Wearing Ski Mask while walking through a convenient store on the phone = Making Terrorist threat

[jyates]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good god. I can't believe you people. You are really saying that it is someones right to walk into a store with a ski mask on? Give me a freakin' break. You are going out of your way to put fear into someone else. They don't know your intentions. I'd sure as hell take your ass down too if you walked into my store wearing a ski mask over your face.

Slippery slope my ass. You have no right to intimidate someone else for your own amusement.

I think that is the key. And interestingly, this "I can do what I want, where I want, when I want" attitude is permeating through much of society - it's the new standard for the Politically Correct crowd. The store is PRIVATE property. You have no "right" to go in and do as you please. If the storeowner felt threatened then it is within his right to have the cops remove you. Hell, if you had no shirt on, he could have you removed (NO shirt, No shoes, No service anyone?). Now the matter of the penalty is something that needs to brought up in the legislative process, but apparently there was enough outcry that politicians thought this type of behavior warranted this stiff of a penalty.

Yep it appears to be in vogue now to rebel against any and all laws using the
"it's against MY rights" spin.

He's lucky they check out clerk wasn't packing and got his ski masked head removed
with a .45 slug.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good god. I can't believe you people. You are really saying that it is someones right to walk into a store with a ski mask on? Give me a freakin' break. You are going out of your way to put fear into someone else. They don't know your intentions. I'd sure as hell take your ass down too if you walked into my store wearing a ski mask over your face.

Slippery slope my ass. You have no right to intimidate someone else for your own amusement.

I think that is the key. And interestingly, this "I can do what I want, where I want, when I want" attitude is permeating through much of society - it's the new standard for the Politically Correct crowd. The store is PRIVATE property. You have no "right" to go in and do as you please. If the storeowner felt threatened then it is within his right to have the cops remove you. Hell, if you had no shirt on, he could have you removed (NO shirt, No shoes, No service anyone?). Now the matter of the penalty is something that needs to brought up in the legislative process, but apparently there was enough outcry that politicians thought this type of behavior warranted this stiff of a penalty.

Yep it appears to be in vogue now to rebel against any and all laws using the
"it's against MY rights" spin.

He's lucky they check out clerk wasn't packing and got his ski masked head removed
with a .45 slug.

That would be a completely unjustified shoot. If I (as a CCW holder) did that I would be in a world of trouble.

Viper GTS

 

[GeorgiaBadger]

Out of the gene pool for a year works for me.

 

[aylanl4]

The terroristic threat charge is used, because it is our version of the McArthy trilas,I think that's the right name(The ones where they wer etrying to "catch" communists in the US.)

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Amused
If he walked into my store like that he'd find himself on the floor with a gun at his head.

Retail people have EVERY REASON to be scared to death of robbers... because we get robbed all the time.

Where do you draw the line?

Ski masks?
Baggy clothes?
FUBU?
How about black males between the ages of 17 and 30?

While I would agree it's not an especially bright stunt, you would be WAY outta line in taking him down.

This is a damn slippery slope, you of all people should see that.

Viper GTS

I draw the line at intentionally trying to hide one's face and evade indentification.

Let me put it this way, I have never had someone enter one of my stores with their face covered and NOT had them rob me or my employees.

Concealing one's identity is not a crime. If you don't want them in your store, ask them to leave.

If they leave peacefully or remove the offending item, all is well.

If they don't leave, then you have grounds to bitch.

Until then, IMO, you should be up on assault charges if you pulled a gun on someone like that.

Viper GTS

You know, it's nice to make rules when you have never had a gun shoved in your face too many times to count, or one of your managers murdered.

But out here in the REAL world, I know better. In the time it takes me to ask the guy to remove the mask or leave, he has his gun out and is already in control of the situation.

I consider it a valid threat when someone comes in with a mask on. And I reiterate, I have NEVER had someone come in with a mask on and NOT try to rob us.

