We need to embrace China, rather than attempt to change them

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Thump553
I totally disagree with that article. Appeasement has been our policy for well over 30 years, through both Republican and Democratic adminstrations (but more so with the GOP). The result-major USA/international corporations and their top leaders and the Chinese elite have become fantastically wealthy. US jobs and economic power has been exported directly to China. We are trading our future away to a country of slave labor and other repressive tactics for the sake of cheap VCRs.

I've heard story after story from Americans that personally did business in China that an essential part of the business is that we deliver our "know-how" and intellectual property to them gratis-in a country that only pays lip service to the concept of protecting intellectual property.

I'm hoping this country wakes up before it is too late-and it already very well may be.

I always look for the Made in China label, and avoid it whereever feasible.

<-- so-called liberal.

China is well down the path of industrial develpoment that we similarily provided for the Japanese, after WWII, but they're like, what 10 times (?) bigger. I think anybody who lives another 20 years will live to regret what we're doing now. Enjoy your cheap VCR's and DVD's while you can.

Why?

Because I wouldn't want to work for communists, seems kind of counter-productive to me.

You already are, you buy communist products, that empower more communists.

Not when I can help it I'm not, and working in a Chinese owned factory wouldn't be the same as buying as communist made product by any stretch of the imagination.

What makes you think you would be working in a chineese factory?

Well, the Japanese now own car factories in the USA and employ Americans. If all we respect is who can make the product the cheapest then why wouldn't it follow that someday we would have factories in the US owned by china?

So? Your point? Would seem you would enjoy the counter outsourcing trend. So China would be building American products in American cities, employing American Citizens and your problem would be?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Thump553
I totally disagree with that article. Appeasement has been our policy for well over 30 years, through both Republican and Democratic adminstrations (but more so with the GOP). The result-major USA/international corporations and their top leaders and the Chinese elite have become fantastically wealthy. US jobs and economic power has been exported directly to China. We are trading our future away to a country of slave labor and other repressive tactics for the sake of cheap VCRs.

I've heard story after story from Americans that personally did business in China that an essential part of the business is that we deliver our "know-how" and intellectual property to them gratis-in a country that only pays lip service to the concept of protecting intellectual property.

I'm hoping this country wakes up before it is too late-and it already very well may be.

I always look for the Made in China label, and avoid it whereever feasible.

<-- so-called liberal.

China is well down the path of industrial develpoment that we similarily provided for the Japanese, after WWII, but they're like, what 10 times (?) bigger. I think anybody who lives another 20 years will live to regret what we're doing now. Enjoy your cheap VCR's and DVD's while you can.

Why?

Because I wouldn't want to work for communists, seems kind of counter-productive to me.

You already are, you buy communist products, that empower more communists.

Not when I can help it I'm not, and working in a Chinese owned factory wouldn't be the same as buying as communist made product by any stretch of the imagination.

What makes you think you would be working in a chineese factory?

Well, the Japanese now own car factories in the USA and employ Americans. If all we respect is who can make the product the cheapest then why wouldn't it follow that someday we would have factories in the US owned by china?

So? Your point? Would seem you would enjoy the counter outsourcing trend. So China would be building American products in American cities, employing American Citizens and your problem would be?

LOL, I already told you. If you want please feel free to move to China and support their system of goverment. Maybe you can help pave the way for them to build plants in Canada. I don't have a problem with that.

 

[IdaGno]

They eat dogs & are therefore unembraceable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4651950.stm

One of my first "China" experiences was in a live animal market in the south.

I stood frozen to the spot as right in front of me a man used a wire noose to drag a dog howling and writhing from an overcrowded cage.

In one swift movement he pulled out a huge knife and plunged it into the dog's chest.

Blood spurted everywhere, including all over the other terrified dogs still crammed into the cage below.

