We Study Fascism, and We're Leaving the U.S.

[gothuevos]

but I also don't think it's already over.

Genuine question, why not?

 

[woolfe9998]

Do you already have a pretty good chance of them accepting you, you think?

Good question. Biggest problem is that immigration there is usually job based, like you have a job offer from a company there. Yet I'm near retirement age and I am in an occupation (law) that doesn't transfer well to other countries. Still, I met a British couple who were able to retire there, without ever working there. So in 2-3 years when I have the money I'll look into it. Will also look into Australia and Canada.

 

[Brainonska511]

Not everyone can afford to leave at a moment's notice, whether because of money or family connections. Keep that in mind. However, other than these practical realities, I see no reason for any thinking person to stick around here.

I would point out that it can be very difficult to emmigrate from where you live, even when language barriers are not an issue. Plenty of barriers to navigate to obtain permanent residency elsewhere, family and friends being reasons to stay, and not having enough capital to be able to pick up and leave.

 

[woolfe9998]

I would point out that it can be very difficult to emmigrate from where you live, even when language barriers are not an issue. Plenty of barriers to navigate to obtain permanent residency elsewhere, family and friends being reasons to stay, and not having enough capital to be able to pick up and leave.

Yup, it can be very difficult. All working class and most middle class have little to no chance of being able to do it.

I wonder if some democracies may eventually open up more immigration from Americans, as things here become more and more authoritarian. They aren't there yet, but maybe after a couple more years of this.

 

[Indus]

Yup, it can be very difficult. All working class and most middle class have little to no chance of being able to do it.

I wonder if some democracies may eventually open up more immigration from Americans, as things here become more and more authoritarian. They aren't there yet, but maybe after a couple more years of this.

It's always.. what skills do you have/ bring with you?

Investment is the easiest route usually and is expedited.

Then need for certain skills.

Refugees are usually the last ones on the list.

 

[hal2kilo]

It's always.. what skills do you have/ bring with you?

Investment is the easiest route usually and is expedited.

Then need for certain skills.

Refugees are usually the last ones on the list.

Well, there's always Belize, history of English based law, they love retirees. Also, the people are very friendly. Medical stuff is the worry.

 

[Indus]

Well, there's always Belize, history of English based law, they love retirees. Also, the people are very friendly. Medical stuff is the worry.

I was looking at Spain but they got rid of investment via real estate as housing was a problem and they couldn't be seen favoring foreigners over their own citizens.

 

[nakedfrog]

Genuine question, why not?

Not sure exactly how to answer this? Maybe because it's only been four fucking months, no elections have been cancelled, no martial law has been declared, the administration is taking L after L in the court system, protests are continuing unabated, there are no glaring signs to me that it's already over.
What makes you think it already is?

You know, actually, don't bother, with your doomer history I'm not likely to see things your way regardless.

Good question. Biggest problem is that immigration there is usually job based, like you have a job offer from a company there. Yet I'm near retirement age and I am in an occupation (law) that doesn't transfer well to other countries. Still, I met a British couple who were able to retire there, without ever working there. So in 2-3 years when I have the money I'll look into it. Will also look into Australia and Canada.

Yeah, that's sort of why I ask, it's easy to say one has decided to move to another country, but pulling it off isn't necessarily quite so straight-forward
Not sure if them being British would make it easier for them with the Commonwealth connection.

 

[Brainonska511]

I was looking at Spain but they got rid of investment via real estate as housing was a problem and they couldn't be seen favoring foreigners over their own citizens.

Story as old as time. People would rather blame others than just allowing more homes to be built.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Not sure exactly how to answer this? Maybe because it's only been four fucking months, no elections have been cancelled, no martial law has been declared, the administration is taking L after L in the court system, protests are continuing unabated, there are no glaring signs to me that it's already over.

More like the courts are taking L after L when there is no mechanism to make the regime follow their lawful orders since the 6 Republican clerics on the supreme court made Fat Hitler above the law.

 

[nakedfrog]

More like the courts are taking L after L when there is no mechanism to make the regime follow their lawful orders since the 6 Republican clerics on the supreme court made Fat Hitler above the law.

Okay ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Paratus]

Yup, it can be very difficult. All working class and most middle class have little to no chance of being able to do it.

I wonder if some democracies may eventually open up more immigration from Americans, as things here become more and more authoritarian. They aren't there yet, but maybe after a couple more years of this.

Yup. Tentatively looked at working or retirement relocations to New Zealand, Australia, Ireland, Canada, and France especially if we are RIF’d.

They’ve all have challenges. Australia is prohibitively expensive to bring animals and importing household items is difficult.

New Zealand needs engineers so is potentially an option if we found a company willing to sponsor.

Ireland wants a significant annuity equal to their state supported retirement if you retire there.

Canada’s housing market is very expensive.

France has a large expat community of Americans a lower retirement requirement than Ireland but if you want to work you must have proficiency in French.

 

[cytg111]

Leave? Life is about.... I am sure one can find perks by living amongst nazis

 

[nakedfrog]

Leave? Life is about.... I am sure one can find perks by living amongst nazis

As I recall it, the French Resistance was a bit helpful, yes?