 

[konichiwa]

Tresspassing, if the guy didn't want him in his store? Fine. Disorderly conduct or something similar for being a jerkoff? Maybe. But "making terrorist threats?" That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard!

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good god. I can't believe you people. You are really saying that it is someones right to walk into a store with a ski mask on? Give me a freakin' break. You are going out of your way to put fear into someone else. They don't know your intentions. I'd sure as hell take your ass down too if you walked into my store wearing a ski mask over your face.

Slippery slope my ass. You have no right to intimidate someone else for your own amusement.

I think that is the key. And interestingly, this "I can do what I want, where I want, when I want" attitude is permeating through much of society - it's the new standard for the Politically Correct crowd. The store is PRIVATE property. You have no "right" to go in and do as you please. If the storeowner felt threatened then it is within his right to have the cops remove you. Hell, if you had no shirt on, he could have you removed (NO shirt, No shoes, No service anyone?). Now the matter of the penalty is something that needs to brought up in the legislative process, but apparently there was enough outcry that politicians thought this type of behavior warranted this stiff of a penalty.

Yep it appears to be in vogue now to rebel against any and all laws using the
"it's against MY rights" spin.

He's lucky they check out clerk wasn't packing and got his ski masked head removed
with a .45 slug.

That would be a completely unjustified shoot. If I (as a CCW holder) did that I would be in a world of trouble.

Viper GTS

I'd take it to a jury and I bet you couldn't get a conviction on the shoot. People are sick
and tired of criminals having their way and juries are more and more willing to give them
the medicine they deserve. The ski mask wearer might not have been a criminal but he
went out of his way to cause himself any damage he might have recieived from the clerk.

 

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
DJs are idiots. I hope he gets the year in jail. Stupid fvck.

It's called pushing the limits.

The limits are getting ever more restrictive year by year. The dj illustrated his point very well.
A terrorist threat? Comon. :roll:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
DJs are idiots. I hope he gets the year in jail. Stupid fvck.

It's called pushing the limits.

The limits are getting ever more restrictive year by year. The dj illustrated his point very well.
A terrorist threat? Comon. :roll:

If you'd ever been robbed, or worked at a retail establishment, you'd understand why.

 

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
DJs are idiots. I hope he gets the year in jail. Stupid fvck.

It's called pushing the limits.

The limits are getting ever more restrictive year by year. The dj illustrated his point very well.
A terrorist threat? Comon. :roll:

If you'd ever been robbed, or worked at a retail establishment, you'd understand why.

When I was working at mcdonalds at 16 we were robbed.

You're missing the point. Having this go to court as a terrorist threat is obsurd.
So all of your wonderful experience owning low rent retail stores really doesn't apply here.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
DJs are idiots. I hope he gets the year in jail. Stupid fvck.

It's called pushing the limits.

The limits are getting ever more restrictive year by year. The dj illustrated his point very well.
A terrorist threat? Comon. :roll:

If you'd ever been robbed, or worked at a retail establishment, you'd understand why.

When I was working at mcdonalds at 16 we were robbed.

Then you should understand.

When you work in a business in which the ONLY people coming in with masks on are those who shove guns in your faces and murder your employees... you tend to have a very justifiable reaction to these kinds of things.

 

See above edited post.

Apparantly now you can label ANYTHING as a "terrorist threat" and put someone away forever.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
DJs are idiots. I hope he gets the year in jail. Stupid fvck.

It's called pushing the limits.

The limits are getting ever more restrictive year by year. The dj illustrated his point very well.
A terrorist threat? Comon. :roll:

If you'd ever been robbed, or worked at a retail establishment, you'd understand why.

When I was working at mcdonalds at 16 we were robbed.

You're missing the point. Having this go to court as a terrorist threat is obsurd.
So all of your wonderful experience owning low rent retail stores really doesn't apply here.

Look up "terroristic threat." It is the act of intentionally scaring people by making or implying the threat of an act of violence.

And it's been out a LONG time before 9/11

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon
See above edited post.