Next to me, entirely unperturbed, stood a respectable looking Chinese gentleman, merrily discussing with the dog butcher which bits of the animal tasted best.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Thump553
I totally disagree with that article. Appeasement has been our policy for well over 30 years, through both Republican and Democratic adminstrations (but more so with the GOP). The result-major USA/international corporations and their top leaders and the Chinese elite have become fantastically wealthy. US jobs and economic power has been exported directly to China. We are trading our future away to a country of slave labor and other repressive tactics for the sake of cheap VCRs.

I've heard story after story from Americans that personally did business in China that an essential part of the business is that we deliver our "know-how" and intellectual property to them gratis-in a country that only pays lip service to the concept of protecting intellectual property.

I'm hoping this country wakes up before it is too late-and it already very well may be.

I always look for the Made in China label, and avoid it whereever feasible.

<-- so-called liberal.

China is well down the path of industrial develpoment that we similarily provided for the Japanese, after WWII, but they're like, what 10 times (?) bigger. I think anybody who lives another 20 years will live to regret what we're doing now. Enjoy your cheap VCR's and DVD's while you can.

Why?

Because I wouldn't want to work for communists, seems kind of counter-productive to me.

You already are, you buy communist products, that empower more communists.

Not when I can help it I'm not, and working in a Chinese owned factory wouldn't be the same as buying as communist made product by any stretch of the imagination.

What makes you think you would be working in a chineese factory?

Well, the Japanese now own car factories in the USA and employ Americans. If all we respect is who can make the product the cheapest then why wouldn't it follow that someday we would have factories in the US owned by china?

So? Your point? Would seem you would enjoy the counter outsourcing trend. So China would be building American products in American cities, employing American Citizens and your problem would be?

LOL, I already told you. If you want please feel free to move to China and support their system of goverment. Maybe you can help pave the way for them to build plants in Canada. I don't have a problem with that.

Told me what? You come off as a close minded protectionist. You want to preserve American jobs, so when they are offered, you do not want them. People like you will be the downfall of the West, and will be the reason the west goes headfirst into a depression when it does not and refuses to adapt to a international community that is devloping. For the record, capitalism does not work everywhere, and cannot, as well the United States needs other countries to survive.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: IdaGno
They eat dogs & are therefore unembraceable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4651950.stm

One of my first "China" experiences was in a live animal market in the south.

I stood frozen to the spot as right in front of me a man used a wire noose to drag a dog howling and writhing from an overcrowded cage.

In one swift movement he pulled out a huge knife and plunged it into the dog's chest.

Blood spurted everywhere, including all over the other terrified dogs still crammed into the cage below.

Next to me, entirely unperturbed, stood a respectable looking Chinese gentleman, merrily discussing with the dog butcher which bits of the animal tasted best.

We eat cows, totally unacceptable to some countries They would probally have the same reaction.

*Note* I don't support dog killing and have a black lab and huskey of my own..but I can look at this from both sides.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Told me what? You come off as a close minded protectionist. You want to preserve American jobs, so when they are offered, you do not want them. People like you will be the downfall of the West, and will be the reason the west goes headfirst into a depression when it does not and refuses to adapt to a international community that is devloping. For the record, capitalism does not work everywhere, and cannot, as well the United States needs other countries to survive.

Why don't you just move back to Canada and quit telling me what's wrong with my country? Am I telling you how to run Cananda? LMAO, people like me??? Your view is so obviously shaped by the way you want things to be and they just happen to be what's best for you at the same time, but you critisize me about the need for an international community? IMO, your just another opportunistic hack trying to tell Americans how to run their own country and all the time you just have your own best interests in mind.

The "have nots" are always willing to share with the "haves".

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Told me what? You come off as a close minded protectionist. You want to preserve American jobs, so when they are offered, you do not want them. People like you will be the downfall of the West, and will be the reason the west goes headfirst into a depression when it does not and refuses to adapt to a international community that is devloping. For the record, capitalism does not work everywhere, and cannot, as well the United States needs other countries to survive.

