wealth gap widens between whites and minorities

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The wealth gaps between whites and minorities have grown to their widest levels in a quarter-century. The recession and uneven recovery have erased decades of minority gains, leaving whites on average with 20 times the net worth of blacks and 18 times that of Hispanics, according to an analysis of new Census data.

The analysis shows the racial and ethnic impact of the economic meltdown, which ravaged housing values and sent unemployment soaring. It offers the most direct government evidence yet of the disparity between predominantly younger minorities whose main asset is their home and older whites who are more likely to have 401(k) retirement accounts or other stock holdings.

"What's pushing the wealth of whites is the rebound in the stock market and corporate savings, while younger Hispanics and African-Americans who bought homes in the last decade — because that was the American dream — are seeing big declines," said Timothy Smeeding, a University of Wisconsin-Madison professor who specializes in income inequality.

The median wealth of white U.S. households in 2009 was $113,149, compared with $6,325 for Hispanics and $5,677 for blacks, according to the analysis released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center. Those ratios, roughly 20 to 1 for blacks and 18 to 1 for Hispanics, far exceed the low mark of 7 to 1 for both groups reached in 1995, when the nation's economic expansion lifted many low-income groups to the middle class.

The white-black wealth gap is also the widest since the census began tracking such data in 1984, when the ratio was roughly 12 to 1.

"I am afraid that this pushes us back to what the Kerner Commission characterized as 'two societies, separate and unequal,'" said Roderick Harrison, a former chief of racial statistics at the Census Bureau, referring to the 1960s presidential commission that examined U.S. race relations. "The great difference is that the second society has now become both black and Hispanic."

Stock holdings play an important role in the economic well-being of white households. Stock funds, IRA and Keogh accounts as well as 401(k) and savings accounts were responsible for 28 percent of whites' net worth, compared with 19 percent for blacks and 15 percent for Hispanics.

According to the Pew study, the housing boom of the early to mid-2000s boosted the wealth of Hispanics in particular, who were disproportionately employed in the thriving construction industry. Hispanics also were more likely to live and buy homes in states such as California, Florida, Nevada and Arizona, which were in the forefront of the real estate bubble, enjoying early gains in home values.

But those gains quickly shriveled in the housing bust. After reaching a median wealth of $18,359 in 2005, the wealth of Hispanics — who derived nearly two-thirds of their net worth from home equity — declined by 66 percent by 2009. Among blacks, who now have the highest unemployment rate at 16.2 percent, their household wealth fell 53 percent from $12,124 to $5,677.

In contrast, the median household wealth of whites dipped a modest 16 percent from $134,992 to $113,149, cushioned in part by a stock market recovery that began in mid-2009.

"The findings are a reminder — if one was needed — of what a large share of blacks and Hispanics live on the economic margins," said Paul Taylor, director of Pew Social & Demographic Trends. "When the economy tanked, they're the groups that took the heaviest blows."

The latest data come as President Barack Obama and congressional leaders try to reach a deal to avoid a U.S. default on its financial obligations after Aug. 2. Democrats and Republicans have been wrangling over proposals that could cut trillions of dollars from programs such as Medicare and Social Security; they are divided over whether to bring in new tax revenue, such as by closing corporate tax loopholes or increasing taxes for the wealthy.

The NAACP and other black groups urged Obama to resist deep cuts to housing assistance or safety net programs, saying it would disproportionately hurt urban areas with high poverty and unemployment. The U.S. poverty rate currently stands at 14.3 percent, with the ranks of the working-age poor at the highest level since the 1960s. Some analysts believe the poverty rate will climb higher when new figures are released in September.

"Typically in recessions, minorities suffer from being last hired and first fired. They are likely to lose jobs more rapidly at the beginning of the recession, and are far slower to gain jobs as the economy recovers," said Harrison, who is now a sociologist at Howard University. "One suspects that blacks who lost jobs in the recession, or who have tried to help family members or relatives who did, have now spent whatever savings or other cashable assets they had."

Other findings:

About 35 percent of black households and 31 percent of Hispanic households had zero or negative net worth in 2009, compared with 15 percent of white households. In 2005, the comparable shares were 29 percent for blacks, 23 percent for Hispanics and 11 percent for whites.
Asians lost their top ranking to whites in median household wealth, dropping from $168,103 in 2005 to $78,066 in 2009. Like Hispanics, many Asians were concentrated in states like California hit hard by the housing downturn. More recent arrivals of new Asian immigrants, who tend to be poor, also pushed down their median wealth.
Across all race and ethnic groups, the wealth gap between rich and poor widened. The share of wealth held by the top 10 percent of U.S. households increased from 49 percent in 2005 to 56 percent in 2009. The threshold for entry into the wealthiest top 10 percent, however, dipped lower: from $646,327 in 2005 to $598,435.

The numbers are based on the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation, which sampled more than 36,000 households on wealth from September-December 2009. Census first began publishing wealth data from this survey, broken down by race and ethnicity, in 1984.

