'We did NOT go to war with Iraq because of . . .

CaptnKirk

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A total change of the story, after the facts

From Washington Post:

President Bush and his defense secretary today defended the administration's rationale for war in Iraq, expressing confidence that evidence of Saddam Hussein's banned weapons program would be found and asserting that their use of intelligence had been appropriate.
On Capitol Hill, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the United States did not go to war with Iraq because of new evidence of banned weapons but because it saw existing information on Iraqi arms programs in a new light after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.
"The coalition did not act in Iraq because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq's pursuit" of weapons of mass destruction, Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "We acted because we saw the evidence in a dramatic new light -- through the prism of our experience on 9-11

There's no doubt in my mind that when it's all said and done the facts will show the world the truth," he said. "There's going to be, you know, a lot of attempts to try to rewrite history, and I can understand that. But I'm absolutely confident in the decision I made."
Bush did not directly address the misstatement. Instead, he defended his decision to go to war based on a larger body of information.
"There is no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the world peace," the president said. "And there's no doubt in my mind that the United States ... did the right thing in removing him from power."
 

tnitsuj

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What happened to the solid evidence? The "we know where the weapons are, and the UN inpsectors will never find them". Iraq poses a clear and present danger...all that crap.
 

gistech1978

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yeah i would hate for anyone to rewrite history or anything...
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this will be his downfall like his father! their greed for oil knows no bounds.
 

sandorski

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Whaaaa?

I actually believe this explanation, at least it makes sense. However, that's not what they said before the war! Oh, wait a minute, what about the attempts shortly after 9/11 to make Iraq part of the 9/11 retaliation? Rumsy needs to go back to the Test Group, next week will be here soon.

Let's assume for a moment that this is 100% true, what does it imply? Is this Leadership? Cowering in fear? Political Expediency? Securing Peace?
 

adlep

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Threfore, Mr. Bush and his people have a shady agenda....
Beware!
 

Czar

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Let's assume for a moment that this is 100% true, what does it imply? Is this Leadership? Cowering in fear? Political Expediency? Securing Peace?
This is implies this "We are going to war, we only only need a selling point"
 

zantac

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Originally posted by: Czar
Let's assume for a moment that this is 100% true, what does it imply? Is this Leadership? Cowering in fear? Political Expediency? Securing Peace?
This is implies this "We are going to war, we only only need a selling point"

Ya there's no way congress would have voted for the iraqi resolution if they would have used that excuse.
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: Czar
Let's assume for a moment that this is 100% true, what does it imply? Is this Leadership? Cowering in fear? Political Expediency? Securing Peace?
This is implies this "We are going to war, we only only need a selling point"
Some of us were already sold back in '91, it's just taken twelve years for delivery. Still, I think the administration should have taken the issue up at face value and let it live or die on its worth, instead of the stupid hard sell tactics they used which are now coming back to bite them in the ass, and deservedly so.

 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: Czar
Let's assume for a moment that this is 100% true, what does it imply? Is this Leadership? Cowering in fear? Political Expediency? Securing Peace?
This is implies this "We are going to war, we only only need a selling point"
Some of us were already sold back in '91, it's just taken twelve years for delivery. Still, I think the administration should have taken the issue up at face value and let it live or die on its worth, instead of the stupid hard sell tactics they used which are now coming back to bite them in the ass, and deservedly so.

Sold back in 91? Do you remember what that was for? It was an international effort because Iraq had invaded Kuwait. What has Iraq done this time that merits an all out war killing Iraqis and destroying their country's infrastructure? Unless you wanna be like Hitler, you can't just declare a war on anyone you know
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: flavio
Bush needs brought up on criminal charges

I don't think thier is a criminal charge for manipulating the American people.
 
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I'm not sure what sickens me more, the fact that this administration has the audacity to spew this BS or the fact that there are still people out there that will defend them.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: flavio
Bush needs brought up on criminal charges

I don't think thier is a criminal charge for manipulating the American people.

I've seen articles suggesting he could be tried for treason. I also saw a persuasive article suggesting he could be tried under some of the clauses of the (so-called) PATRIOT Act, related to altering and/or impeding intelligence information and activities related to terrorism. Wish I had the link.

Wishful thinking as long as the Republicans control Congress, but the irony would be too sweet.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: flavio
Bush needs brought up on criminal charges

I don't think thier is a criminal charge for manipulating the American people.

I've seen articles suggesting he could be tried for treason. I also saw a persuasive article suggesting he could be tried under some of the clauses of the (so-called) PATRIOT Act, related to altering and/or impeding intelligence information and activities related to terrorism. Wish I had the link.

Wishful thinking as long as the Republicans control Congress, but the irony would be too sweet.

Now THAT would bring a fitting conclusion to this fiasco!

:D
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
I'm not sure what sickens me more, the fact that this administration has the audacity to spew this BS or the fact that there are still people out there that will defend them.

How would you like finding out you'd been that big a fool? Everybody would know the truth if it were't so painful.
 

zantac

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: flavio
Bush needs brought up on criminal charges

I don't think thier is a criminal charge for manipulating the American people.

I've seen articles suggesting he could be tried for treason. I also saw a persuasive article suggesting he could be tried under some of the clauses of the (so-called) PATRIOT Act, related to altering and/or impeding intelligence information and activities related to terrorism. Wish I had the link.

Wishful thinking as long as the Republicans control Congress, but the irony would be too sweet.

The Republicans in congress are too busy covering up thier own scandals. The House Judiciary Committee today shot down (Straight Party-line vote i might add) A Resolution of Inquiry looking into why Tom DeLay (R-TX) sent the FBI and law enforcement after democrats who blocked(in a 100% legal manner) DeLay's Texas district takeover from minorities.
 

CaptnKirk

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It took over a year for the Nixon/Watergate thing to gain enough momentum to force an investigation.
When it did, the coverup was well underway, but the people finally became enraged enough to make
the inner circle come forth and be truthful about the extent of the Administrations involvement.

There are still people from the old Nixon machine involved in the Bysh aparatus, and also aot of
Reagans 'Contra-Convicts' who should never have been allowed back into governing politics, as
well as the remaining dregs of Bush 1.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
I'm not sure what sickens me more, the fact that this administration has the audacity to spew this BS or the fact that there are still people out there that will defend them.

I started a separate thread for this, but there's a fascinating article in Salon today that examines why people will sometimes accept and defend a lie:

A nation of scared sheep - Why don't Americans care that Bush may have lied to them about Iraq? The answer lies deep in our reptilian brains.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
I'm not sure what sickens me more, the fact that this administration has the audacity to spew this BS or the fact that there are still people out there that will defend them.

For me, it's definitely the fact that people will still defend them.