Why don't you just move back to Canada and quit telling me what's wrong with my country? Am I telling you how to run Cananda? LMAO, people like me??? Your view is so obviously shaped by the way you want things to be and they just happen to be what's best for you at the same time, but you critisize me about the need for an international community? IMO, your just another opportunistic hack trying to tell Americans how to run their own country and all the time you just have your own best interests in mind.

The "have nots" are always willing to share with the "haves".

You still have to actually voice an opinion on a subject rather than just attack someones personality. It won't be better for me to have international markets open, it will make getting a job harder, but it is better for people who never had a chance. There is already an international community and I think you would be hard pressed to find anything belonging in your home that does not have foreighn parts in it. This more or less goes for any country in the world. You sit there and spout nonsense and attack peoples personality rather than actually deal with the issue. You stated earlier you only buy foreign products when you "have" too, you never have too, its a matter of convinience, and you would rather be convinienced and support a communistic states, rather than be inconvinienced and not support one. Even if you don't realise it (which I am sure you don't) Your life is dictated by a global economy, one which if you did not have, you would not enjoy the lifestyle you do.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Told me what? You come off as a close minded protectionist. You want to preserve American jobs, so when they are offered, you do not want them. People like you will be the downfall of the West, and will be the reason the west goes headfirst into a depression when it does not and refuses to adapt to a international community that is devloping. For the record, capitalism does not work everywhere, and cannot, as well the United States needs other countries to survive.

Why don't you just move back to Canada and quit telling me what's wrong with my country? Am I telling you how to run Cananda? LMAO, people like me??? Your view is so obviously shaped by the way you want things to be and they just happen to be what's best for you at the same time, but you critisize me about the need for an international community? IMO, your just another opportunistic hack trying to tell Americans how to run their own country and all the time you just have your own best interests in mind.

The "have nots" are always willing to share with the "haves".

You still have to actually voice an opinion on a subject rather than just attack someones personality. It won't be better for me to have international markets open, it will make getting a job harder, but it is better for people who never had a chance. There is already an international community and I think you would be hard pressed to find anything belonging in your home that does not have foreighn parts in it. This more or less goes for any country in the world. You sit there and spout nonsense and attack peoples personality rather than actually deal with the issue. You stated earlier you only buy foreign products when you "have" too, you never have too, its a matter of convinience, and you would rather be convinienced and support a communistic states, rather than be inconvinienced and not support one. Even if you don't realise it (which I am sure you don't) Your life is dictated by a global economy, one which if you did not have, you would not enjoy the lifestyle you do.

All you do is rationalize your position. If I could buy nothing but American made goods, I would. I try my best too, but if I need a new shower curtain, I'm not going to run all over town to find one made in America. :roll: You can rationalize that anyway you please.

I have yet to voice an opinion? LMAO, you must mean one you can pick apart!!

You know, I have a vested interest in America. I own land, stocks, a house, etc. If I want to support America and American made products, who the H do you think you are to critisize me for it as if I have some "evil" view? You have a right to your opinion, but there is nothing wrong with protecting your interests. Maybe some day you will grow up and realize that.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Told me what? You come off as a close minded protectionist. You want to preserve American jobs, so when they are offered, you do not want them. People like you will be the downfall of the West, and will be the reason the west goes headfirst into a depression when it does not and refuses to adapt to a international community that is devloping. For the record, capitalism does not work everywhere, and cannot, as well the United States needs other countries to survive.

Why don't you just move back to Canada and quit telling me what's wrong with my country? Am I telling you how to run Cananda? LMAO, people like me??? Your view is so obviously shaped by the way you want things to be and they just happen to be what's best for you at the same time, but you critisize me about the need for an international community? IMO, your just another opportunistic hack trying to tell Americans how to run their own country and all the time you just have your own best interests in mind.

The "have nots" are always willing to share with the "haves".