LMAO, $5,677?
i had more wealth than that when i was 16. must suck to be them.

and to anyone that says minorities are disadvantaged, i'd point them to asians.
oh wait, although they're the smallest ethnic group, they're not considered minorities :rolleyes:
 

IronWing

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This is really P&N but what the hell.

Fox News: Under Obama, Blacks don't pay property tax!!!!
 

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Average wealth is useless without comparing it to average income. If they make just as much money but don't save any of it....
 

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Minorities had larger portions of their net worth tied up in their houses, housing crashes and they lose more.

This is especially true for hispanics, many of whom live in AZ/NM/FL where the housing bubble was hit the hardest.
 
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Minorities had larger portions of their net worth tied up in their houses, housing crashes and they lose more.

This is especially true for hispanics, many of whom live in AZ/NM/FL where the housing bubble was hit the hardest.

don't they usually live like 20 to a house?
 

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leaving whites on average with 20 times the net worth of blacks and 18 times that of Hispanics, according to an analysis of new Census data.

I got that far and realized that although there may be some truth to the article, it's based on bullshit statistics. Most people realize that the top .1% of the nation are getting wealthier and wealthier. The top .1% of the nation hold 50% of the wealth (or whatever the percentage is; that stat was given yesterday or the day before in some thread, but really, it's not important to the argument.)

So, if the uber-rich are getting richer faster and the gap is growing between them and the rest of the country, and ALL of the uber-rich in this country are white... Well, DUHHHH, if you average them in with all whites, then of course whites are getting richer faster than other races.
 

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In related news, vehicles with rims like these are on the rise:

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Coincidence? Tough to say.
 

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LMAO, $5,677?
i had more wealth than that when i was 16. must suck to be them.

and to anyone that says minorities are disadvantaged, i'd point them to asians.
oh wait, although they're the smallest ethnic group, they're not considered minorities :rolleyes:

I agree. There is a huge gap. My Vietnamese sister-in-law has a PHD in accounting and makes well into six figures teaching at a university. My white ass is still working on a BA and making under $40k working a helpdesk.

Clearly, we need a race war.
 
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It's the sum of assets, minus debts. Not income.

Ah, thanks.

On a related, yet semi-anecdotal note, many of the homes that went into foreclosure here in metro ATL were in the majority-minority areas of town, so I can see how they arrived at these figures.
 

JTsyo

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How about if we compare wealth of minorities to their original country's average? I think it's BS how the media plays on the race issues to sell news. While our system isn't perfect, we're much better off than other places for almost everyone here.
 
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How about if we compare wealth of minorities to their original country's average? I think it's BS how the media plays on the race issues to sell news. While our system isn't perfect, we're much better off than other places for almost everyone here.

Original country? Most minorities are originally from the US since they were born here.
 

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It offers the most direct government evidence yet of the disparity between predominantly younger minorities whose main asset is their home and older whites who are more likely to have 401(k) retirement accounts or other stock holdings.

Who would have thought that older white people with 401K accounts would have more money than a younger minority?

I for one am totally stunned by this finding...
 

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Is it me, or does this seem like an incredibly high figure?
Probably not.

Once you reach a certain income level wealth starts to pile up. Especially as a home owner.

A few years ago my wealth was just what I had saved in the bank.

Last year when I bought my house my net worth was about the same. (assuming the house is worth exactly what I paid for it and what I owed on it)

10 years from now even if my income stays the same and I save no more money than today the wealth from my house alone should be close to $100,000. ($50,000 less owed + $50,000 in appreciation)

And if I came up with a way to save just $5000 a year my wealth could be $200,000 or more in ten years.
 

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This article is fairly useless since it does not seem to account for immigration status. Although many immigrants do it (especially East Asians) you can't expect to come to the US and be as wealthy as families that have been here for generations. It's really not an issue that there is a disparity except in the black community. And there, I think we've exhausted things government can do about it.
 

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These kind of news stories are so biased, notice how they don't even mentions Jews. Why? Because Jews do just as well or better than whites, proving that racism isn't the cause of financial differences amongst racial groups. These stories are made to be decisive, and to make blacks angry.

Asians have gone backwards. That proves it; Obama is a racist keeping Asians down.
 

Infohawk

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These kind of news stories are so biased, notice how they don't even mentions Jews. Why? Because Jews do just as well or better than whites, proving that racism isn't the cause of financial differences amongst racial groups. These stories are made to be decisive, and to make blacks angry.

Asians have gone backwards. That proves it; Obama is a racist keeping Asians down.

I would say most people do not consider Jews to be a race.
 

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These kind of news stories are so biased, notice how they don't even mentions Jews. Why? Because Jews do just as well or better than whites, proving that racism isn't the cause of financial differences amongst racial groups. These stories are made to be decisive, and to make blacks angry.

Asians have gone backwards. That proves it; Obama is a racist keeping Asians down.
What color are Jews?