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We can thank democrats for our debt

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seriosuly thank the democrats that we have for this debt. THink of obamas health care plan, since the republicans took over house, our spending is at better control!
 
if only if massachuetts could of gotten rid of our corrupted governor cadallic deval patrick. Thanks to him Massachuetts will be in the hole of 1.6Billion with his south coast rail plan.

ROnald reagan also signed a veto to the big dig, but somehow it got through and look at the disaster that project was
 
Both parties are at fault for the debt, I don't see any good coming out of trying to be partisan about it, just gives one party an excuse to continue running up the debt.
 
Agree. Every one of those SOBs are responsible for our massive debt. Every fucking one of them. Some more than others but they all share the load.
 
HFS+ said:
We can thank democrats for our debt

seriosuly thank the democrats that we have for this debt. THink of obamas health care plan, since the republicans took over house, our spending is at better control!
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Seriously

WWYBYWB? Who were you before you were banned?

A bunch of NBC posts in Off Topic, now this?

Who is paying you post this crap?
 
dmcowen674 said:
Seriously

WWYBYWB? Who were you before you were banned?

A bunch of NBC posts in Off Topic, now this?

Who is paying you post this crap?
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If YOU are allowed to still post, he surely can 😉 Yah yah I know. This message is hidden because blackangst1 is on your ignore list.
 
HFS+ said:
seriosuly thank the democrats that we have for this debt. THink of obamas health care plan, since the republicans took over house, our spending is at better control!
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Not sure if serious???

If you want to blame someone, blame the people who elect the same two parties into office year after year.
 
davmat787 said:
Both parties are at fault for the debt, I don't see any good coming out of trying to be partisan about it, just gives one party an excuse to continue running up the debt.
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That's a lie. It's the lie of false equivalency. It's like saying 'OJ and Nicole were both murderers, to only say one was is partisan'. It 'sounds fair' and isn't.

I'm going to break this down for you. Listen for once and stop lying about it.

I'm going to break this into four types of debt policies, chronologically.

Before Reagan, the US generally had either moderate peacetime debt, or high wartime debt.

That is 'both parties'. The issue of high peacetime debt basically began with Reagan.

Now, ironically, Reagan ran by mouthing about 'the high debt', and 'fiscal conservatism', but that was his political secret - lying about it to get votes, while spending, won elections.

That's the second and worst kind of debt - elective, political, peacetime debt. Reagan ran it up like never before, and it remained like never before for twelve years under Repubs.

The third policy is under Clinton - who reduced the defict ever year, planning to make it 'normal levels' again but going to a surplus thanks to the economy and a bubble.

Then we go back to the second type under W - almost immediately the very high political spending in peacetime.

So let's hang on their for US history for all but three years - it's 20 years of the bad high peacetime debt and every one of them was a Republican since Reagan.

If Obama was horrible, that's a clear message of which party to blame.

Now the fourth type is debt during an economic crash that threatens a great depression, with high unemployment and a lack of private spending, including the stalling of the economy with globalization, when economists almost all agree that spending cuts by the only part of the economy who can keep the economy from crashing more, the government, would be a disaster for the economy - Obama has had high debt from the crash that happened under Bush. He's done the right thing in the fourth debt policy - the crash.

Obama's main hand in debt has been the stimiulus, which the CBO and others agree worked well for the smalll size, and only should have been bigger.

So on this issue of debt, you are lying if you take a very one-sided party who says what sounds good to voters, but is the party with the clear bad record, and call that 'equal'.

If you care to argue instead of saying 'thanks for the correction', provide numbers that address these comments.

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Craig, are you calling me a liar for saying both parties are at fault for the debt? That is all I stated, I did not get into "good debt" vs. "bad debt" and whatever else your wall of text alludes too.

Just tell me this: Has the debt not gone up under both Democrat administrations and controlled congresses, and gone up under both Republican administrations and controlled congresses?

Anyone else have an opinion on this and think what I said is a lie?
 