You still have to actually voice an opinion on a subject rather than just attack someones personality. It won't be better for me to have international markets open, it will make getting a job harder, but it is better for people who never had a chance. There is already an international community and I think you would be hard pressed to find anything belonging in your home that does not have foreighn parts in it. This more or less goes for any country in the world. You sit there and spout nonsense and attack peoples personality rather than actually deal with the issue. You stated earlier you only buy foreign products when you "have" too, you never have too, its a matter of convinience, and you would rather be convinienced and support a communistic states, rather than be inconvinienced and not support one. Even if you don't realise it (which I am sure you don't) Your life is dictated by a global economy, one which if you did not have, you would not enjoy the lifestyle you do.

All you do is rationalize your position. If I could buy nothing but American made goods, I would. I try my best too, but if I need a new shower curtain, I'm not going to run all over town to find one made in America. :roll: You can rationalize that anyway you please.

I have yet to voice an opinion? LMAO, you must mean one you can pick apart!!

You know, I have a vested interest in America. I own land, stocks, a house, etc. If I want to support America and American made products, who the H do you think you are to critisize me for it as if I have some "evil" view? You have a right to your opinion, but there is nothing wrong with protecting your interests. Maybe some day you will grow up and realize that.

So still, you buy communist goods as a convinience. I am someone who is actually supporting his argument to criticie you, either way you can keep your close minded ness if that is what you need. We obviously have different views of the way the world works, you are not going to convince me and I will not be able to convince you.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Told me what? You come off as a close minded protectionist. You want to preserve American jobs, so when they are offered, you do not want them. People like you will be the downfall of the West, and will be the reason the west goes headfirst into a depression when it does not and refuses to adapt to a international community that is devloping. For the record, capitalism does not work everywhere, and cannot, as well the United States needs other countries to survive.

Why don't you just move back to Canada and quit telling me what's wrong with my country? Am I telling you how to run Cananda? LMAO, people like me??? Your view is so obviously shaped by the way you want things to be and they just happen to be what's best for you at the same time, but you critisize me about the need for an international community? IMO, your just another opportunistic hack trying to tell Americans how to run their own country and all the time you just have your own best interests in mind.

The "have nots" are always willing to share with the "haves".

You still have to actually voice an opinion on a subject rather than just attack someones personality. It won't be better for me to have international markets open, it will make getting a job harder, but it is better for people who never had a chance. There is already an international community and I think you would be hard pressed to find anything belonging in your home that does not have foreighn parts in it. This more or less goes for any country in the world. You sit there and spout nonsense and attack peoples personality rather than actually deal with the issue. You stated earlier you only buy foreign products when you "have" too, you never have too, its a matter of convinience, and you would rather be convinienced and support a communistic states, rather than be inconvinienced and not support one. Even if you don't realise it (which I am sure you don't) Your life is dictated by a global economy, one which if you did not have, you would not enjoy the lifestyle you do.

All you do is rationalize your position. If I could buy nothing but American made goods, I would. I try my best too, but if I need a new shower curtain, I'm not going to run all over town to find one made in America. :roll: You can rationalize that anyway you please.

I have yet to voice an opinion? LMAO, you must mean one you can pick apart!!

You know, I have a vested interest in America. I own land, stocks, a house, etc. If I want to support America and American made products, who the H do you think you are to critisize me for it as if I have some "evil" view? You have a right to your opinion, but there is nothing wrong with protecting your interests. Maybe some day you will grow up and realize that.

So still, you buy communist goods as a convinience. I am someone who is actually supporting his argument to criticie you, either way you can keep your close minded ness if that is what you need. We obviously have different views of the way the world works, you are not going to convince me and I will not be able to convince you.

