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'We did NOT go to war with Iraq because of . . .

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
1. Nope - you are wrong.
2. Saddam isn't in power, hence the past tense
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3. you posted tripe about me thinking there was a liberal conspiracy - I merely pointed out that there isn't one, just like there isn't some "right-wing" conspiracy which is tossed out all the time.
4. My eyes are open. If Bush did "admit" to lying then I will lose all respect for him.
5. How can you say that his process went as you claim? Are you GB? Can you prove you allegations?
6. Take all the WMD evidence there was about Iraq now come to a conclusion. What is that conclusion? Mine, Bush, and most of the world believed that Saddam was in possesion of these weapons based on the evidence(which didn't only come from the US) Your claim that Bush put the War cart ahead of the evidence horse is unfounded - can you prove that he did?

lol @alchemize 😀

CkG
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1. No, I'm right.
2. -6. If you're right, why are the rest of your Bush-loving buddies avoiding this thread like the plague?

I'm done, you're hopless.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
~ Interesting that some of the AnandTech war hawks are not around for this thread, isn't it? ~
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I've come to the conclusion:

P&N Forum

There are some true medal winners on here.
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Not to worry. One day you'll win the gold, instead of drooling on the sidelines. 😉
 
Originally posted by: zantac
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: flavio
Bush needs brought up on criminal charges
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I don't think thier is a criminal charge for manipulating the American people.
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I've seen articles suggesting he could be tried for treason. I also saw a persuasive article suggesting he could be tried under some of the clauses of the (so-called) PATRIOT Act, related to altering and/or impeding intelligence information and activities related to terrorism. Wish I had the link.

Wishful thinking as long as the Republicans control Congress, but the irony would be too sweet.
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The Republicans in congress are too busy covering up thier own scandals. The House Judiciary Committee today shot down (Straight Party-line vote i might add) A Resolution of Inquiry looking into why Tom DeLay (R-TX) sent the FBI and law enforcement after democrats who blocked(in a 100% legal manner) DeLay's Texas district takeover from minorities.
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That's one of my disappointments with Congress these days (both parties) -- they don't even pretend to care about right and wrong any more. It's all politics.

 
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Well, you're still around so the tripe can't be that bad. Besides, if a point of view can be defended, there will always be someone there to defend it. Hell, the old school AT Forum rightwingers, a la UltraQuiet, would defend things even if they were blatantly indefensible, so I don't buy your "they all got sick of arguing and decided to become FOX Fans" theory.
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I'm still around because I choose to be, they chose not to be. YOU don't know the REAL reason why they don't post here any more than I, but seeing as they and I are "on the same side" I feel that that my reason is a valid reason because I've had those exact thoughts(as have others who have posted such). The amount of Bush bashing and Liberal spew that flows around here is disgusting but needs to be challenged(IMO) and shown for what it is.

CkG
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Granted it's a long shot, but maybe they haven't been around lately because they have developed lives. They're outside enjoying the summer instead of inside glaring at a glass tube. Anyone know if Wal-Mart sells lives? 😕

In all seriousness, it would be interesting to see how participation in AT forums does or doesn't change according to the season. I know this is off-topic for the thread, but we can't spend all our time yelling at each other.
 
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Well, you're still around so the tripe can't be that bad. Besides, if a point of view can be defended, there will always be someone there to defend it. Hell, the old school AT Forum rightwingers, a la UltraQuiet, would defend things even if they were blatantly indefensible, so I don't buy your "they all got sick of arguing and decided to become FOX Fans" theory.
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I'm still around because I choose to be, they chose not to be. YOU don't know the REAL reason why they don't post here any more than I, but seeing as they and I are "on the same side" I feel that that my reason is a valid reason because I've had those exact thoughts(as have others who have posted such). The amount of Bush bashing and Liberal spew that flows around here is disgusting but needs to be challenged(IMO) and shown for what it is.

CkG
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Granted it's a long shot, but maybe they haven't been around lately because they have developed lives. They're outside enjoying the summer instead of inside glaring at a glass tube. Anyone know if Wal-Mart sells lives? 😕

In all seriousness, it would be interesting to see how participation in AT forums does or doesn't change according to the season. I know this is off-topic for the thread, but we can't spend all our time yelling at each other.
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WHY CAN'T WE? DON'T WE ALL LOVE YELLING!!!!?

