so to the people that actually own them .... all you need is a regular molex power plug right? No need for a special adapter for power on this drive? All you gotta do is plug it into the molex plug from your psu, and the SATA cable and youe set? Any jumpers to configure?
that 5 year warranty is making me lean toward getting a couple of these for a boot drive/raid setup
that 5 year warranty is making me lean toward getting a couple of these for a boot drive/raid setup
"Many readers may be disappointed with the Raptor's relatively lackluster desktop performance. For various reasons, enthusiasts view an increased spindle speed as the largest factor in single-user performance. The reality, however, is that desktop usage predominately consists of highly-localized patterns and is affected more by caching strategies than marginal mechanical improvements. Western Digital's JB series may very well continue to stand as the premiere choice for those seeking the ultimate in single-user speed.
We're more concerned with the Raptor's server performance. While it is definitely a step above standard 7200 RPM ATA drives, the beta Raptor trails today's 10k RPM SCSI drives by substantial margins. If WD and SATA are to have a chance at cracking the enterprise market, the Raptor's multi-user performance must approach the levels delivered by Cheetahs and Atlases."
We're more concerned with the Raptor's server performance. While it is definitely a step above standard 7200 RPM ATA drives, the beta Raptor trails today's 10k RPM SCSI drives by substantial margins. If WD and SATA are to have a chance at cracking the enterprise market, the Raptor's multi-user performance must approach the levels delivered by Cheetahs and Atlases."
Just about any two latest-generation ATA drives in RAID0 will be close to or maybe a little bit faster than a cheetah in sustained transfer rates, if everything works as it should.
According to Storagereview, the cheetah has STR between 76 MB/sec outer zone and 51 inner zone.
Modern ATA drives are running about 50ish MB/sec outer zone and 30 inner zone. RAID0 is usually a bit less than double the speed for transfers.
Overall system performance is another thing altogether. The much faster seeks from a 15K SCSI drive will more than make up any potential gains from faster transfer rates.
According to Storagereview, the cheetah has STR between 76 MB/sec outer zone and 51 inner zone.
Modern ATA drives are running about 50ish MB/sec outer zone and 30 inner zone. RAID0 is usually a bit less than double the speed for transfers.
Overall system performance is another thing altogether. The much faster seeks from a 15K SCSI drive will more than make up any potential gains from faster transfer rates.
Hoho! How about DB? Most WD hard drives are almost twice as loud as Maxtor and four times louder than Seagate.
If you would read the review posted by DeathMaester you would have found a chart that states Heat & Noise
Idle Noise (in dB/A @ 18mm)
IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 40.1 |
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Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 40.4 |
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Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 41.0 |
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Western Digital Raptor WD360GD (36 GB SATA w/ Promise) - 42.5 |
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Western Digital Raptor WD360GD (36 GB SATA w/ SI3112) - 42.5 |
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Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 45.5 |
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Fujitsu MAP3147 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 47.0 |
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Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 47.7 |
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Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 48.5 |
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Net Drive Temperature (in degrees celsius)
Western Digital Caviar WD2000JB (200 GB ATA-100) - 19.7 |
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Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 [8MB, 80GB/plat] (160 GB ATA-133) - 19.7 |
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Western Digital Raptor WD360GD BETA (36 GB SATA) - 20.6 |
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Western Digital Raptor WD360GD (36 GB SATA w/ Promise) - 20.8 |
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Western Digital Raptor WD360GD (36 GB SATA w/ SI3112) - 20.8 |
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IBM Deskstar 180GXP 8 MB (180 GB ATA-100) - 22.1 |
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Seagate Cheetah 10K.6 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 24.4 |
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Fujitsu MAP3147 (146 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 26.8 |
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Maxtor Atlas 10k IV (147 GB Ultra320 SCSI) - 30.0 |
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Yes, but those are Cheetah drives, not Barracuda. Personally, I can never go back to a loud PC. I finally had enough when I put a 2nd WD SE drive in my system and not only was it loud, I got a resonating vibration in my case, table, floor...everywhere. I could literally go downstairs and hear my PC vibrating through the air duct in the room beneath where the PC was located. I immediately sold one of them (kept the other for back-up storage) and got two Barracuda Vs. Dead silent in comparison. Not only silent, but no vibration. I'm sure it was some freak thing that caused them to resonate with one another, but it was extremely annoying. That started my road to trying for a silent PC. Since I then I installed a rheobus (to undervolt all my fans), bought Panaflo L1A fans, and installed a new PSU. Sooooooo much better now.
I'm running my Barracudas in RAID0...sure, they are not the fastest set-up I could of gotten by any means, but in RAID 0 they are quick enough for what I need. I gladly sacrifice a second or two in load times here and there for a PC that isn't gawd aweful noisy at all times. The new WDs and Maxtors don't seem that bad in the noise department, but after my experience with the WD SEs I'd still be worried about vibrations. I'll never use SCSI drives unless they can make them quieter.