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pcgeek11 said:
Yeah. 'thanks for the correction'. It is all the republicans fault, right. 😛
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Not entirely, but we need to acknowledge that some lead, and others follow. RR & GHWB led the way to quadrupling the debt during their tenure, and GWB led the way to doubling it again.

While Congress has spending authority, the Executive proposes the budget, and has ultimate authority by virtue of veto.

Budgets that go back to the Executive for final approval generally follow the original recommendations from the executive.
 
Craig234 said:
That's a lie. It's the lie of false equivalency. It's like saying 'OJ and Nicole were both murderers, to only say one was is partisan'. It 'sounds fair' and isn't.

That's the second and worst kind of debt - elective, political, peacetime debt. Reagan ran it up like never before, and it remained like never before for twelve years under Repubs.

Then we go back to the second type under W - almost immediately the very high political spending in peacetime.

So let's hang on their for US history for all but three years - it's 20 years of the bad high peacetime debt and every one of them was a Republican since Reagan.

If Obama was horrible, that's a clear message of which party to blame.

Now the fourth type is debt during an economic crash that threatens a great depression, with high unemployment and a lack of private spending, including the stalling of the economy with globalization, when economists almost all agree that spending cuts by the only part of the economy who can keep the economy from crashing more, the government, would be a disaster for the economy - Obama has had high debt from the crash that happened under Bush. He's done the right thing in the fourth debt policy - the crash.

Obama's main hand in debt has been the stimiulus, which the CBO and others agree worked well for the smalll size, and only should have been bigger.
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Tell me this Craig... under what scenario -- Dem or Repub, does the debt actually get PAID THE FUCK DOWN or budgets cut (and by cut I don't mean slow the rate of growth, I mean lower absolute dollars year over year) ??

<cue crickets>

Right, thought so

I hate every last one of these motherfuckers from both parties
 
Craig, the op's contention is that the Democrat's are to blame for the debt. I simply disagreed, I think the Republican's are as well and you have the nerve to call me a liar? Fuck you and the high horse, err donkey, you rode in on. What I said is not a lie, you either read way too much into the simple comment, and/or are totally delusion for thinking only one party can be responsible for the ballooning debt.

I would say you owe me an apology for calling me a liar, but I am sure instead you will put me on one of your ignore lists for having the temerity to want to hold both parties feet to the fire for the mess we are in.
 
davmat787 said:
Craig, are you calling me a liar for saying both parties are at fault for the debt? That is all I stated, I did not get into "good debt" vs. "bad debt" and whatever else your wall of text alludes too.

Just tell me this: Has the debt not gone up under both Democrat administrations and controlled congresses, and gone up under both Republican administrations and controlled congresses?

Anyone else have an opinion on this and think what I said is a lie?
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We had a surplus under Democrat Bill Clinton
 
brencat said:
Tell me this Craig... under what scenario -- Dem or Repub, does the debt actually get PAID THE FUCK DOWN or budgets cut (and by cut I don't mean slow the rate of growth, I mean lower absolute dollars year over year) ??

<cue crickets>

Right, thought so

I hate every last one of these motherfuckers from both parties
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It's pretty simply - the scenario is first recovering the economy so it's strong enough to grow our way out of debt, and then reduce the deficit and then the debt doing so.

Sort of like Bill Clinton, who passed an 'anti-deficit' bill when he took office in 1993 - that Republicans strongly and apparently universally opposed - and the deficits went down.

Which Obama plans to do as well, IF he can get the economy fixed which Republicans are fighting him on - but this time winning, between abusing the filibuster and in the House.

Whose budget plan has the fastest schedule for balancing the budget? Not Paul Ryan's slashing Medicare to transfer wealth to the rich. It's the Progressive Caucus's budget.
 
dmcowen674 said:
We had a surplus under Democrat Bill Clinton
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Do you think the debt has risen under both Democratic and Republican administrations and congresses, or only under the Democrats? I am disagreeing with the OP, I think both parties are to blame for the debt.
 
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