😉

CkG
 
For one thing this forum ought to be murged back into ATOT in my opinion. We used to get more variety of voices including the indifferent, who cares.
 
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
The Bush bashing going on here isn't digusting, but it is ugly truth. Stop side-stepping the issue and go ahead and try to defend them on this like you love to do on everything else. I honestly don't know what it will take for some of you people. I think if Bush came on national TV himself and fessed up to everything you'd still insist it was some liberal conspiracy.
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Nope - it is the issue. I don't deny there are unanswered questions, but the posting and spinning of everything that could be remotely construed as damaging to Bush doesn't do any good either. Oh and there isn't a Liberal conspiracy just like there isn't a Right-wing conspiracy.🙂

IF Bush admitted that he made up evidence and lied to us then I will eat crow - I've said similar before. But here is the problem with your argument - you can't prove it so you grasp on to every little thing to try to destroy him a different way- you know - kinda like you claim that people jumped the media reports of WMDs during the war as evidence. Do you not chuckle about their apparently misdirected conclusions?
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What's the difference between "posting and spinning of everything that could be remotely construed as damaging to Bush," and reporting new developments that suggest Bush and his minions are dishonest? As you said elsewhere, we're not going to get a confession from Bush. This means we (the public) will have to build the case one brick at a time. Every new report, be it a leak, an insider who speaks up, a new discovery that contradicts Bush claims, whatever -- every new report adds to the wall, making it taller and stronger and harder to ignore.

Six months ago, most Americans trusted the President. They wanted to be patriotic. They wanted to believe he was telling the truth. They maybe didn't like the invasion, but they accepted Bush's word that he knew it was necessary. As more and more information comes out, people are changing their minds. They are starting to realize we were deceived. We may not yet be certain whether it was willful deceit or mere incompetence, but we understand that we weren't told the truth. We want answers. We want accountability. We are asking questions and slowly opening our eyes to unpleasant information.

Should we have ignored early Watergate reports because people didn't want to believe a U.S. President would be associated with an inept burglary? Should we have ignored early Iran-Contra reports because people couldn't believe the U.S. government would sell arms to terrorists? Should the Republicans have ignored Monica Lewinsky because we didn't care about the President's sex life? (Oops, never mind, bad example. That one had nothing to do with the U.S. public.)

This is the way the process works. We don't get dramatic, Perry Mason-style revelations where everything suddenly becomes clear. In the real world, the truth comes out a little at a time. We're just reporting it and trying to fit it into the puzzle. That's not spinning and bashing, that's democracy in action.


That's not to say there is no Bush-bashing here. It crops up all over the place, for any reason or no reason at all. Of course, so does Clinton-bashing and Clinton-bashing (the other one) and Gore-bashing and . . . Criticizing our political figures is another important part of the democratic process. It is an inevitable side-effect of discussing politics, and both sides indulge in it with great relish. Your missing comrades from the rabid right were quite adept at dishing it out. It seems hypocritcal, perhaps even cowardly, to run and hide now that they're getting it back.

 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
For one thing this forum ought to be murged back into ATOT in my opinion. We used to get more variety of voices including the indifferent, who cares.
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The thing I don't like about OT is that it churns so fast. When I was trying to follow a couple of threads there, I'd sometimes have to search eight or ten pages back to find them even a few hours later. OT also has a horrible signal to noise ratio (or a tremendous noise to signal ratio, depending on your point of view). Most of the threads here are at least worth opening. I can't say the same about OT.

I do agree that we'd get better participation. I suspect much of it wouldn't help the quality of the discussions, but they might say the same thing about us.

 
Originally posted by: da loser
Originally posted by: Cesar Its for oil, the fear of the rise of islam that the US gov. went to war and to change the arabe worlds thinking( changing their cultures value etc). Thats why they are going to stay in Iraq for a long time we will see. Not about Sadam or WMD. Guys becarful your gov. is trying to lead your country into a religious war agains the muslium world thats suicied!!
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you're a little off, it's not against the muslim world, it's against muslim fundamentalism. and time will tell who wins. anyway i think so far they're winning the pr war. I have no idea who's winning the overall war. I don't see what's wrong with the 9/11 statement, of course it changed everything. that event proved something was wrong in the policy of our government, so something was done in reaction to this->the war on muslim fundamentalist terrorism, whether that's the right reaction, who knows. as far as this forum going down the drain, heh, go look at arstechnica's soap box, this is FOX compared to that forum 😀 although the arguments are a little better over there at least, i think it's because they're older and more articulate or maybe it's because they're not Americans 😉
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Ok your talking about Alqua'da fundamentalism. They call them Wahabies in the arabe world created by Saudi arabie in the 60s to assault the Shia'ts muslim long story. But in the islam world most people use religion to fight their enemies.The US gov. calls any muslim fundamentalist if he uses religion to fight their enemies😉
 
