'We did NOT go to war with Iraq because of . . .

[Moonbeam]

Trespassing on government property and posing as an elected official.....

 

[krunk7]

Originally posted by: mrCide

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: flavio
Bush needs brought up on criminal charges

I don't think thier is a criminal charge for manipulating the American people.

treason

atleast we agree on something..

This has to violate the Geneva Convention. War without probable cause? Can anyone say war crimes?

from this site-->Impeach Bush

"To put it bluntly, if Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he is cooked. Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be "a high crime" under the Constitution's impeachment clause. It would also be a violation of federal criminal law, including the broad federal anti-conspiracy statute, which renders it a felony "to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose."

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Trespassing on government property and posing as an elected official.....

Ah HA ha ha haha! ... Good one MB.... Phew...

 

[phillyTIM]

~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~

Undoubtedly down at their local recruiters.

 

[phillyTIM]

Yeah, Bush needs more help in attempting his cover-up. 🙂

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~

I was just thinking that as I was scroling down this thread, they are usually all over this kind of stuff. I've been gone for a few months and its interesting to see how things have changed in this forum in that time. A lot of outspoken, right wing people have strangely dissapeared alltogether!

 

[adlep]

I was just thinking that as I was scroling down this thread, they are usually all over this kind of stuff. I've been gone for a few months and its interesting to see how things have changed in this forum in that time. A lot of outspoken, right wing people have strangely dissapeared alltogether!

Agreed,
We could actually run a search and find the most absurd disussions and threads being crapped by the right-wings here...
Then we could compile the list of names with the comment "Easly manipulated"
or something like that...
What you all think?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~

I was just thinking that as I was scroling down this thread, they are usually all over this kind of stuff. I've been gone for a few months and its interesting to see how things have changed in this forum in that time. A lot of outspoken, right wing people have strangely dissapeared alltogether!

Ever think that they don't come here anymore because they are sick of dealing with the tripe that is spewed? Nah - it's gotta be your reason

CkG

 

[phillyTIM]

well, the bush defenders can't defend bush anymore, so they need to change their tactic (just like rummy is doing for the iraq war rationale in relations to 9/11) to justify their own existence/absence, so they attack those of us who have valid arguments against it's sham of an invasion.

cute. but we're on to your game, just like the bush regime's!

defend your hero's lies, and the death and bloodshed he's caused our selfless americans, if you can.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~

I was just thinking that as I was scroling down this thread, they are usually all over this kind of stuff. I've been gone for a few months and its interesting to see how things have changed in this forum in that time. A lot of outspoken, right wing people have strangely dissapeared alltogether!

Ever think that they don't come here anymore because they are sick of dealing with the tripe that is spewed? Nah - it's gotta be your reason

CkG

Well, you're still around so the tripe can't be that bad. Besides, if a point of view can be defended, there will always be someone there to defend it. Hell, the old school AT Forum rightwingers, a la UltraQuiet, would defend things even if they were blatantly indefensible, so I don't buy your "they all got sick of arguing and decided to become FOX Fans" theory.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~

I was just thinking that as I was scroling down this thread, they are usually all over this kind of stuff. I've been gone for a few months and its interesting to see how things have changed in this forum in that time. A lot of outspoken, right wing people have strangely dissapeared alltogether!

Ever think that they don't come here anymore because they are sick of dealing with the tripe that is spewed? Nah - it's gotta be your reason

CkG

Well, you're still around so the tripe can't be that bad. Besides, if a point of view can be defended, there will always be someone there to defend it. Hell, the old school AT Forum rightwingers, a la UltraQuiet, would defend things even if they were blatantly indefensible, so I don't buy your "they all got sick of arguing and decided to become FOX Fans" theory.

I'm still around because I choose to be, they chose not to be. YOU don't know the REAL reason why they don't post here any more than I, but seeing as they and I are "on the same side" I feel that that my reason is a valid reason because I've had those exact thoughts(as have others who have posted such). The amount of Bush bashing and Liberal spew that flows around here is disgusting but needs to be challenged(IMO) and shown for what it is.

CkG

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

And I'm glad you are CkD, because if there was no one with the opposing point ov view, having this forum would be pointless.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~

I was just thinking that as I was scroling down this thread, they are usually all over this kind of stuff. I've been gone for a few months and its interesting to see how things have changed in this forum in that time. A lot of outspoken, right wing people have strangely dissapeared alltogether!

Ever think that they don't come here anymore because they are sick of dealing with the tripe that is spewed? Nah - it's gotta be your reason

CkG

Well, you're still around so the tripe can't be that bad. Besides, if a point of view can be defended, there will always be someone there to defend it. Hell, the old school AT Forum rightwingers, a la UltraQuiet, would defend things even if they were blatantly indefensible, so I don't buy your "they all got sick of arguing and decided to become FOX Fans" theory.

