I do agree that for this year at least, conroe will be more than list price. But I'm pretty sure the transition to conroe based chip will complete soon in Q1/2007. By then Conroe will fall in price and so will all of AMD line up once conroe will be produced in mass. I also think for Intel gaining back market share with Conroe is very important as oppose to immediate profits so even if conroe lost in margin will still be a big win for Intel in market share and publicity.
then again if peopel buying computers from dell only wants conroe after july 23, dell wont let that happen b/c they got tons of netburst chips/celeron in their warehouse , i say dell will want people to buy netburs chip first, when they have very little left, they will focus on selling conroe computer.
not to mention intel is not doing well lately , i think they will try to produce as much conroe as possible since theyr Q1 2006 revenue was like down 12% comapre to last year:
http://reed-electronics.com/electronicnews/article/CA6326588?ref=nbra
i think they will try to make as much money as fast as possible
not to mention intel is not doing well lately , i think they will try to produce as much conroe as possible since theyr Q1 2006 revenue was like down 12% comapre to last year:
http://reed-electronics.com/electronicnews/article/CA6326588?ref=nbra
i think they will try to make as much money as fast as possible
How did you get realtime inventory of dells netburst/celeron stockpile?! I'd love to know this. You HONESTLY think they will hold off Conroe pc's just to sell the leftovers they have laying around? Get real.:disgust:
Not a chance. The desktop PC OEM's will offer good, better, best (best=Conroe). Price points will be adjusted in each category to bring supply/demand in balance.
I guess they don't teach marketing in schools these days
Garbage.
They don't have to standardise a Celeron or Sempron system.
If they're using Celerons then they're using the same platform as a P4.
Pretty much the same for a Sempron and Athlon64 system.
It makes no difference to plug a Celeron into a desktop system rather than a P4, its not going to be any different hardware wise.
If your company is running Intel platforms for example , then it WILL save you money to implement Celerons instead of P4's where you can.
FACT.
Keysplayr
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What multiple platforms? Major corps usually replace PC's every 5 to 6 years, or whenever they feel they need to. And when they do, they buy all the same PC's for everyone. I know, I was the purchaser for all PC's and computer related hardware for a very large laboratory about 5 years ago. We bought Dell. All Dell. All Celerons. Unless otherwise specified for specialized applications. Still unclear what you're getting at.
And after reading your second little paragraph up there, I suddenly realize you don't really know what you're talking about do you?
Companies exist to make money. It takes money to make money, but lets do it while spending as little money as possible shall we?
Even if a Celeron system was only 25.00 less than a P4 system, (it's more, but we will use your 25.00) the cost savings on say 500 computers would be what?
500 computers is a small to mid sized company. Go fortune 100, and you're looking at global corporations with tens of thousands of employees. Now tell me that 25.00 per PC doesn't matter.
Do me a favor. Just try one more time to make your point clearer to us, because I don't want to go on with this if I am misunderstanding you somehow.
Agree 100%.
The company I work for is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, of its type in Europe.
They certainly have no hesitation in implementing Celeron systems. And it's all about money.
The difference between a P4 and a Celeron is reduced somewhat once you have both machines on a poorly-maintained corporate network, which ours is. And, as previously mentioned, Celerons and P4s are interchangeable, this can be done without software changes being necessary, so it isn't really multiple platforms.
$ is the main reason for doing this once they find out there's no real advantage in having a laptop or workstation with a P4, when you can have a Celeron for much less if you consider they deploy thousands of these things at once.
As somebody pointed out earlier, servers are a VERY different matter.
I bought 33,000 pcs and 2,100 servers last year. How many dd you buy?
The company I work for has 600 pc applications that run the business. They must be qualified on new hardware. That is a very time consuming and costly process. You speak of being in business to make money. I've seen a bad network driver take down a network. How much money do you think that costs?
Then there's all the purchasing overhead. Big corporations don't order pcs one at a time so you can get what you want. They order them 10,000 at a time and they are all the same. It's a complete waste of money to say an accountant gets machine a, while a sales guy gets machine b. You get one machine, and deploy it everywhere, and in order to do that you don't buy at the bottom. When I worked for one of the Big 3, end uses weren't even allowed to order a pc, you got what IT put on your desk. My current company allows you pick a desktop or a laptop.
Then there's the cost of lost opportunity. While the engineers are mucking around with something as stupid as a desktop pc, that's time that they are not using to improve the business.
I'm courious, do you work for a large company? We have 26,400 employees.
like questar above,
This is accurate w/ my company too and we're 170,000 strong.
I think we depreciate our pc's over 3 years.