Apparantly now you can label ANYTHING as a "terrorist threat" and put someone away forever.

You are confusing terrorist with this law. "Terrorist" and terroristic threats are two different things.

I'm surprised you haven't broken your jaw with how hard your knee jerks.

 

[pyonir]

I'd state my opinion, but i'm afraid of Amused.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Good god. I can't believe you people. You are really saying that it is someones right to walk into a store with a ski mask on? Give me a freakin' break. You are going out of your way to put fear into someone else. They don't know your intentions. I'd sure as hell take your ass down too if you walked into my store wearing a ski mask over your face.

Slippery slope my ass. You have no right to intimidate someone else for your own amusement.

I think that is the key. And interestingly, this "I can do what I want, where I want, when I want" attitude is permeating through much of society - it's the new standard for the Politically Correct crowd. The store is PRIVATE property. You have no "right" to go in and do as you please. If the storeowner felt threatened then it is within his right to have the cops remove you. Hell, if you had no shirt on, he could have you removed (NO shirt, No shoes, No service anyone?). Now the matter of the penalty is something that needs to brought up in the legislative process, but apparently there was enough outcry that politicians thought this type of behavior warranted this stiff of a penalty.

Yep it appears to be in vogue now to rebel against any and all laws using the
"it's against MY rights" spin.

He's lucky they check out clerk wasn't packing and got his ski masked head removed
with a .45 slug.

That would be a completely unjustified shoot. If I (as a CCW holder) did that I would be in a world of trouble.

Viper GTS

Viper STFU! Its summer in Austin Texas, a moron walks into a store with a mask. Everybody associated "SKI MASK" with robbery and were intimataded (sp) by his actions. If i was in the store as a customer and saw this, he would be going down hard. And you know what? its totally justified.

Since you have become a gun nut, you have lost all sense of reality.

 

[Amused]

A quick google search shows this law in many states. I randomly picked Pennsylvania:

§ 2706. Terroristic threats.
(a) Offense defined. A person commits the crime of terroristic threats if the person communicates, either directly or indirectly, a threat to:

commit any crime of violence with intent to terrorize another;
cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation; or
otherwise cause serious public inconvenience, or cause terror or serious public inconvenience with reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience.

 

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
See above edited post.

Apparantly now you can label ANYTHING as a "terrorist threat" and put someone away forever.

You are confusing terrorist with this law. "Terrorist" and terroristic threats are two different things.

I'm surprised you haven't broken your jaw with how hard your knee jerks.

I'm a bit jumpy from being robbed, sorry.

The line is very blurred now between terrorist and terrorist threat. Look it up where? In my magical employee handbook?

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
DJs are idiots. I hope he gets the year in jail. Stupid fvck.

It's called pushing the limits.

The limits are getting ever more restrictive year by year. The dj illustrated his point very well.
A terrorist threat? Comon. :roll:

If you'd ever been robbed, or worked at a retail establishment, you'd understand why.

Your personal fears/shortcomings shouold not impact anyone else's rights.

THEY have the right to wear whatever they want.
YOU have the right to order them off your property.
YOU Have the right to defend yourself (and IMO your property, though this is something of a gray area).

I'm somewhat torn on this because I'm 100% in favor of gun rights, & the rights of a property owner, but as a public place of business you can't open fire on people simply because they're wearing something you don't like. If it was your own home, & they were there without your permission then by all means pull the gun. In your business, though, you have to accept the risk of dealing with the public.

Viper GTS

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
See above edited post.

Apparantly now you can label ANYTHING as a "terrorist threat" and put someone away forever.

You are confusing terrorist with this law. "Terrorist" and terroristic threats are two different things.

I'm surprised you haven't broken your jaw with how hard your knee jerks.

I'm a bit jumpy from being robbed, sorry.

The line is very blurred now between terrorist and terrorist threat. Look it up where? In my magical employee handbook?

