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We need Universal Healthcare.

It's not that bad... really. Your insurance company can't just drop you because you get sick. If you lose/change your job you can keep your insurance. Yeah, it will cost more but it's cheaper than paying medical out of your pocket.

I guess I just object to the entire premise of your post.
 
Not Universal Healthcare. Universal Health Insurance.

Trust me, I've had experience with heavily FDA-regulated drugs. Universal Healthcare would be a worse situation than what we have now.
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
It's not that bad... really. Your insurance company can't just drop you because you get sick. If you lose/change your job you can keep your insurance. Yeah, it will cost more but it's cheaper than paying medical out of your pocket.

I guess I just object to the entire premise of your post.
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What about someone who gets Cancer when they have no insurance. They will never get insurance or treatment now.
 
Originally posted by: Johntk5
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
It's not that bad... really. Your insurance company can't just drop you because you get sick. If you lose/change your job you can keep your insurance. Yeah, it will cost more but it's cheaper than paying medical out of your pocket.

I guess I just object to the entire premise of your post.
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What about someone who gets Cancer when they have no insurance. They will never get insurance or treatment now.
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Says who?
 
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Johntk5
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
It's not that bad... really. Your insurance company can't just drop you because you get sick. If you lose/change your job you can keep your insurance. Yeah, it will cost more but it's cheaper than paying medical out of your pocket.

I guess I just object to the entire premise of your post.
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What about someone who gets Cancer when they have no insurance. They will never get insurance or treatment now.
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Says who?
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Read the other thread, also insurance companies won't insure someone who already has cancer. It isn't profitable. Here they are expected to just die off. 🙁

Their only chance is if they can convince canada to let them migrate there.
 
This would be like expecting the government to deliver the mail. It would be a catastrophe. It would cost a hundred dollars to send mail across town.
 
What about all the fat, lazy, underemployed/unemployed minorities that will abuse it because they feel entitled to health care? These people are a burden to this capitalist theocracy. How is capitalism to continue to thrive with people like this mooching off of MY money just because they think they deserve to be healthy?!
 
Originally posted by: homercles337
What about all the fat, lazy, underemployed/unemployed minorities that will abuse it because they feel entitled to health care? These people are a burden to this capitalist theocracy. How is capitalism to continue to thrive with people like this mooching off of MY money just because they think they deserve to be healthy?!
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Haha, I hope that was sarcasm. :thumbsup:
 
universal healthcare is like communism, good in theory but bad in practice. im from taiwan, where they have universal healthcare. pros: everyone can get dirt cheap hospital visits for common illnesses. cons: doctors get paid less therefore it is harder to retain good doctors that know they can get paid more by moving. there is a reason why a lot of people still come to america for surgery.

as for canada having better cancer survival rate... first... im inclined not to believe it so unless i see a study from a reputable journal i highly doubt it. second, if it is true, it could also be because our average american diet is horrible and not because of our healthcare system.
 
So the only option is to put our health into the hands of the government. Good lord, you are a sort sighted sicko. Do some actual research on it rather than just listening to some heartbroke stories.
 
Originally posted by: Johntk5
Cancer survival rate in the U.S is very low compared to Canada.
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It's actually the other way around. Canada's healthcare system has become so bad that people are dying of cancer before they can be treated. The wait for cancer radiation treatment in Canada is 9 months, and many cancers kill you in less than 9 months.

The US has the best healthcare system in the world because it's not universal. Let's keep it that way.
 
Originally posted by: TITAN126
Originally posted by: Johntk5
Cancer survival rate in the U.S is very low compared to Canada.
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It's actually the other way around. Canada's healthcare system has become so bad that people are dying of cancer before they can be treated. The wait for cancer radiation treatment in Canada is 9 months, and many cancers kill you in less than 9 months.

The US has the best healthcare system in the world because it's not universal. Let's keep it that way.
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Well at least for those who have health insurance.
 
Originally posted by: TITAN126
Originally posted by: Johntk5
Cancer survival rate in the U.S is very low compared to Canada.
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It's actually the other way around. Canada's healthcare system has become so bad that people are dying of cancer before they can be treated. The wait for cancer radiation treatment in Canada is 9 months, and many cancers kill you in less than 9 months.

The US has the best healthcare system in the world because it's not universal. Let's keep it that way.
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I think you need to be clear. Our Health care is one of the best, if not these best, in many of the high end areas of treatment. However, it tends to turn to garbage on your more common maladies.
 
The US has the best healthcare system in the world because it's not universal. Let's keep it that way.
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Implying that not everyone gets or even deserves to get it?
It's obvious most people on this board are too young to have many issues with it. Wait till you get old and sick, and maybe you lose your job and pension the way millions of people have, and you get quoted 900 bucks a month for health coverage. You'll be begging for health care from the government.
 
Implying that not everyone gets or even deserves to get it?
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Well, the implication is that it won't be any good if it's universalized, but your point is a good one. The govt and medical industry have been in bed with each other for a long time. Since the govt is supposed to be by and for the people, you would think that it should work towards the health of all of its citizens.
 
Maybe we need a free market in health care where anybody who wants to practice can. You give your symptoms to an AI and it assigns you to somebody who can deal at that symptom level. You need to treat a cold you see somebody who has learned what there is to know about colds and for stitches you go to a small wounds man. No need to have a brain surgeon treat a sore toe.
 
Originally posted by: Johntk5
We are the only developed country were you can get cancer, lose your job, and have your insurance company drop you. Now your uninsurable, and will die because you have no health insurance.

This is a terrible thing.

This post is a perfect example:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1874498&enterthread=y
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Wrong. Welcome to P&N

You'll find many of the Republican and Rich faithful in here that feel that is the best thing, for all those that can't afford health care to die off.
 
Originally posted by: earthman
The US has the best healthcare system in the world because it's not universal. Let's keep it that way.
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Implying that not everyone gets or even deserves to get it?
It's obvious most people on this board are too young to have many issues with it. Wait till you get old and sick, and maybe you lose your job and pension the way millions of people have, and you get quoted 900 bucks a month for health coverage. You'll be begging for health care from the government.
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I'm sure that will be the case, but why should the government spend hundreds of billions (if not trillions) to give "Free" healthcare when reform would be so much more efficient?
 
Reform or Universal, something definatley needs to be done. There are many illness out ther that will make you sick enough not to work and at the same time take an average of "years" to diagnose. Not every disease and diagnosis is black and white, if you are unlucky enough to get something like lyme disease, lupus, multiple sclerosis you coud very likely lose your job because of your illness and not be able to pay for the insurance premiums to keep the insurance going.

It happened to me with lyme disease. I was unable to work the fall of 98 and didn't have insurance again until spring of 2002(medicare ssdi). This happens to many people in the current system. And all this is going on when your ill(not right in the head with some illnesses) and can't apply logic in decision making as a healthy person could.
 
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