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we hire some pretty fail people at our company

I graduated in 2008 with a BS in materials engineering. I'm not a chemist, I'm no expert. I'm no PhD, but I've taken basic chemistry which virtually everyone and their mom takes whether they're doing pre-med, pre-dental, pre-pharm, science, engineering, etc. That's probably ALL the chemistry I took. Ok, there was organic stuff, but it was mainly characterizing polymer weights and stuff using chromatography but I barely passed it because it was too organic for my engineering mind, and I was competing against chem-e and chem majors.

So first of all our senior scientist/chemist quits, which is sad because he's been such a wonderful mentor for me. He documents stuff down and hands responsibilities to me and this other dude. Now while I've had the opportunity to do some of these things once or twice, it wasn't all that hard when he writes down make XX ppm of this solution or a 2.00 M solution of ___. It's also not hard to just scale up or scale down your chemistry makeups based on how much you need.

So anyway this other dude comes and asks me (he could be my dad at his age), and asks me how to make a 10 ppm solution. I say, "well the question is how much do you want? Do you want 5L? 10L? A swimming pool? ppm = g/L so just go calculate how much volume you want and you can go weigh out how much chemicals to add into your bath of water." It's not that I'm telling him off, he comes to me with absolutely no clue how to make this. Instead he wants me to BREAK IT DOWN to him and write a table showing like 5L of water, 100g of salt. 10L of water, 200g salt. Seriously? The problem was actually even easier than that. Our scientist made a 20ppm solution before we left. To measure it as a standard, we dilute it to 10ppm and 5 ppm and then 1ppm in a 3 small vials. Not hard right? He's asking me how much he should add to make 10ppm. It's not rocket science. Take a pipette, get 2 mL of solution. Now grab 2mL of DI. DONE. That hard? However much you want, just dilute accordingly. I guess he didn't understand that until I threw out 2 mL solution, 2 mL DI.....

And last week I spent an hour teaching him that if you have a 0.15 molar solution, and a 3M concentrate, here's how you calculate how to get to 0.25 molar by adding X amount of concentrate. And of course he asks how much concentrate to make. My answer was just "Shrug I just make a buttload so I never run out... or if you wanted the precise amount, just go calculate." I'm not even a chemist. Why am I doing basic algebra and chemistry when people should know this through high school.

Now recently we just hired a scientist to work in the lab, and while I'm more in engineering and manufacturing, I sometimes interface with our lab, and from what I hear this new scientist guy was asking how to calculate molarity. I thought scientist = PhD. WTF is this?

Honestly I think these new hires are people getting hooked up by someone up there. They're all friends, but seriously? I could be doing their job while I'm in high school. But honestly I don't care if they're here or not. I just get a little frustrated when I have to sit down and answer high school math/chemistry problems when I'm an engineer.....

/RANT.
 
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Why are you involved at all, being in engineering/manufacturing? Just do your job and tell them to do theirs?
 
Wow... that's hilarious. Goes to show you the differences in education. I worked at a Genetics lab at MGH when I was in college (maybe 19 years old) and had to do everything myself. Calculating concentrations, diluting, and creating solutions were the most fundamental things you need to know in the Lab.
 
It goes to show you that you can graduate without learning anything.

I find that it takes me about 2-5x the effort to actually "learn" than it does to make an A in the class.
 
i think ppl need to find a better way of determining smarts besides looking at a degree on paper. I work with tons of phds, and half of them don't have common sense. The other bunch have tons of theoretical knowledge, but are clueless when it comes to technique and applying the theories. The way I see it, even dumb people need to work, and I need to win the lottery and gtfo.
 
i think ppl need to find a better way of determining smarts besides looking at a degree on paper. I work with tons of phds, and half of them don't have common sense. The other bunch have tons of theoretical knowledge, but are clueless when it comes to technique and applying the theories. The way I see it, even dumb people need to work, and I need to win the lottery and gtfo.

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i think ppl need to find a better way of determining smarts besides looking at a degree on paper. I work with tons of phds, and half of them don't have common sense. The other bunch have tons of theoretical knowledge, but are clueless when it comes to technique and applying the theories. The way I see it, even dumb people need to work, and I need to win the lottery and gtfo.

never going to happen, the degree gets you hired.
 
i think ppl need to find a better way of determining smarts besides looking at a degree on paper. I work with tons of phds, and half of them don't have common sense. The other bunch have tons of theoretical knowledge, but are clueless when it comes to technique and applying the theories. The way I see it, even dumb people need to work, and I need to win the lottery and gtfo.

The PhDs I worked with don't have common sense, that's true, but at least they're not completely retarded. In terms of getting stuff done, they sometimes suffer there because they don't understand deadlines, priorities, SPC charts, the crap we deal with in manufacturing lines, and when I ask them for some chemistry help because our chemical baths are whacked up, they don't always get it done immediately... but when it's number crunching, theory, etc whatever they know their shiz usually.

The people I'm dealing with here seem like they never made it past high school. One of the operators (yes those people they hire on the manufacturing line to push buttons) came to me complaining that the scientist didn't know molarity, and she kept repeating moles over liters to me in frustration. Yeah, that's troublesome...
 
Wow... that's hilarious. Goes to show you the differences in education. I worked at a Genetics lab at MGH when I was in college (maybe 19 years old) and had to do everything myself. Calculating concentrations, diluting, and creating solutions were the most fundamental things you need to know in the Lab.

I remember asking a grad student how to make a solution when I was a freshman in college....I never knew someone could have gotten so incredibly upset over it............
 
maybe your company should give out a chemistry test before they hire these "scientists" Just basic stuff like how to make 2 molar sodium hydroxide solution. How to identify nomenclature, the pure basics. That way they are measuring basic competencies instead of relying on degree.
 
maybe your company should give out a chemistry test before they hire these "scientists" Just basic stuff like how to make 2 molar sodium hydroxide solution. How to identify nomenclature, the pure basics. That way they are measuring basic competencies instead of relying on degree.

Wont happen because those that NEED to be involved in the hiring process are not.
 
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