I'm still around because I choose to be, they chose not to be. YOU don't know the REAL reason why they don't post here any more than I, but seeing as they and I are "on the same side" I feel that that my reason is a valid reason because I've had those exact thoughts(as have others who have posted such). The amount of Bush bashing and Liberal spew that flows around here is disgusting but needs to be challenged(IMO) and shown for what it is.

CkG

The Bush bashing going on here isn't digusting, but it is ugly truth. Stop side-stepping the issue and go ahead and try to defend them on this like you love to do on everything else. I honestly don't know what it will take for some of you people. I think if Bush came on national TV himself and fessed up to everything you'd still insist it was some liberal conspiracy.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~

I was just thinking that as I was scroling down this thread, they are usually all over this kind of stuff. I've been gone for a few months and its interesting to see how things have changed in this forum in that time. A lot of outspoken, right wing people have strangely dissapeared alltogether!

Ever think that they don't come here anymore because they are sick of dealing with the tripe that is spewed? Nah - it's gotta be your reason

CkG

Well, you're still around so the tripe can't be that bad. Besides, if a point of view can be defended, there will always be someone there to defend it. Hell, the old school AT Forum rightwingers, a la UltraQuiet, would defend things even if they were blatantly indefensible, so I don't buy your "they all got sick of arguing and decided to become FOX Fans" theory.

I'm still around because I choose to be, they chose not to be. YOU don't know the REAL reason why they don't post here any more than I, but seeing as they and I are "on the same side" I feel that that my reason is a valid reason because I've had those exact thoughts(as have others who have posted such). The amount of Bush bashing and Liberal spew that flows around here is disgusting but needs to be challenged(IMO) and shown for what it is.

CkG

The Bush bashing going on here isn't digusting, but it is ugly truth. Stop side-stepping the issue and go ahead and try to defend them on this like you love to do on everything else. I honestly don't know what it will take for some of you people. I think if Bush came on national TV himself and fessed up to everything I think you'd still insist it was some liberal conspiracy.

That's when he accuses Bush of being a liberal in disguise, trying to soil the Republicans record.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~

I was just thinking that as I was scroling down this thread, they are usually all over this kind of stuff. I've been gone for a few months and its interesting to see how things have changed in this forum in that time. A lot of outspoken, right wing people have strangely dissapeared alltogether!

Ever think that they don't come here anymore because they are sick of dealing with the tripe that is spewed? Nah - it's gotta be your reason

CkG

Well, you're still around so the tripe can't be that bad. Besides, if a point of view can be defended, there will always be someone there to defend it. Hell, the old school AT Forum rightwingers, a la UltraQuiet, would defend things even if they were blatantly indefensible, so I don't buy your "they all got sick of arguing and decided to become FOX Fans" theory.

I'm still around because I choose to be, they chose not to be. YOU don't know the REAL reason why they don't post here any more than I, but seeing as they and I are "on the same side" I feel that that my reason is a valid reason because I've had those exact thoughts(as have others who have posted such). The amount of Bush bashing and Liberal spew that flows around here is disgusting but needs to be challenged(IMO) and shown for what it is.

CkG

The Bush bashing going on here isn't digusting, but it is ugly truth. Stop side-stepping the issue and go ahead and try to defend them on this like you love to do on everything else. I honestly don't know what it will take for some of you people. I think if Bush came on national TV himself and fessed up to everything you'd still insist it was some liberal conspiracy.

Nope - it is the issue. I don't deny there are unanswered questions, but the posting and spinning of everything that could be remotely construed as damaging to Bush doesn't do any good either. Oh and there isn't a Liberal conspiracy just like there isn't a Right-wing conspiracy.🙂

IF Bush admitted that he made up evidence and lied to us then I will eat crow - I've said similar before. But here is the problem with your argument - you can't prove it so you grasp on to every little thing to try to destroy him a different way- you know - kinda like you claim that people jumped the media reports of WMDs during the war as evidence. Do you not chuckle about their apparently misdirected conclusions?

CkG

 

[Cesar]

Its for oil, the fear of the rise of islam that the US gov. went to war and to change the arabe worlds thinking( changing their cultures value etc). Thats why they are going to stay in Iraq for a long time we will see. Not about Sadam or WMD. Guys becarful your gov. is trying to lead your country into a religious war agains the muslium world thats suicied!!

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Cesar
Its for oil, the fear of the rise of islam that the US gov. went to war and to change the arabe worlds thinking( changing their cultures value etc). Thats why they are going to stay in Iraq for a long time we will see. Not about Sadam or WMD. Guys becarful your gov. is trying to lead your country into a religious war agains the muslium world thats suicied!!

could be worse.. they coulda led us into a land war in Asia.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nothing can stand against the will of God.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Nope - it is the issue.

