Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: tcsenter
You're more optimistic than I. Consider whom you're dealing with.
It has been widely reported for more than five years that Hussein was overtly buying influence in the UN Security Council.
Even after it was revealed without dispute that France and Russia had substantial financial interests in the continued operation of the Oil-for-Food program indefinitely, and even greater interests in the continued existance of the Hussein regime (TotalFinaElf and Lukoil), with zero interest in seeing this lucrative status quo come to an end, it was of course all Bush's fault for failing to get the UN's blessing for war or build a larger coalition.
It would be like expecting a member of Congress to build support among officials in NEVADA for an effort to make gambling illegal. I'm sure that the failure to secure such support would reflect entirely upon that member of Congress and not the sheer lunacy of the expectation. lol!
Even more astounding, our resident US-haters actually "spun" these facts, which they themselves did not dispute, not as evidence that the United Nations Security Council had been compromised, or that opposition to the US and Britain within the UNSC was motivated purely by greed and not by principle, but evidence that the United States and Britain wanted Iraq's oil.
IOW, it was A-OK with them that the United Nations was being used to do the bidding of a murderous tyrant while millions of Iraqis suffered in the extreme - all for oil - as long as it wasn't the US and Britain getting the oil.
Wow. That puts things into perspective.
Not surprisingly, these are usually the same folks who constantly accuse the US of arming Iraq (with Russian and French hardware) and actively supporting the rise of the Hussein regime.
Where else on earth would you find a single person, let alone thousands, who believe the US makes Russian tanks and French air defense installations? Only in America....
What a crock. Typical attacks on those who disagree with you and your boy in the White House. Can you support these claims, or should we save time and dismiss them out of hand as more of your dishonest nonsense?
Your transparent hypocrisy is bad enough, suggesting Bush and his minions act only out of noble motives while all the countries who opposed him acted out of greed and crass commercial interests. The real farce is the way you conveniently ignore the other 100 or so countries who also opposed the war but were not participants in your global conspiracy with Hussein. I suppose they just wanted to make Bush look bad because they are so jealous of his charm and wit.
Why don't you get a job and stop polluting P&N with your hateful apologist tripe?
Let's break this into your assorted unsubstantiated claims and attacks:
A) It has been widely reported for more than five years that Hussein was overtly buying influence in the UN Security Council.
B) it was revealed without dispute that France and Russia had substantial financial interests in the continued operation of the Oil-for-Food program indefinitely, and even greater interests in the continued existance of the Hussein regime (TotalFinaElf and Lukoil), with zero interest in seeing this lucrative status quo come to an end
C) Even after it was revealed ... it was of course all Bush's fault for failing to get the UN's blessing for war or build a larger coalition.
D) our resident US-haters
E) our resident US-haters actually "spun" these facts, which they themselves did not dispute
F) our resident US-haters actually "spun" these facts, which they themselves did not dispute, not as evidence that the United Nations Security Council had been compromised, or that opposition to the US and Britain within the UNSC was motivated purely by greed and not by principle, but evidence that the United States and Britain wanted Iraq's oil.
G) IOW, it was A-OK with them that the United Nations was being used to do the bidding of a murderous tyrant
H) these are usually the same folks who constantly accuse the US of arming Iraq
I) arming Iraq (with Russian and French hardware)
J) these are usually the same folks who constantly accuse the US of ... actively supporting the rise of the Hussein regime
K) a single person, let alone thousands, who believe the US makes Russian tanks and French air defense installations
There you go. If it's a claim about what did or didn't happen in the U.N., show us your documentation. If it is an allegation about people here, e.g., "US-haters" or "it's A-OK with them ...", produce the threads that document your claims and characterizations. The simple fact is you spewed one of your signature mixes of factoids, lies, ad homs, and pompous delusions of grandeur. Given your track record, it's not reasonable to expect us to sort them into the appropriate piles. Document what you can; we will ignore the rest.
