We will be waiting forever for Conroes

[imported_ITguy]

Be prepared to wait for months after Conroes official launch before you can actually get one and even then they will probably be selling at far over list prices due to lack of availability.

The reasons for this are below.

1. Conroes are huge and take up huge die space even at 65nm.
2. Yields for Conroes are poor which means lower volume and higher costs.
3. There are continued supply problems with coordinating chipsets again.
4. Conroe is Intel's lowest margin new technology chip and has the lowest manufacturing priority behind Woodcrest which will take nearly 100% of Intel's manufacturing efforts.
5. The vast majority of fab space is reserved for Woodcrest as it is a much much more important chip for Intel's revenues.
6. That is why Intel's own roadmap says that 75% of their desktop chip volume will still be netburst on Jan. 1st 2007.

Just don't get your hopes up on realistically getting a Conroe soon. Paper launches are done for a reason, they slow competitors sales due to advertising and they maximize the profit per chip that is produced due to higher prices caused by low supply.

 

[Furen]

Can you offer any evidence for your assertions or can we assume it to be FUD? While I doubt Conroe will be very widely available at first I dont quite agree with some of your reasons.

Conroe's die size is around 140 sq. mm, hardly what I'd call huge, though significantly bigger than Yonah. I have not heard anything to indicate Conroe's yields are worse than what one would expect from a newly introduced technology, though you are quite correct in saying that Conroe will be competing for fab space with other chips--the 65nm Netbursts, Yonah and Woodcrest. Lastly, manufacturers tend to follow their own price lists so if price gouging does happen (I'd guess it will) it should happen at the retail/distribuitor level, so Intel won't benefit from it.

 

[swtethan]

HELLO MR DEFAULT TROLL AVATAR

 

[jlbenedict]

*yawn*

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: swtethan
HELLO MR DEFAULT TROLL AVATAR

 

[Markbnj]

Originally posted by: swtethan
HELLO MR DEFAULT TROLL AVATAR

ROFL

 

[golem]

Have you noticed there are a couple of new junior members running around writing negative information about conroe without posting any links to back it up?

 

[broly8877]

I think Conroe's die size is smaller than presler's lol

 

[Ika]

must be an AMD worker.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: golem
Have you noticed there are a couple of new junior members running around writing negative information about conroe without posting any links to back it up?

They could be vendors that get kickbacks from AMD sales. Hey, I said "could be".

ITGuyyyyyyy............... Where AAAAARRRRREEEE youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...??????

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: ITguy
Be prepared to be bombarded by FUD!

Oh noes!

 

[stevty2889]

Better tell that to these guys then..they are showing Conroe going for sale July 5th.. not that I actualy expect them to be available then, but by september at the latest should be fairly easy to get ahold of.

 

[Trey22]

Huge die space envy!

Go away idiot.

 

[Keysplayr]

Was it the E660 or E6700 that was supposed to be 319.00 retail?

::::checks wallet:::::

Oh, it's as good as owned.

This thread is probably just a last ditch effort to get people to buy what they can now and not wait any longer. Why? Only the OP knows.

 

[the Chase]

Blah they should be on time- heck the Quad core Kentsfield CPU is already being previewed and runs on an existing mobo.

 

[HostofFun]

Meh, he's just some teen who thinks he's doing a service by pushing what he thinks aren't his own opinionated biased views onto us and trying to scare us into not buying Conroes. He really probably does think he is helping us out with his great knowledge, for some demented psychotic reason in which only he could comprehend the meaning of. I once saw someone typing on a forum in my college comp. lab awhile back a post like this, about a now-ancient product, and that is basically what I could gather. I have no doubts that this person is similar.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: ITguy
Be prepared to wait for months after Conroes official launch before you can actually get one and even then they will probably be selling at far over list prices due to lack of availability.

The reasons for this are below.

1. Conroes are huge and take up huge die space even at 65nm.
2. Yields for Conroes are poor which means lower volume and higher costs.
3. There are continued supply problems with coordinating chipsets again.
4. Conroe is Intel's lowest margin new technology chip and has the lowest manufacturing priority behind Woodcrest which will take nearly 100% of Intel's manufacturing efforts.
5. The vast majority of fab space is reserved for Woodcrest as it is a much much more important chip for Intel's revenues.
6. That is why Intel's own roadmap says that 75% of their desktop chip volume will still be netburst on Jan. 1st 2007.

Just don't get your hopes up on realistically getting a Conroe soon. Paper launches are done for a reason, they slow competitors sales due to advertising and they maximize the profit per chip that is produced due to higher prices caused by low supply.

Hmmm......these seem to make sense, but that appears to be the case for every major cpu redesign. To portray it as merely a paper launch however is just plain stupid.