No, the issue here is the Bush admin changing their story after the fact. Before the war they said Saddam was an immenent threat to the US, now they say he was a threat to world peace. Before the war they said they have proof of his WMD's but can't show us, now they say they have no evidence other than what lead to Desert Fox. Before the war they said Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's and they knew where they were, now now they say he was persuing WMD programs.

I don't deny there are unanswered questions, but the posting and spinning of everything that could be remotely construed as damaging to Bush doesn't do any good either.

The questions are being answered, you seem to just not like the answers and dismiss them as attempts just to bash Bush. Hell, most of these answers are coming from the admin itself, seems like they dig their hole deeper every time they open their mouth.

Oh and there isn't a Liberal conspiracy just like there isn't a Right-wing conspiracy.🙂

Six of one, half-dozen of the other.

IF Bush admitted that he made up evidence and lied to us then I will eat crow - I've said similar before.

That's a pretty safe thing to say since it has no chance on God's green earth of happening. Thankfully we don't need someone's admission of being a complete fraud to be able to prove it.

But here is the problem with your argument - you can't prove it so you grasp on to every little thing to try to destroy him a different way- you know - kinda like you claim that people jumped the media reports of WMDs during the war as evidence.

No, I can't personally prove it. But all the evidence I've seen proves it to me, and I'm a fairly resonable person. I'm not trying to destroy the man, I'm trying to expose the man for what he is. And I have no idea what you mean by your WMD remark.

Do you not chuckle about their apparently misdirected conclusions?

CkG

The last thing I find about this entire situation is humor.

 

[da loser]

Originally posted by: Cesar
Its for oil, the fear of the rise of islam that the US gov. went to war and to change the arabe worlds thinking( changing their cultures value etc). Thats why they are going to stay in Iraq for a long time we will see. Not about Sadam or WMD. Guys becarful your gov. is trying to lead your country into a religious war agains the muslium world thats suicied!!

you're a little off, it's not against the muslim world, it's against muslim fundamentalism. and time will tell who wins. anyway i think so far they're winning the pr war. I have no idea who's winning the overall war.

I don't see what's wrong with the 9/11 statement, of course it changed everything. that event proved something was wrong in the policy of our government, so something was done in reaction to this->the war on muslim fundamentalist terrorism, whether that's the right reaction, who knows.

as far as this forum going down the drain, heh, go look at arstechnica's soap box, this is FOX compared to that forum 😀
although the arguments are a little better over there at least, i think it's because they're older and more articulate or maybe it's because they're not Americans 😉

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Nope - it is the issue.

No, the issue here is the Bush admin changing their story after the fact. Before the war they said Saddam was an immenent threat to the US, now they say he was a threat to world peace. Before the war they said they have proof of his WMD's but can't show us, now they say they have no evidence other than what lead to Desert Fox. Before the war they said Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's and they knew where they were, now now they say he was persuing WMD programs.

Doesn't prove your theory that he lied.

I don't deny there are unanswered questions, but the posting and spinning of everything that could be remotely construed as damaging to Bush doesn't do any good either.

The questions are being answered, you seem to just not like the answers and dismiss them as attempts just to bash Bush. Hell, most of these answers are coming from the admin itself, seems like they dig their hole deeper every time they open their mouth.

So if you are such a "reasonable" person then why can't you see that, Saddam admitted to having WMD, him using WMD, and couldn't account for the admitted WMDs, one could draw the "reasonable" conclusion that Saddam had WMDs.

Oh and there isn't a Liberal conspiracy just like there isn't a Right-wing conspiracy.🙂

Six of one, half-dozen of the other.

You posted it.

IF Bush admitted that he made up evidence and lied to us then I will eat crow - I've said similar before.

That's a pretty safe thing to say since it has no chance on God's green earth of happening. Thankfully we don't need someone's admission of being a complete fraud to be able to prove it.

Again it was in response to your assertion that I wouldn't accept it if he did.

But here is the problem with your argument - you can't prove it so you grasp on to every little thing to try to destroy him a different way- you know - kinda like you claim that people jumped the media reports of WMDs during the war as evidence.

No, I can't personally prove it. But all the evidence I've seen proves it to me, and I'm a fairly resonable person. I'm not trying to destroy the man, I'm trying to expose the man for what he is. And I have no idea what you mean by your WMD remark.

So you are making the leap using tidbits of intel, are you not? Isn't that exactly what you are blasting Bush for doing?

Do you not chuckle about their apparently misdirected conclusions?

CkG

The last thing I find about this entire situation is humor.