Thraxen you know the sound level of your Cudas and if not just get it from their review(s) then compare the dba's buy throwing them in the Mix
...and these Raptors do not vibrate as bad as the SE's
Yeah....the difference in noise bewteen the wd se's and the raptors is that the raptors are runnning with dynamic fluid bearings: much quieter and cooler.
That is for the BETA version of the drive, not the production model. The performance improved dramatically when the write-back cache of the drive was enabled.
I don't hate you. I've got an 18GB 15k Ultrastar running my OS and 300GB extra for storage.
EDIT: WOOHOO!!!! I'm a golden member!!!! Do I get a cookie or something? Or do I just get a big plaque with "N-E-R-D" written on it?
Good. Because running 4 drives in RAID 0 is a sure way to loose something sooner as opposed to later. I personally would prefer 4 drives in RAID 5 on a hardware controller; redundancy plus increased speed over a single drive == good.
Is your 300GB redundant? What kind of RAID are you using for that, or is it a single drive?
You're not a golden member until you make one more post (for a total of 1,001). The only thing you get is a new title, and the only thing you've lost is the many hours of time that you wasted by posting on here instead of doing something useful.
Originally posted by: OdiN
You're not a golden member until you make one more post (for a total of 1,001). The only thing you get is a new title, and the only thing you've lost is the many hours of time that you wasted by posting on here instead of doing something useful.
Said the man with 6800+ posts
Hey now! At least I've got the excuse that I've been here longer than he has.Originally posted by: sebfrost
Said the man with 6800+ postsOriginally posted by: OdiN
You're not a golden member until you make one more post (for a total of 1,001). The only thing you get is a new title, and the only thing you've lost is the many hours of time that you wasted by posting on here instead of doing something useful.
Throw any review with the BETA raptor out the window. Some of the drives caches were disabled and made it run like garbage.
Edit: Also dont forget about the 5 YEAR WARRENTY.
Edit: Also dont forget about the 5 YEAR WARRENTY.
I already have 2 120GB wd se drives so my storage is no problem.
I think it was that 5 year warranty is cool, especially in these times when all of the HD manufacturers are switching to 1 yr
I think it was that 5 year warranty is cool, especially in these times when all of the HD manufacturers are switching to 1 yr
Wonderful sounding setups guys. I wonder how they would compare with what I'm doing (at the moment):
C: Seagate Cheetah 15K.3, 18GB model on LSI Logic LSIU160 SCSI controller for apps, games and small files
R: dual WD400BBs thru ABIT Serillels on my NF7-S' SilIm 3112S in RAID 0, 16KB stripes/blocks (NTFS) for "medium size files" and internet cache
S: quad Maxtor 6Y060L0s thru Rockethead 100's on HighPoint RocketRAID 1540 in RAID 0, 64KB stripes/blocks (NTFS) for "large files," MP3z, DivXz, etc. etc.
X: a single WD800BB inside a Speedzter 3 external Firewire IEEE1394A/USB 2.0 enclosure for backups and transfers.
If interested I can send U my Iometer, WinBench99, PCMark2002, HDTach, ATTO Disk Bench and Sandra results for each drive.
-Edward Ng
C: Seagate Cheetah 15K.3, 18GB model on LSI Logic LSIU160 SCSI controller for apps, games and small files
R: dual WD400BBs thru ABIT Serillels on my NF7-S' SilIm 3112S in RAID 0, 16KB stripes/blocks (NTFS) for "medium size files" and internet cache
S: quad Maxtor 6Y060L0s thru Rockethead 100's on HighPoint RocketRAID 1540 in RAID 0, 64KB stripes/blocks (NTFS) for "large files," MP3z, DivXz, etc. etc.
X: a single WD800BB inside a Speedzter 3 external Firewire IEEE1394A/USB 2.0 enclosure for backups and transfers.
If interested I can send U my Iometer, WinBench99, PCMark2002, HDTach, ATTO Disk Bench and Sandra results for each drive.
-Edward Ng
If you're a gamer, that makes for a decent setup (when paired with the right video card, of course
).However, a setup for doing real work would have to be different; Six 200GB 7200RPM Western Digitals (of course they must be in one of those Lian Li cases that have 6 internal hard drive bays) on an 8 channel 3Ware IDE RAID controller in RAID 5.... mmmm.