Most of the world would say that America is by far the most fundamentalist Christian nation. Most of them would also say the fundamentalist Christian movement in America has resulted in a great deal of suffering
 
Originally posted by: Cesar
Originally posted by: da loser
Originally posted by: Cesar Its for oil, the fear of the rise of islam that the US gov. went to war and to change the arabe worlds thinking( changing their cultures value etc). Thats why they are going to stay in Iraq for a long time we will see. Not about Sadam or WMD. Guys becarful your gov. is trying to lead your country into a religious war agains the muslium world thats suicied!!
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you're a little off, it's not against the muslim world, it's against muslim fundamentalism. and time will tell who wins. anyway i think so far they're winning the pr war.
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Ok your talking about Alqua'da fundamentalism. They call them Wahabies in the arabe world created by Saudi arabie in the 60s to assault the Shia'ts muslim long story. But in the islam world most people use religion to fight their enemies.The US gov. calls any muslim fundamentalist if he uses religion to fight their enemies😉
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i thought wahhabism originated by some sheik in egypt? but i do realize that much of the problem stem from saudi arabia, but they're not the sole reason for muslim fundamentalism. how do you explain iran and syria. also south/southeast asia and north/east africa? essentially they're moving to all undeveloped parts of the world that feel they've been wronged. so they use a scapegoat (US) for their country's problems. if they're using religion as a reason to fight, that's fine; this world has wars that exist based on values. as soon as they attack the US, it's not. 😀

if you're not talking about Alqua'da then what war are you talking about with which muslims? we don't have a war with turkey, so it's not all muslims.
 
Originally posted by: da loser
Originally posted by: Cesar
Originally posted by: da loser
Originally posted by: Cesar Its for oil, the fear of the rise of islam that the US gov. went to war and to change the arabe worlds thinking( changing their cultures value etc). Thats why they are going to stay in Iraq for a long time we will see. Not about Sadam or WMD. Guys becarful your gov. is trying to lead your country into a religious war agains the muslium world thats suicied!!
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you're a little off, it's not against the muslim world, it's against muslim fundamentalism. and time will tell who wins. anyway i think so far they're winning the pr war.
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Ok your talking about Alqua'da fundamentalism. They call them Wahabies in the arabe world created by Saudi arabie in the 60s to assault the Shia'ts muslim long story. But in the islam world most people use religion to fight their enemies.The US gov. calls any muslim fundamentalist if he uses religion to fight their enemies😉
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i thought wahhabism originated by some sheik in egypt? but i do realize that much of the problem stem from saudi arabia, but they're not the sole reason for muslim fundamentalism. how do you explain iran and syria. also south/southeast asia and north/east africa? essentially they're moving to all undeveloped parts of the world that feel they've been wronged. so they use a scapegoat (US) for their country's problems. if they're using religion as a reason to fight, that's fine; this world has wars that exist based on values. as soon as they attack the US, it's not. 😀

if you're not talking about Alqua'da then what war are you talking about with which muslims? we don't have a war with turkey, so it's not all muslims.
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You're right, it's far from being all Muslims. People don't keep in mind that there are over 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, and out of those, not even a fraction are the so called fundamentalist Islamists calling for Jihad. The point is, the sqeaky wheel gets oiled, so only the radicals get any attention. Religion is a very powerful tool to use on the ignorant to do your bidding. Anyone who has actually read the Koran or has a somewhat elevated understanging of the tenants of the religion will tell you that most of these radicals are just full of crap.

 
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: flavio
Bush needs brought up on criminal charges
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I don't think thier is a criminal charge for manipulating the American people.
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There are criminal charges for making false statements involving national security. High crimes and misdemeanors. Impeachment.

 
gordy -
Why are you jumping from thread to thread posting the same line?
It's not polite to call names, the house rules of this thread prohibit profanity.

If you want to move from thread to thread, at least be original or humorus.
 
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