Im using a Yonah laptop now and I :heart: it so much.............

 

[theteamaqua]

i really hope hge is bs, but theres a chance what he said will happen. i relaly dont think intel will try their best to produce as much as possible, since they can build up the hype much like xbox360, and also in the mean time they can jacked up the price. Also, they will prolly give a lot of conroe to dell, hp , voodoo, u know i really ahte those companies, building crappy pc and sell people for about 1.5 times the value, ie 3000 pc they sell for 4500

i hate voodoo, dell , hp and many other computer maker for those reasons, i just hope that i can get conroe through retail cahnnel like fry or something ....

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: ITguy
1. Conroes are huge and take up huge die space even at 65nm.

False. It will be smaller than presler.

2. Yields for Conroes are poor which means lower volume and higher costs.

Probably false. Why would the yields be low? The 65nm process is very mature at Intel. When AMD started making the am2, which is sorta a new part as far as manufacturing goes since it uses new masks, they didn't have any probs.

3. There are continued supply problems with coordinating chipsets again.

Doubt it. The conroe works wil 975 chipsets and maybe some lower end ones also. The primary change will be with a new VRM. (easy to do)

4. Conroe is Intel's lowest margin new technology chip and has the lowest manufacturing priority behind Woodcrest which will take nearly 100% of Intel's manufacturing efforts.

The only true thing in your post. Woodcrest will naturally be favored since it is the money maker.

5. The vast majority of fab space is reserved for Woodcrest as it is a much much more important chip for Intel's revenues.

This just reiterates #4

6. That is why Intel's own roadmap says that 75% of their desktop chip volume will still be netburst on Jan. 1st 2007.

True but this is no surprise. It's never economical to change over production overnight.

The real question is who were you before you were banned?

The availability for conroe will probably be tight at first in my opinion. If intel had priced the conroe higher, this wouldn't be an issue. The key issue affecting availability is how many conroes has intel been stockpiling for launch?

 

[Henny]

4. I'm sure Intel would salivate at the thought of filling up it's three 300mm/65nm fabs with Woodcrest. However it ain't gunna happen. The total avail. server market is much much smaller then desktop and mobile.

6. There's a concept called market segmentation. Conroe comes in at the top and pushes Presslers down into mainstream and older generations become Celerons for the value segment. I'm sure Intel would love it if the entire market said heck with price and demanded 100% Core 2 Duo CPU's.

 

[imported_Questar]

6. That is why Intel's own roadmap says that 75% of their desktop chip volume will still be netburst on Jan. 1st 2007.

Because corporate purchasers (the vast majority on Intels busniess) don't change system architecture at the drop of a dime.

It's not a matter of supply, it's a matter of demand.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Questar

6. That is why Intel's own roadmap says that 75% of their desktop chip volume will still be netburst on Jan. 1st 2007.

Because corporate purchasers (the vast majority on Intels busniess) don't change system architecture at the drop of a dime.

It's not a matter of supply, it's a matter of demand.

Corporate purchasers don't really enter into it...and it's more like 90%, not 75%.
75% of the mid to high-end desktops will be Netburst, but the vast majority of desktops don't fall into that category...they are (as Questar says) corporate users, and they are almost all Celeron and Sempron desktop systems.

 

[imported_Questar]

and they are almost all Celeron and Sempron desktop systems.

Your usuall bullshit. Name more than one fortune 100 company that has standarized on a Celeron or Sempron. Provide the link.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Questar

and they are almost all Celeron and Sempron desktop systems.

Your usuall bullshit. Name more than one fortune 100 company that has standarized on a Celeron or Sempron. Provide the link.

Probably all corporations use Celerons/Semprons whenever possible. They figure over the costs of potentially hundreds to thousands of computers and using Celerons over Pentium4's time a thousand, well, thats quite a bit of savings there. You don't get to be a fortune 100 company by being a fool with money. Servers are a different story. I am talking desktops and laptops here of course.

 

[imported_Questar]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Questar

and they are almost all Celeron and Sempron desktop systems.

Your usuall bullshit. Name more than one fortune 100 company that has standarized on a Celeron or Sempron. Provide the link.

Probably all corporations use Celerons/Semprons whenever possible. They figure over the costs of potentially hundreds to thousands of computers and using Celerons over Pentium4's time a thousand, well, thats quite a bit of savings there. You don't get to be a fortune 100 company by being a fool with money. Servers are a different story. I am talking desktops and laptops here of course.

The costs of maintaining multiple platforms is much, much, higher.

Every enterprise class company that I have ever heard of has standardized hardware. Companies are not going to spend thousands qualifying a celeron system so some department can save $25 on a pc.