we need to stop giving them attention. its what they want. thats part of the reason they keep doing it.

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woolfe9998

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I thought I was rather careful to explain that. A function of the degree of damage, the state or health of ego armor, the degree of challenge the ego is subjected to in the present. The feeling that is repressed is always the same, that each of us believes we and we alone is the worst person in the world.

When you were young you had not a single ego defense so the pain you could feel had only one limit, all the pain a human can possibly feel. No child can survive constant exposure to that. We had to die psychically.

All the bullshit of the devil breaking seals to enter this world are just archetypes of those moments becoming conscious again. It fear of that happening is called insanity. The Heroes Journey and the legends of myth are all about the journey into the unconscious to retrieve the lover or the Golden Fleece etc. In every time and place there are some who awaken. Look at the Medusa too terrible to behold, with its many projections as hideous heads, defeated only be a sword and the mirror of self reflection.

Simple question: do you think there are any biological predispositions which incline people toward certain behavior? I mean complex social behavior, not eating, sleeping and crapping.
 

Moonbeam

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Simple question: do you think there are any biological predispositions which incline people toward certain behavior? I mean complex social behavior, not eating, sleeping and crapping.
Yes, but I think the degree is far less important than we want to believe. This was the very first go I went for when these ideas were first suggested to me before I had had any inner experience. For one thing I find the that women are less closed off than men in our culture because feeling is seen as a weakness but they also have extra issues because of cultural sexism. But feeling the worst in the world is feeling the worst regardless of how bad it really is. People also vary tremendously in how successfully they manage to function. But because nobody wants to open that hidden can of worms, there is almost nothing of scientific research to go on. It is an elephant in the room that is completely invisible.

The truth is concealed by its immediate unlikelihood. A Sufi saying.
 

ch33zw1z

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I re-read Roger's wiki page a few hours ago when the thread was posted. He did indeed refuse meds. He was, however, currently in therapy when he committed the murders. In fact, his therapist was among the 37 people he e-mailed his "manifesto" to in the middle of the killings. The therapist contacted his mother and the two of them called 911, then got in a car and sped straight to Santa Barbara from LA to see if they could stop him.

It's got to be tough on a therapist when their patient ends up doing something like that.

Yea, that's tough, I have empathy for the therapist there for sure.
 

ch33zw1z

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Sex surrogacy is a thing, so it doesn't need to be prostitution for these people to get help. And that would be better for them as well, as seeking prostitutes is how we ended up with quite a few of the worst serial rapists/killers, as even though they were getting sex, it was actually reinforcing negative sexual mental issues.

I haven't heard of that. The way our society stigmatizes sex is a problem. Call it sexual surrogacy instead of prostitution, no problem there.

I also dont recall any rapists / serial killers that targeted prostitutes for reasons other than they were easy targets and how our society tries to view them, and that includes hating them (like these guys)....dirty and expendable, which I think is shameful. They're ez targets for guys like this.

I find human behavior stuff interesting, so let me know if there's a name or two to read about.

WRT to the OP and Elliot Roger, these guys are likely on the spectrum and while they may be able to imitate "the perfect gentlemen", humans perceive more than that much of the time. Tone of voice, body language, eye contact, even the faintest facial motion can be a turn off to women / make them uncomfortable. These guys probably gave off a weird "vibe". Maybe that could be overcome with help and age (age definitely changes people).

I'm saying that we've stigmatized sex long enough in our society, and I support not being holier-than-thou and perpetuating an atmosphere or shame, hate, anger, at ourselves and others when we're victims of an ongoing campaign.
 

ch33zw1z

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All of it.

Introvert:

Definitely describes me 😉. But I'm not a murderous sociopath. I don't fit all those points either.

Likewise, In some ways, guys like OP and Elliot Roger don't fit that description at all. Blaming others for their failings doesn't match the WebMD description, but in others ways they fit.
 

ivwshane

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Definitely describes me 😉. But I'm not a murderous sociopath. I don't fit all those points either.

Likewise, In some ways, guys like OP and Elliot Roger don't fit that description at all. Blaming others for their failings doesn't match the WebMD description, but in others ways they fit.

It’s a personality type, one that is physically drained by too much stimulus vs an extrovert who craves stimulus. Neither are attributes of a physcho no more than having blonde hair is. Shyness is a separate personality trait and while it may be associated with introvertism it isn’t related.
 
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