That's what google is for. But I did it for you. These laws have been out for as long as I can remember.

 

Originally posted by: Amused
A quick google search shows this law in many states. I randomly picked Pennsylvania:

§ 2706. Terroristic threats.
(a) Offense defined. A person commits the crime of terroristic threats if the person communicates, either directly or indirectly, a threat to:

commit any crime of violence with intent to terrorize another;
cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation; or
otherwise cause serious public inconvenience, or cause terror or serious public inconvenience with reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience.

This is very grey area here. I can call you up and threaten to kick your dog, and that is a terrorist threat.
I can threaten you on here, and that's a terrorist threat.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
DJs are idiots. I hope he gets the year in jail. Stupid fvck.

It's called pushing the limits.

The limits are getting ever more restrictive year by year. The dj illustrated his point very well.
A terrorist threat? Comon. :roll:

If you'd ever been robbed, or worked at a retail establishment, you'd understand why.

Your personal fears/shortcomings shouold not impact anyone else's rights.

THEY have the right to wear whatever they want.
YOU have the right to order them off your property.
YOU Have the right to defend yourself (and IMO your property, though this is something of a gray area).

I'm somewhat torn on this because I'm 100% in favor of gun rights, & the rights of a property owner, but as a public place of business you can't open fire on people simply because they're wearing something you don't like. If it was your own home, & they were there without your permission then by all means pull the gun. In your business, though, you have to accept the risk of dealing with the public.

Viper GTS

I'm not opening fire. I am protecting myself by giving myself the upper hand. Whether I fire or not is up to the guy's next move.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Citrix
Viper STFU! Its summer in Austin Texas, a moron walks into a store with a mask. Everybody associated "SKI MASK" with robbery and were intimataded (sp) by his actions. If i was in the store as a customer and saw this, he would be going down hard. And you know what? its totally justified.

Since you have become a gun nut, you have lost all sense of reality.

I've lost my sense of reality because I know I have to be justified before I shoot someone?

Logic would say the gun nut in me would support gunning down mask wearers, not the other way around.

Granted, this varies somewhat state to state. In Oregon I might be justified in pulling a gun on him, but shooting him would be completely unjustified. If he was waving a weapon around, things would be different.

I'm a gun nut, but a RESPONSIBLE one.

Viper GTS

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused
A quick google search shows this law in many states. I randomly picked Pennsylvania:

§ 2706. Terroristic threats.
(a) Offense defined. A person commits the crime of terroristic threats if the person communicates, either directly or indirectly, a threat to:

commit any crime of violence with intent to terrorize another;
cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation; or
otherwise cause serious public inconvenience, or cause terror or serious public inconvenience with reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience.

This is very grey area here. I can call you up and threaten to kick your dog, and that is a terrorist threat.
I can threaten you on here, and that's a terrorist threat.

It is if I have a valid reason to fear your threats.

But that said, yes, it is, and always has been illegal to threaten others.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
DJs are idiots. I hope he gets the year in jail. Stupid fvck.

It's called pushing the limits.

The limits are getting ever more restrictive year by year. The dj illustrated his point very well.
A terrorist threat? Comon. :roll:

If you'd ever been robbed, or worked at a retail establishment, you'd understand why.

Your personal fears/shortcomings shouold not impact anyone else's rights.

THEY have the right to wear whatever they want.
YOU have the right to order them off your property.
YOU Have the right to defend yourself (and IMO your property, though this is something of a gray area).

I'm somewhat torn on this because I'm 100% in favor of gun rights, & the rights of a property owner, but as a public place of business you can't open fire on people simply because they're wearing something you don't like. If it was your own home, & they were there without your permission then by all means pull the gun. In your business, though, you have to accept the risk of dealing with the public.

Viper GTS

The key is that the item being worn was a ski mask and most people in this part
of the world equates a ski mask with being robbed when it's in a convience store
in the summer time in Austin, Texas.

If you were behind the counter what would be your first thought?