The irony (chuckle) is that you (generic term😉 ) people blast people that used every little thing reported about WMD as evidence of proof, yet you use every little thing to say Bush lied or is Hilter or some other Bash. I don't find the WAR funny - but I do find those that are trying to prove the war was unjust funny because they try to use the same logic they accuse other's of using.

CkG

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~

I've come to the conclusion:

P&N Forum

There are some true medal winners on here.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Nope - it is the issue.

No, the issue here is the Bush admin changing their story after the fact. Before the war they said Saddam was an immenent threat to the US, now they say he was a threat to world peace. Before the war they said they have proof of his WMD's but can't show us, now they say they have no evidence other than what lead to Desert Fox. Before the war they said Saddam had stockpiles of WMD's and they knew where they were, now now they say he was persuing WMD programs.

Doesn't prove your theory that he lied.

It sure as Hell proves they are trying to cover their blunder, but I'll give you that whether or not that blunder was a result of lying or ineptitude coupled with arrogance is still debatable. It might even be a combination, that's my personal take.

I don't deny there are unanswered questions, but the posting and spinning of everything that could be remotely construed as damaging to Bush doesn't do any good either.

The questions are being answered, you seem to just not like the answers and dismiss them as attempts just to bash Bush. Hell, most of these answers are coming from the admin itself, seems like they dig their hole deeper every time they open their mouth.

So if you are such a "reasonable" person then why can't you see that, Saddam admitted to having WMD, him using WMD, and couldn't account for the admitted WMDs, one could draw the "reasonable" conclusion that Saddam had WMDs.

'HAD WMD's.' That's the key phrase isn't it? I don't think anyone doubts Saddam had them, but did he have them, in a useable form that posed an immediate danger to the US as the admin insisted, at the the time this war started? With the evidence thus far how could any reasonable person conclude that he did?

Oh and there isn't a Liberal conspiracy just like there isn't a Right-wing conspiracy.🙂

Six of one, half-dozen of the other.

You posted it.

Posted what? You states some vague babble that really has no bearing on this issue and I responded in kind.

IF Bush admitted that he made up evidence and lied to us then I will eat crow - I've said similar before.

That's a pretty safe thing to say since it has no chance on God's green earth of happening. Thankfully we don't need someone's admission of being a complete fraud to be able to prove it.

Again it was in response to your assertion that I wouldn't accept it if he did.

Is that what it will take? I'm curious if a flagrant admission is the only thing that will open your eyes.

But here is the problem with your argument - you can't prove it so you grasp on to every little thing to try to destroy him a different way- you know - kinda like you claim that people jumped the media reports of WMDs during the war as evidence.

Like I said, I can't prove it, but all the verified evidence that has come out thus far, along with this admin's own statements is damn strong evidence even if it may not qualify as 'proof' in everyone's eyes yet.

No, I can't personally prove it. But all the evidence I've seen proves it to me, and I'm a fairly resonable person. I'm not trying to destroy the man, I'm trying to expose the man for what he is. And I have no idea what you mean by your WMD remark.

So you are making the leap using tidbits of intel, are you not? Isn't that exactly what you are blasting Bush for doing?

No, I'm blasting Bush for coming a conclusion, then selectively using (or in some cases likely manufacturing) evidence to justify it without looking at the evidence as a whole then basing your conclusion on it.

Do you not chuckle about their apparently misdirected conclusions?

CkG

The last thing I find about this entire situation is humor.

The irony (chuckle) is that you (generic term😉 ) people blast people that used every little thing reported about WMD as evidence of proof, yet you use every little thing to say Bush lied or is Hilter or some other Bash. I don't find the WAR funny - but I do find those that are trying to prove the war was unjust funny because they try to use the same logic they accuse other's of using.

CkG

[/quote]

It's not the same logic, like I said, you can look at the evidence as a whole and logically come the the conslusion that Bush likely lied. But I will take this oppurtunity to take a page of this admin's book and point out there the is no proof that he didn't. That line of reasoning was valid enough to start a war afterall wasn't it?

And just for the record I don't think I've ever related Bush to Hitler. Ashcroft on the otherhand...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

1. Nope - you are wrong.
2. Saddam isn't in power, hence the past tense

3. you posted tripe about me thinking there was a liberal conspiracy - I merely pointed out that there isn't one, just like there isn't some "right-wing" conspiracy which is tossed out all the time.
4. My eyes are open. If Bush did "admit" to lying then I will lose all respect for him.
5. How can you say that his process went as you claim? Are you GB? Can you prove you allegations?
6. Take all the WMD evidence there was about Iraq now come to a conclusion. What is that conclusion? Mine, Bush, and most of the world believed that Saddam was in possesion of these weapons based on the evidence(which didn't only come from the US) Your claim that Bush put the War cart ahead of the evidence horse is unfounded - can you prove that he did?

lol @alchemize 😀

CkG