 

[Greenman]

Good question. Biggest problem is that immigration there is usually job based, like you have a job offer from a company there. Yet I'm near retirement age and I am in an occupation (law) that doesn't transfer well to other countries. Still, I met a British couple who were able to retire there, without ever working there. So in 2-3 years when I have the money I'll look into it. Will also look into Australia and Canada.

I looked into immigrating to NZ after reading your prior post, there are several ways of going about it. Lots of good info on their website.

 

[kage69]

Is it, though? We are finding out this is who we were, all along.

If I had stage 4 pancreatic cancer I would just stop giving a fuck altogether.

That's it? Just going to ignore the direct question to support this belief of yours, just going to repeat the belief? Seems like you know your premise is horseshit.

But yeah, you've 'got a lot of quit in you,' no argument there.


"No one cares" "I would just stop giving a fuck"

I wish you believed that, maybe you wouldn't be so attached to nonsense. Go get some sunshine man, vitamin D is your friend.

 

[woolfe9998]

As I recall it, the French Resistance was a bit helpful, yes?

That's because they were working with allied powers, strong countries who would militarily intervene using intelligence they provided. If they had to do it on their own, they'd have been useless.

Any resistance to fascism in this country is something we have to do on our own. If you or anyone else has any bright ideas about how to get us out of this, then let me know. Until I hear a good one, the plan is to depart as soon as life permits.

 

[kage69]

I think we would see something like in the Handmaids Tale, where Canada and Europe lend subtle support and cooperation to the American side; standing up to the christofascists, yet still having to be diplomatic and engage with them at times.

We'd do the heavy lifting, that's for sure.

 

[gothuevos]

That's it? Just going to ignore the direct question to support this belief of yours, just going to repeat the belief? Seems like you know your premise is horseshit.

But yeah, you've 'got a lot of quit in you,' no argument there.


"No one cares" "I would just stop giving a fuck"

I wish you believed that, maybe you wouldn't be so attached to nonsense. Go get some sunshine man, vitamin D is your friend.

Spoken like another one who fell for the myth that enough Americans care about things like liberty and freedom.

This myth was shattered for some in 2017, many more in 2024, yet some still cling to the notion that the good guys will win the day.

Reminds me of a line from Batman vs Superman, "20 years in Gotham...how many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?"

I'll continue to live and enjoy my life to the extent that I can, but I am done caring about things changing for the better.

 

[Jaskalas]

Leave? Life is about.... I am sure one can find perks by living amongst nazis

Who said anything about living Nazis?
The only reason not to flee America, is if a person wants to live in a war zone.

 

[Jaskalas]

Pile on the alarm bells.

Science Tells Us the U.S. Is Heading toward a Dictatorship​

The red flags abound—political research tells us the U.S. is becoming an autocracy​

 

[kage69]

Still vomiting doom while running away from backing your shit up. Tiresome. Successful voter suppression != national cultural shift towards fascism. You're confusing this with long established racism I think.

But no matter, unless you can indicate who how and when Trumpism existed before Trump, you don't have a point beyond defeatism. Yes, go "enjoy" your life. Stuff sucks right now, no reason not to fight it.

 

[gothuevos]

Still vomiting doom while running away from backing your shit up. Tiresome. Successful voter suppression != national cultural shift towards fascism. You're confusing this with long established racism I think.

But no matter, unless you can indicate who how and when Trumpism existed before Trump, you don't have a point beyond defeatism. Yes, go "enjoy" your life. Stuff sucks right now, no reason not to fight it.

Still holding onto that myth of American exceptionalism? 2020 should have shattered that, when Biden won with the narrowest of wins and Trump drastically increased his vote share. This is just who we are.

Trump's approval rating is slowing improving while Dems aren stuck in the 20s. Go ahead and "fight" that lol. We've all taken the L here, some just don't see it yet.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Its wild to see the defeatism.

I mean, in a way I get it, but even today's America is more liberal than the America of the 60's and 70's where you could get drafted to go die for a mistake, or hell pre-integration where there was literally a black and white America, or Jim Crow, or straight up fucking slavery.

America is and will always be a country of dualities. Yes we have our regressive elements, but look where we started and look how far we've come, and at every step of the way there was some radical progressive saying "fuck this shit, I'm not ok with this, let's make things better" dragging this country forward kicking and screaming.

Trump, project 2025, the conservative mindjack, these are all set-backs but they are not defeats. Not ever. Not in America.

 

[kage69]

Still holding onto that myth of American exceptionalism? 2020 should have shattered that, when Biden won with the narrowest of wins and Trump drastically increased his vote share. This is just who we are.

Trump's approval rating is slowing improving while Dems aren stuck in the 20s. Go ahead and "fight" that lol. We've all taken the L here, some just don't see it yet.

Nope, just waiting for you to support your assertions with something more than horseshit and strawmen. You have the burden of proof for your claim and you are running from it like a coward. lol indeed.

When do you care more about supporting your argument than trying to convince others what "we" should do? Put the Team Treason pom poms down for a moment, find yourself a premise that isn't bullshit. Repeating the bullshit doesn't support it, how do you not understand this?