And I'll bet you buy products/services that are made by "evil protectionist companies" when it's "convienent" for you. So what does that prove? Absolutely nothing that I can see?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE

Told me what? You come off as a close minded protectionist. You want to preserve American jobs, so when they are offered, you do not want them. People like you will be the downfall of the West, and will be the reason the west goes headfirst into a depression when it does not and refuses to adapt to a international community that is devloping. For the record, capitalism does not work everywhere, and cannot, as well the United States needs other countries to survive.

Why don't you just move back to Canada and quit telling me what's wrong with my country? Am I telling you how to run Cananda? LMAO, people like me??? Your view is so obviously shaped by the way you want things to be and they just happen to be what's best for you at the same time, but you critisize me about the need for an international community? IMO, your just another opportunistic hack trying to tell Americans how to run their own country and all the time you just have your own best interests in mind.

The "have nots" are always willing to share with the "haves".

You still have to actually voice an opinion on a subject rather than just attack someones personality. It won't be better for me to have international markets open, it will make getting a job harder, but it is better for people who never had a chance. There is already an international community and I think you would be hard pressed to find anything belonging in your home that does not have foreighn parts in it. This more or less goes for any country in the world. You sit there and spout nonsense and attack peoples personality rather than actually deal with the issue. You stated earlier you only buy foreign products when you "have" too, you never have too, its a matter of convinience, and you would rather be convinienced and support a communistic states, rather than be inconvinienced and not support one. Even if you don't realise it (which I am sure you don't) Your life is dictated by a global economy, one which if you did not have, you would not enjoy the lifestyle you do.

All you do is rationalize your position. If I could buy nothing but American made goods, I would. I try my best too, but if I need a new shower curtain, I'm not going to run all over town to find one made in America. :roll: You can rationalize that anyway you please.

I have yet to voice an opinion? LMAO, you must mean one you can pick apart!!

You know, I have a vested interest in America. I own land, stocks, a house, etc. If I want to support America and American made products, who the H do you think you are to critisize me for it as if I have some "evil" view? You have a right to your opinion, but there is nothing wrong with protecting your interests. Maybe some day you will grow up and realize that.

So still, you buy communist goods as a convinience. I am someone who is actually supporting his argument to criticie you, either way you can keep your close minded ness if that is what you need. We obviously have different views of the way the world works, you are not going to convince me and I will not be able to convince you.

And I'll bet you buy products/services that are made by "evil protectionist companies" when it's "convienent" for you. So what does that prove? Absolutely nothing that I can see?

Most companies today are multi national companies, I can honestly say I buy products from only multinational companies which are obviously not protectionis companies. So your point is invalid.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE


Most companies today are multi national companies, I can honestly say I buy products from only multinational companies which are obviously not protectionis companies. So your point is invalid.

So you've never stayed in a small motel, or at at a mom and pop joint that only served local products? Hey, if you say so

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE


Most companies today are multi national companies, I can honestly say I buy products from only multinational companies which are obviously not protectionis companies. So your point is invalid.

So you've never stayed in a small motel, or at at a mom and pop joint that only served local products? Hey, if you say so

Actually never stayed at a motel/hotel before believe it or not. well, not is this country. As well..mom and pop stores sell Internationally made goods usually. The only products I can think of that I have bought that were made locally would be food. And food makers are subsidized, so are not protectionist...they have nothing to fear.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: RichardE


Most companies today are multi national companies, I can honestly say I buy products from only multinational companies which are obviously not protectionis companies. So your point is invalid.

So you've never stayed in a small motel, or at at a mom and pop joint that only served local products? Hey, if you say so

Actually never stayed at a motel/hotel before believe it or not. well, not is this country. As well..mom and pop stores sell Internationally made goods usually. The only products I can think of that I have bought that were made locally would be food. And food makers are subsidized, so are not protectionist...they have nothing to fear.

These guys seem upset about something:

U.S. wheat growers upset over NAFTA ruling on Canadian wheat

Actually, technically apeaking I don't think the beef industry is subsidized. They don't get any payment or guarantee on what their product will be worth when it is ready for market.