When things go your way it's great! When they don't, it's racism!
Please tell me this isn't real....
Please tell me this isn't real....
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^^No in my opinion the EC undermines elections, how many chose not to vote because they are in a safe Red or Blue State. Why should one vote in Alaska carry more than twice the "weight/influence" than my vote. How many Americans just don't understand the EC at all and assume its a direct vote setup.
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What does that have to do with what I wrote? Also why would you think I would want libera advocacy sites as sources? They are not very credible.
I find people often mistake 'credible' for 'agrees with me' and then expect others to do the same.
It's probably real...and written by two entirely different people. For example during the Iraq War Slate would frequently have articles by Hitchens saying the war was great right next to ones saying it was a war crime.
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OP's motivations and possible hypocrisy are irrelevant. The issue is whether we ought to keep the EC or just use the popular vote. It's a given that people will raise an issue like this after their candidate loses but perhaps not if it goes the other way. Yet it has no bearing on the merits of the arguments for or against. I'm against the EC because it is fundamentally undemocratic and because it puts too much weight on close voting states, causing candidates to message based on the needs of only that select group of voters. I've been against it since the 1980's and my stance on it is not likely to ever change.
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Did you guys seriously not notice that they were written by entirely different people?
I'm going to assume that you never read Slate because you believe it is part of the Worldwide Liberal Conspiracy but it has articles that disagree with other articles on there all the time.
Some people would view this as a good thing. I guess they are more interested in reading interesting things than ideological conformity though.
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I actually do not, which is what ATP&N is. In 2012, liberals defended EC because it went their way. In 2016, they oppose it because it went against them.
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Yup, and moreover, the first article is a guest opinion written by a federal judge, while the second is written by a Slate staff writer.
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Psst....guys the article has two powerful conservative trigger words. Sexism and White Supremacy (in other words Racism)
I can't say it helps your case. More along the lines of the media reports what they agree with when it's applicable. Just proves the point that the electoral college wasn't an issue 4 or 8 years ago.
Yeah, look at this flaming liberal. Wut.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Posner
Quick note for you, Obama would have won either with or without the electoral college in 2012 so your argument makes no sense.
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All you did was repeat the original accusation of alleged media hypocrisy. You failed to refute what he said in response, which is that Slate frequently publishes differing opinions on a variety of issues, not just EC v. PV.
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The topic of discussion here is the EC vs popular vote. Simply saying "Hey, this media company occasionally posts that they like kittens and occasionally posts that they like doggies" has no relevance to the original topic of discussion nor the topic of media bias. Your basis is ridiculously laughable in simply saying "Hey now, Slate likes Apples, but they also say they like Oranges too!" Next..
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I actually do not, which is what ATP&N is. In 2012, liberals defended EC because it went their way. In 2016, they oppose it because it went against them.
No it is not, there are thousands of different opinions on here. If it was an echo chamber, everybody on this forum would agree with you or they all would agree with me or they all would agree with Jask..... that is the definition of an echo chamber. This is the exact opposite of an echo chamber.... for fucks sake it is damn near a blood sport!
Yes. In case you didn't realize it conservatism is not defined as 'whatever the Republican Party wants'. Thank you for confirming that he is generally identified as a political conservative though.
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That's all the mainstreammediapropagandists can seem to say anymore.
See what I mean
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African Americans nearly universally preferred Hillary in the primaries but that doesn't mean they particularly disliked Bernie (exit pollling showed otherwise, and even showed that they viewed him as more trustworthy) or would have turned in significantly less to vote for him (much less swing votes to Trump). If we were looking at Obama as the alternative that'd be one thing but Hillary's capture of the black vote was nothing special. Hillary's 88% is a lot like Kerry (88%) and Dukakis (89%), two white men from MA whom I doubt did more to energize that base than Bernie would have.
On the other hand, the millenial vote gave a much bigger chunk to third parties in 2016 than they did in 2012, and that was the demo Bernie excited (http://civicyouth.org/an-estimated-24-million-young-people-vote-in-2016-election/). So there could have been some shift there, especially among the known "Berning Green" or "Feel the Johnson" dissenters who supported Bernie in the primaries.
This election the closest margin states were MI, WI, PA, FL, and NH which had a margin of 1.2% or less. MN was at 1.5%, and the rest were 2.4% or higher. I'm pretty confident Bernie would have kept NH and MN, so the question is if he would have swung any of the other blue states red. That would be a fairly big shift. Maybe NV but I doubt any others. Meanwhile, I definitely see him as having better chances with MI, WI, and PA than Hillary did, simply because he hit a lot of the same messages that wooed working class white people that Trump did, and because he didn't have the kind of baggage Hillary did. His performance in MI and WI where he won despite a big loss among the 10%+ African American population in those states shows that he resonated well with primary voters there. Normally this wouldn't really apply much to the general elections, but in these states a lot of people who voted for Obama in 2012 voted for Trump or neither major candidate in 2016. There was probably some overlap between that group and the primary voters.
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