we need to stop giving them attention. its what they want. thats part of the reason they keep doing it.

[shortylickens]

'Incel' man who hates women planned to kill sorority members at Ohio university: Prosecutors

Prosecutors said Tres Genco has interacted with an online community of mostly men who believe they are unjustly denied sexual attention.

abc7news.com

Also, I bet one whole dollar he did not have a machine gun. Those have been outlawed since the 80's and you need all kinds of special paperwork to get one of the few left floating around America. I doubt he had said paperwork.
I also doubt he had connections to the black market.

Former Army recruit and self-identified ‘incel’ planned mass shooting in Ohio, federal agents say

www.stripes.com

 

[nakedfrog]

Couldn't hack it in basic training, huh? Shocked, I tell ya. Kid needs mental help for sure.

 

[woolfe9998]

'Incel' man who hates women planned to kill sorority members at Ohio university: Prosecutors

Prosecutors said Tres Genco has interacted with an online community of mostly men who believe they are unjustly denied sexual attention.

abc7news.com

Also, I bet one whole dollar he did not have a machine gun. Those have been outlawed since the 80's and you need all kinds of special paperwork to get one of the few left floating around America. I doubt he had said paperwork.
I also doubt he had connections to the black market.

Former Army recruit and self-identified ‘incel’ planned mass shooting in Ohio, federal agents say

www.stripes.com

Article says

Local police searched Genco's home in March 2020 and found a firearm with an attached bump stock - which allows it to be rapidly fired

No doubt the idiot who wrote that piece thinks that's the same thing as a "machine gun."

 

[ch33zw1z]

Article says



No doubt the idiot who wrote that piece thinks that's the same thing as a "machine gun."

I know there's a clear difference, but after that Vegas disaster who really cares. Massive casualties is in the cards either way.

 

[soulcougher73]

Article says



No doubt the idiot who wrote that piece thinks that's the same thing as a "machine gun."

The rate of fire is similar, so it’s more a word technicality than anything. Rate of fire is more important than technical jargon. Granted writers should learn, but to me it’s not a huge issue. Just something to distract from the debate usually.

 

[woolfe9998]

The rate of fire is similar, so it’s more a word technicality than anything. Rate of fire is more important than technical jargon. Granted writers should learn, but to me it’s not a huge issue. Just something to distract from the debate usually.

It's fine for ordinary, informal discussion but I feel journalists should get those details right.

 

[nakedfrog]

It's fine for ordinary, informal discussion but I feel journalists should get those details right.

Especially a journalist for Stars & Stripes, the military newspaper.

 

[woolfe9998]

Especially a journalist for Stars & Stripes, the military newspaper.

Actually, after this comment, I stand corrected. I hadn't read the Stars & Stipes article so I didn't know that both articles say that the indictment alleges he had a "machine gun." Since both articles say this, the error is in the indictment itself.

 

[woolfe9998]

Anyway, if these incels want sex so badly, why don't they just go hire a prostitute? What is with all the killing and murder fantasies? I don't get it.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Anyway, if these incels want sex so badly, why don't they just go hire a prostitute? What is with all the killing and murder fantasies? I don't get it.

I agree 100%, and I would add that legal adult sex ed / prostitution is what I support. This dude needs help, but how many others aren't getting help either. Quit stigmatizing sexual desires like we do and things could change.

 

[woolfe9998]

I agree 100%, and I would add that legal adult sex ed / prostitution is what I support. This dude needs help, but how many others aren't getting help either. Quit stigmatizing sexual desires like we do and things could change.

Agreed.

My guess is that this guy is painfully introverted. Was likely so afraid of rejection that he never even asked for a date. Maybe he felt that women gave him a vibe of being uninterested but never tested the theory by taking action.

Translating that experience into hating all women and wanting to kill them indiscriminately, and all men too because he's envious of their success with women is pretty sick. I have to wonder if he would ever have formulated this plan without first being egged on by the online incel community.

Therapy would have been a good idea, but then again, his hero Elliot Roger had therapy and still murdered 8 people.

