and how systems react to a heavy load in terms of trying to draw up a skyscraper.

In terms of the browser security, no offense but I still think my original post makes more sense than anything you have contributed here. Opera is a safer browser than IE. Your own article states as much.

It's great that you work for a software company that produces security programs. That doesn't mean that you know everything.

 

[bsobel]

Opera is a safer browser than IE

Changing your statement from IE is the most insecure eh?

That doesn't mean that you know everything.

True, but I know a hell of a lot more than you about this.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Opera is a safer browser than IE

Changing your statement from IE is the most insecure eh?

That doesn't mean that you know everything.

True, but I know a hell of a lot more than you about this.

It was for the longest time, and I'm sure it continues to be for many users on older computers.

I pointed out that both IE and FF were insecure. I don't see the point in being such a stickler about it.

 

[bsobel]

I pointed out that both IE and FF were insecure. I don't see the point in being such a stickler about it.

Yes, but on Vists IE is the best. Until FF, Opera, and Chrome integrated with Vista properly and utilize the sandbox IE will be the safest on that platform. Now hopefully we'll see the other browsers use that technology which will rearrange the order, but for now you were just 100% backwards

 

[imported_snikt]

If you google software security assessment, most security experts say that the number of vulnerabilites is not an accurate measure of the security of a product. The way to determine the security of a software product are days of risk, the efficiency of the patch delivery mechanism, securability of the product, the potential surface area of attack of the product, and the scope of fixes.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: snikt
If you google software security assessment, most security experts say that the number of vulnerabilites is not an accurate measure of the security of a product. The way to determine the security of a software product are days of risk, the efficiency of the patch delivery mechanism, securability of the product, the potential surface area of attack of the product, and the scope of fixes.

So do you agree with bsobel that IE under Vista is the most secure?

I'm thinking that any browser under Linux is the most secure.

 

[bsobel]

I'm thinking that any browser under Linux is the most secure.

The OP asked about Windows, stop being a little troll.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: bsobel

I'm thinking that any browser under Linux is the most secure.

The OP asked about Windows, stop being a little troll.

Threads can diverge from where the OP started, and besides, he did not mention Windows exclusively. He would probably be interested in knowing his other options.

You seem to cringe every time I bring up Linux. You should embrace open-source software instead of fearing it. It is the wave of the future. You might as well familiarize yourself with it.

 

[imported_snikt]

So do you agree with bsobel that IE under Vista is the most secure?

I'm thinking that any browser under Linux is the most secure.

We've only begun to deploy Vista on our enterprise. And as such I'm not as familiar with it as I am with NT, 2000 or XP, so my opinion of it, thus far, is still pending. Because of Group Policies, NTFS permissions, and other security measures, IE and Windows can be hardened very well. We have over 100 PCs that are accessible by the Public. We've secured them as much as we possibly could and in the 5+ years they have been accessible by the Public they have never been compromised, not one PC.

For the record, I use three browsers: IE7/Avant, Firefox, and Opera. At times individually, and at other times simultaneously. I'm odd like that...

 

[bsobel]

You seem to cringe every time I bring up Linux.

Someone asks about Vista vs Windows 7, you bring up Linux. Someone posts in SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS about IE vs other browsers, you bring up Linux. Your an annoying fanboy that likes to derail threads by answering questions that were not asked.

You should embrace open-source software instead of fearing it

I build products for more than just the Windows platform. And, when in context, I discuss them.

 

[Traveler]

Yes, I'm a windows user. Tried Linux before, I guess I'm just used to windows' fancy interface.
I got most crashes from IE7. Firefox sometimes kills a lot of resources.
I heard about chrome having some sort of security mechanism built-in. But I haven't been able to see how it works in detecting.
I found safari eats a lot of memory. And safari seems not able to show all contents some websites have like chrome does.
Ages ago, I tried Opera. It wasn't good back then. Like bsobel, I did some searches. Opera did receive alot of praises.
I'm giving opera a shot.





Chrome seems to be more charming than Opera in terms of resource usage, speed, and different language encodings... but with a privacy issue:
http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2...-worse-than-you-think/

 

[Rottie]

Originally posted by: Traveler
I'm on a limited speed connection.
I use internet explorer 7 (default) and firefox for web browsing. But I found them slow, especially in browsing image sites.
So I've tried different browsers, safari and chrome so far.
At the beginnings of safari and chrome, I found them buggy.
Now, they have improved to a point that I found them fast in browsing image and video sites.
As for safari vs chrome, they seem to be equivalent in browsing speed since they use the same rendering engine.
I start liking using them. Eventually, I may abandon IE7 or firefox.
But in term of security, I have no clue.

What do you think of comparison in IE7 vs firefox vs chrome vs safari, in term of security? and resource usage (stability to windows os) too?

When I had old laptop IE6 or 7 rendered pretty fast than Firefox and Firefox doesnt like old laptop because it always crashed too many times and not as fast as IE. As for security I dont use to browsing any porno sites or any dangerous sites. If you do the get Firefox only on fastest pc or laptop