we should ban intel CPU

jjyiz28

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http://www.redhill.net.au/c-2.html
"It seems hard to believe now, but even leaving the main board aside, the 386DX-25 CPU was very, very expensive when it first came out. This is almost always the case with the fastest parts, and these were the fastest chip on the planet in their day. As so often with the leading-edge parts, they sold in tiny numbers. We sold a couple of ALR DX-25 machines back in 1989 for about $5000 each, without monitor. As a trade-in now, they'd not be worth five dollars?indeed, we would have to pay someone to take them away.

The biggest single reason that their leading-edge equivalent today, an Athlon XP or a Pentium 4, costs less than a quarter as much is not technical progress (though the progress of the hardware side of the industry truly has been massive), nor is it manufacturing efficiency (though this too has improved a great deal: it is competition. In 1989 if you wanted a powerful X86 computer CPU there was only one supplier, and the price was whatever they cared to make it.

It is very different now, of course, and it was with the now-humble but then leading-edge 386DX-25 that AMD made their entry into the X86 business as a competitor in their own right.
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seriously, its bad enough major OEM's only supply intel chips. but for enthusiasts that are a very small minority in relation to big picture, sways between amd and intel makes it worse. i mean cmon, if you want high end, get a A64, if you want price performance, get a 2500+ barton, if you want cheap, get tbred.
 

Eli

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I take it you didn't even read what you posted?

The reason CPUs are cheap is because of competition.

Without Intel, there would be no competition.

But I agree.. AMD needs support.
 

Kilgor

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Do you actually think that if the roles were reversed AMD would do any different? :confused:
 

jjyiz28

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if ALL enthusiasts support AMD, intel still will have a big edge, what w/the OEM. its not like if we all banded togethor intel will be gone. just to suggest that AMD doesn't go away, not INTEL to go bye bye. no what i mean?
 

jjyiz28

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"Right throughout the Nineties Intel had the nasty habit of selling overpriced systems on the strength of the future CPU products that would 'just plug in' to make the platform 'future-proof', and then not delivering, or only delivering when it was far too late to be any practical value. This was cynical, predatory, and very profitable: they got to sell an expensive, over-engineered system on the strength of its long-term viability, but the promised ability to perform a low-cost chip upgrade didn't materialise until it was too late to be of use. To make matters worse, the upgrade chip itself was usually so expensive that it was just as easy to change the whole system over anyway.
They did this with 486 systems and the Pentium Overdrive, and then repeated the scam with Pentium Pro systems and the Pentium Pro Overdrive. This was was actually a version of the Pentium II repackaged to plug into the Pentium Pro's Socket 8. The cache module sat on top of the CPU itself, under the fan. Performance was similar to the standard Pentium II. It was supposed to be out by January 1998 but appeared very, very late.

The same exact thing happened with Slot 1, and then 100MHz Slot 1, and then the various incompatible versions of Socket 370. Doubtless they are still trying some variation of the same old three-card trick with the Pentium 4, but people have long since learned never to take Intel's promises about upgrade paths seriously.."

now, the prescott being unsupported by 875/865.
 

StageLeft

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How does that support banning intel?

As I see it they jacked up prices because they could. There was no competition. That's capitalism.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Intel was stagnent for a while until the Athlon came out. Motorolla was VERY stagnant with the CPUs it was selling Apple until the exclusivity contract wore out and they went to IBM. How long did Apple have to say the 500MHz G4 was the latest and greatest?
 

brtspears2

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CPU's and mobos are plenty cheap these days you know. The Intel brand name got quite a bit of gas behind it, reason why people buy it.
 

Anubis

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the large comp distributors need to start selling AMD systems again gateway and Micron used tu but they stoppef for some reason. sure i can get a prebuilt AMD sys from Voodoo or Falcon NW but these cost more then my car the main stream chips are teh same prce AMDs usially being cheaper. why dont retailers sell them in thericomps?
 

oLLie

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Originally posted by: Anubis
the large comp distributors need to start selling AMD systems again gateway and Micron used tu but they stoppef for some reason. sure i can get a prebuilt AMD sys from Voodoo or Falcon NW but these cost more then my car the main stream chips are teh same prce AMDs usially being cheaper. why dont retailers sell them in thericomps?

I imagine it's the same reason most restaurants carry only Pepsi or Coke, not both; they're on the payroll.
 

GroundZero

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well i for one will stick with my intel.
too many bad experiences with shltty products from amd
 

amdskip

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Originally posted by: GroundZero
well i for one will stick with my intel.
too many bad experiences with shltty products from amd
O whatever, this is just a flaming thread.

Do you mean chipsets because thats different.

 

BatmanNate

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So let me get this straight...we ban Intel, there is no competition for AMD, and we're back to paying 5 large for a CPU? You genius, you.
 

BatmanNate

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Originally posted by: amdskip
Originally posted by: GroundZero
well i for one will stick with my intel.
too many bad experiences with shltty products from amd
O whatever, this is just a flaming thread.

Do you mean chipsets because thats different.


The last AMD cpu he used was a K6 variant.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: Anubis
the large comp distributors need to start selling AMD systems again gateway and Micron used tu but they stoppef for some reason. sure i can get a prebuilt AMD sys from Voodoo or Falcon NW but these cost more then my car the main stream chips are teh same prce AMDs usially being cheaper. why dont retailers sell them in thericomps?

The Cpu's fail and cause lots of warranty claims.


compaqs and a few HP's are mostly AMD models.
 

MaxDepth

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AMD is betting the farm on 64. Intel is grabbing market share and fanboys with the P4 2.6C.

IBM is weighing in with PowerPC chips for Apple and (soon to be) 2nd gen xBox.

For AMD to maintain stability, it needs to recapture the low-end OEM sales and have chipsets dominate the PDAs. I agree that prices would be very different (prolly much, much higher) without AMD. And that in turn could cause a longer stagnation in the computer market. All that fanboy rah-rah stuff was neat, to a certain point. They need to still keep an eye on the enthusiast's market, but they need to grow up and start carrying serious price talks with major OEMs.
 

CraigRT

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I Hate Intel too... but that's fine. their overpriced garbage sells, so that AMD's prices are low :)

yay!
 

Chunkee

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Originally posted by: GroundZero
well i for one will stick with my intel.
too many bad experiences with shltty products from amd

more than likely it was shi**y user error