 

[Moonbeam]

Anyway, if these incels want sex so badly, why don't they just go hire a prostitute? What is with all the killing and murder fantasies? I don't get it.

Nobody can get it if they don’t see the problem in themselves. The more successful we are at hiding our self hate from ourselves, either because we were not completely and royally fucked as children or because we compensate with capacity or the plain dumb luck of having better circumstance growing up, the more intact our defenses and capacity not to feel our pain, our ego armor, stays in place. The fact remains, however, that the one sure way to cause males to open those hidden feelings of self worth is the denial of love and sex in the present.

The murderous rage we were forced to internalize as children from punishment for our demands for love and attention that caused our parents also to feel unbearably emotionally drained and the most easily called out of unconscious repression by rejection today.

There are people around so close to those feelings and willing to act them out they can try to kill you just by Looking at them. They see their own self hatred in you via projection.

Everybody in the world unconsciously conspires to keep this from being known as a fact. Nobody knows that our inner truth is what we feel and do not know we feel, that we were made to believe in lies. We even can’t believe we believe such lies, the pain of knowing is so great.

I remember the utter disbelief I experienced the first time it happened to me and, for reasons beyond my understanding, I had already been told those feelings were hidden in there. I must have said to myself a hundred times, I had no idea how much I hurt. I had no idea and then the wound closed again for years until I started to touch the rage.

 

[woolfe9998]

Nobody can get it if they don’t see the problem in themselves. The more successful we are at hiding our self hate from ourselves, either because we were not completely and royally fucked as children or because we compensate with capacity or the plain dumb luck of having better circumstance growing up, the more intact our defenses and capacity not to feel our pain, our ego armor, stays in place. The fact remains, however, that the one sure way to cause males to open those hidden feelings of self worth is the denial of love and sex in the present.

The murderous rage we were forced to internalize as children from punishment for our demands for love and attention that caused our parents also to feel unbearably emotionally drained and the most easily called out of unconscious repression by rejection today.

There are people around so close to those feelings and willing to act them out they can try to kill you just by Looking at them. They see their own self hatred in you via projection.

Everybody in the world unconsciously conspires to keep this from being known as a fact. Nobody knows that our inner truth is what we feel and do not know we feel, that we were made to believe in lies. We even can’t believe we believe such lies, the pain of knowing is so great.

I remember the utter disbelief I experienced the first time it happened to me and, for reasons beyond my understanding, I had already been told those feelings were hidden in there. I must have said to myself a hundred times, I had no idea how much I hurt. I had no idea and then the wound closed again for years until I started to touch the rage.

Might be a fair assessment of the internal psychology of this kind of murderer, but it doesn't do much to explain why some people kill but most do not.

Your description is too one size fits all.

 

[Moonbeam]

Might be a fair assessment of the internal psychology of this kind of murderer, but it doesn't do much to explain why some people kill but most do not.

Your description is too one size fits all.

I thought I was rather careful to explain that. A function of the degree of damage, the state or health of ego armor, the degree of challenge the ego is subjected to in the present. The feeling that is repressed is always the same, that each of us believes we and we alone is the worst person in the world.

When you were young you had not a single ego defense so the pain you could feel had only one limit, all the pain a human can possibly feel. No child can survive constant exposure to that. We had to die psychically.

All the bullshit of the devil breaking seals to enter this world are just archetypes of those moments becoming conscious again. It fear of that happening is called insanity. The Heroes Journey and the legends of myth are all about the journey into the unconscious to retrieve the lover or the Golden Fleece etc. In every time and place there are some who awaken. Look at the Medusa too terrible to behold, with its many projections as hideous heads, defeated only be a sword and the mirror of self reflection.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Agreed.

My guess is that this guy is painfully introverted. Was likely so afraid of rejection that he never even asked for a date. Maybe he felt that women gave him a vibe of being uninterested but never tested the theory by taking action.

Translating that experience into hating all women and wanting to kill them indiscriminately, and all men too because he's envious of their success with women is pretty sick. I have to wonder if he would ever have formulated this plan without first being egged on by the online incel community.