This is accurate w/ my company too and we're 170,000 strong.
I think we depreciate our pc's over 3 years.
Keysplayr
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Largest company I worked for was about 1/10th the size of yours at about 2500 or so.
I still don't see how what I said is different than what you said. Unless you are saying that your company buys top of the line PC's for every new rollout. Which is pretty dern dumb if they are all just going to be the same anyway. Does Barbara in Accounts Payable need a X2 4800+ desktop to print checks and pay vendors? Probably not. Does a programmer as well? Unlikely. 33,000 PC's eh? for 26,400 employees? So where do the extra 6600 computers go? Ebay?
800 software developers get two each. 3,000 in training rooms. 1,000 in stock for deployment. Same number waiting to get wiped and retired. A couple of hundred for hot swap. A couple of hundred in employee homes. Departmental loaners.
We are on a 3 year refresh, which means we replace just over 11,000 a year. We operate on a two year product cycle, so at the beginning of the two years, yes, we are buying the top of the line. At the end of two years we are in the middle. We currently deploy 2.8Ghz P4 desktops and dual core Yonah laptops. We will switch over to Conroe systems late this year, early next (expecting 3 POC units Friday - Yippe!). Laptops are out of sync with desktops, we just switched from P-M to dual core Yonah systems about two months ago. Probably will not switch our laptop platform for two years, except we are going to add a tablet system shortly.
i dont know that was just my theory ,
also i didnt say they want to hold off conroe, i said they want to get rid off netburst first, so at first, i dont think they will want to sell a lot of conroe , like henry said, conroe will prolly be in best system like XPS700, and a decent XPS700 can cost up to $3000, they dont have to worry about not enough conroe, in the mean time they can get rid off netburst through cheap comps like XPS400, XPS200 ...
Agree with Questar. I work for a government entity with 2000 employees. Only last year did we switch to MS XP from 2000, primarily because IT department wanted to have common platform as much as possible. Although they were buying replacement computers preloaded with XP they would use a standard image to build the computer. So they ordered them and continue to order new computers with puny hard drives and would order P4 Willamette if they could.
By the way the head buyer has a thing for HP and Intel so that is what we get. I feel that alot of business purchases are made the same way, Intel because that's what they always bought. Looks like alot of them will be vindicated for staying with Intel with Core Duo and its progeny. Although employees like me will not see Core Duo until my company can no longer find P4's netburst.
That is why Intel maintains a massive lead in marketshare.
By the way the head buyer has a thing for HP and Intel so that is what we get. I feel that alot of business purchases are made the same way, Intel because that's what they always bought. Looks like alot of them will be vindicated for staying with Intel with Core Duo and its progeny. Although employees like me will not see Core Duo until my company can no longer find P4's netburst.
That is why Intel maintains a massive lead in marketshare.
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None of the companies I've ever worked for has ever used celeron or duron computers. It's always been higher end stuff.
Buying celerons does not save a company money. Think about it. A computer is cheap; employees are expensive. Buying a celeron box instead of a P4 box will probably save you only about ~$100-$200 per box. The average employee on the otherhand costs ~$40000/year. The upgrade cycle is typically 3 years long so you're only saving $66.67/yr. The extra performance a P4 provides only has to increase the productivity of its user by 0.17% in order justify it's added expense. Not many users are very demanding computer users but increasing productivity by 0.17% is not a difficult to attain goal.
Buying celerons does not save a company money. Think about it. A computer is cheap; employees are expensive. Buying a celeron box instead of a P4 box will probably save you only about ~$100-$200 per box. The average employee on the otherhand costs ~$40000/year. The upgrade cycle is typically 3 years long so you're only saving $66.67/yr. The extra performance a P4 provides only has to increase the productivity of its user by 0.17% in order justify it's added expense. Not many users are very demanding computer users but increasing productivity by 0.17% is not a difficult to attain goal.
For ITGuy, see this article DigiTimes article on Conroe (Core Duo) supply Plus discounts to large purchasers.
Just a small comment on my part........
Everytime I walk into a rival company, or any company for that matter. I always look at their computer gear/hardware. The dates on monitors for example (usually 6+ years old) And all equipment yellowed from fluorescent lights and age.
Most companies HATE to spend money on anything!...... especially on computers!
I've seen employees BEG companies to upgrade and there's not a budge.
Everytime I walk into a rival company, or any company for that matter. I always look at their computer gear/hardware. The dates on monitors for example (usually 6+ years old) And all equipment yellowed from fluorescent lights and age.
Most companies HATE to spend money on anything!...... especially on computers!
I've seen employees BEG companies to upgrade and there's not a budge.
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