Therapy would have been a good idea, but then again, his hero Elliot Roger had therapy and still murdered 8 people.

Very true, Elliot Roger had quite a bit of therapy, but two pieces IIRC that may have factored in there: he refused to take meds even from a young age, and he was potentially autistic(diagnosed?)....both, to me, say maybe he wasn't getting the therapy he needed.

I've actually (unfortunately) encountered a couple professionals that were actually taken aback / offended that you'd seek a second opinion. I would have to go read about Roger again to find out more.

 

[woolfe9998]

Very true, Elliot Roger had quite a bit of therapy, but two pieces IIRC that may have factored in there: he refused to take meds even from a young age, and he was potentially autistic(diagnosed?)....both, to me, say maybe he wasn't getting the therapy he needed.

I've actually (unfortunately) encountered a couple professionals that were actually taken aback / offended that you'd seek a second opinion. I would have to go read about Roger again to find out more.

I re-read Roger's wiki page a few hours ago when the thread was posted. He did indeed refuse meds. He was, however, currently in therapy when he committed the murders. In fact, his therapist was among the 37 people he e-mailed his "manifesto" to in the middle of the killings. The therapist contacted his mother and the two of them called 911, then got in a car and sped straight to Santa Barbara from LA to see if they could stop him.

It's got to be tough on a therapist when their patient ends up doing something like that.

 

[shortylickens]

I know there's a clear difference, but after that Vegas disaster who really cares. Massive casualties is in the cards either way.

Fair point.

 

[Zorba]

Article says



No doubt the idiot who wrote that piece thinks that's the same thing as a "machine gun."

I thought Trump made bump stocks illegal under the automatic weapons ban?

 

[ivwshane]

Agreed.

My guess is that this guy is painfully introverted. Was likely so afraid of rejection that he never even asked for a date. Maybe he felt that women gave him a vibe of being uninterested but never tested the theory by taking action.

Translating that experience into hating all women and wanting to kill them indiscriminately, and all men too because he's envious of their success with women is pretty sick. I have to wonder if he would ever have formulated this plan without first being egged on by the online incel community.

Therapy would have been a good idea, but then again, his hero Elliot Roger had therapy and still murdered 8 people.

You are using the word introverted wrong.

 

[shortylickens]

I thought Trump made bump stocks illegal under the automatic weapons ban?

purchasing new ones.
he did not confiscate any because obviously thats pointless.

 

[Zorba]

purchasing new ones.
he did not confiscate any because obviously thats pointless.

Isn't resell banned too?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Aren't all guns technically machine guns? I mean if we're gonna be fucking moronic gun nut pedant dickheads about it? So unless you specified "fully auto" then you should probably stop using "machine" to specify fully automatic guns, right? Who am I kidding, why not do exactly what you're bitching about?

It is amusing seeing the OP who has whined for years on here about his own incel problems, about how we should ignore such persons.

I agree 100%, and I would add that legal adult sex ed / prostitution is what I support. This dude needs help, but how many others aren't getting help either. Quit stigmatizing sexual desires like we do and things could change.

Sex surrogacy is a thing, so it doesn't need to be prostitution for these people to get help. And that would be better for them as well, as seeking prostitutes is how we ended up with quite a few of the worst serial rapists/killers, as even though they were getting sex, it was actually reinforcing negative sexual mental issues.

 

[darkswordsman17]

You are using the word introverted wrong.

Also machine gun.

 

[shortylickens]

Aren't all guns technically machine guns? I mean if we're gonna be fucking moronic gun nut pedant dickheads about it? So unless you specified "fully auto" then you should probably stop using "machine" to specify fully automatic guns, right? Who am I kidding, why not do exactly what you're bitching about?

It is amusing seeing the OP who has whined for years on here about his own incel problems, about how we should ignore such persons.

Why dont you link to any of OP's whining about incel problems?

 

[woolfe9998]

You are using the word introverted wrong.

Introvert: a shy, reticent person. What did I miss here?