On my ABIT NF7-S that setup you just stated has only the advantage of data redundancy (the latest BIOS revision for RocketRAID 1540 puts in RAID 5 support, though I doubt it will perform the parity calculations at a reasonable rate, but you indicated 6-channels, which my card can't do anyway). Performance-wise, it'd be no better. The reason is simple: the PCI bus has already limited the performance of my quad- 6Y060L0s. The six-drive RAID 5 would perform exactly the same, because it would stand only to improve my maximum sustained throughput. As it is with my current setup, I'm looking at 115MB/s straight across the entire surface of the drive. Simply put four Maxtor 6Y060L0s combined at once already maxes out the PCI bus, even at the slow end of th drive. My only choice is to upgrade to a platform with 66Mz PCI. If I did that, I'd be switching to a board with slower memory performance and limited overclockability (I'd not change my CPU as well), which would result in unbalanced system performance. Your choice of RAID controller is good, but I chose a (not native) SATA RAID controller because of space constraints; going by your idea of 6 drives I'd have a total of ten rounded cables piped about in my rig (six for the RAID 5, 1 for my SCSI, 2 for my optical drives, 1 for my floppy), which, as it is, does not have the space for even 6 to run about. With the SATA, the thin wires cleared up huge amounts of space, due to the sheer volume of cables. The increased length also helped dramatically, as does the improved airflow. I have also noticed that on rounded IDE cables, signal integrity is not perfect. The data then has to be resent after integrity checks, which slows down performance. The SATA is not suffering from this, so even with the double conversion (PATA-SATA then SATA-PATA, remember by RAID controller's IC , HPT374, and my hard drives are both technically PATA), performance actually increases over using PATA and the rounded cables. As for why I didn't go for native SATA, the reason is two-fold: firstly, when I made my purchase, no native SATA RAID adapters were out yet, and waiting was not necessary because: secondly, the PCI bus is already limited the controller to 115MB/s/channel at best anyway, below the limited of ATA/133 (the best my controller and drives can do). SATA/150 would not benefit as the PCI bus is already limiting it, plus my drives are only PATA/133, so they too would not benefit anyway from a 150MB/s controller.
All in all, what I am considering upgrading (long term; tight on ca$h@tm) is to swap out the WD400BBs for a pair of WD360GDs. My medium size files/internet cache array can benefit from the quicker access times of the Raptors over the Caviars, plus being that this array is "merely" two drives, the PCI bus is not limiting it yet and I stand to gain massively in terms of sustained throughput at both ends of the array. The loss of about 8GB in making that switch won't hurt me; going from 416GB (Which right now I use maybe 25% of) total capacity down to 408GB won't hurt me one bit, and the gain in performance would be well worth it. As a matter of fact, that idea is what brought me to this thread in the first place.
But yes, I do try to maintain a, balanced machine. On it is 2 pieces of 256MB GeIL PC3500 Platinum memory. Due to the fact that my board is revision 1.0 (I'm going out to get a revision 2.0 NF7-S hopefully this weekend at the Tri-State Fairs), I can only do FSB of 175 at my core speed of approximately 2280MHz (this board's FSB limit drops as the core speed increases and with voltage increases as well). My core is a Barton 2500+; it's cooled using an Aeroflow.
My video card is an ATi/Sapphire Radeon 9500 128MB (nonPro); I flashed it with Warp11's Radeon 9700 nonPro-Pro BIOS to unlock its speeds and convert it to 256-bit memory bus; then I used RivaTuner+SoftMod to unlock the four extra pipelines (it's 8-pipelines just like Radeon 9700/9700 Pro, unlike the 9500's). Clocks right now are 385.7 core and 308.55 memory, with room to spare. I just received all my new VPU cooling components yesterday and it took me quite a while to get it all assembled then installed. I have TweakMaster revision 4.0 RAMsinks on the frontside memory, CompUSA RAMsinks on the backside memory (the TweakMonsters don't have enough clearance underneath...), a ZM80A-HP cooler for the VPU and finally dual TMD fans mounted onto the ZM80A-HP, one on each side. Before doing this setup, I could only get about 360core and 289memory, stable. I stopped at 388/309 last night 'cause it was getting late (notice my last post was past 3:00am :-D) and I'll continue pushing it farther today.
I already broke 3550 in Code Creatures ("official score"; I've looked around the web and noticed that P4/3.06HT setups with 512MB RAM and a stock Radeon 9700 Pro are doing about 3000-3100). I use Code Creatures to test VPU/VRAM stability because I found it to be the first software to go bonkers when the core or memory is too high; also, it appears to be the least CPU-dependant bench I have. For testing the CPU stability while overclocking, I use C&C: Generals. Even at the slightest hint of instability, that game randomly exits back to the desktop, far sooner than anything else I have petering out.
Right now I have all 7 of my internal drives mounted within my Tt Xaser II A6000A. The Cheetah is in a Cooler Master CoolDrive 5.25" aluminum bay cooler, and the six 3.5" drive bays are occupied by the 4 6Y060L0s and the 2 WD400BBs. The bottom drive cage is cooled using an 80mm LED fan mounted in the supplied purple fan cage. The top drive bay is cooled using a 92mm LED fan I rigged in. The Cheetah has a weasely 40mm rifle bearing fan but it's okay; the drive doesn't overheat anyway. I don't have a floppy drive and when I need it to do BIOS updates and what not I open up my case and plug it in (I left my floppy cable in there and a free floppy power plug also).
-Ed
Your choice of RAID controller is good, but I chose a (not native) SATA RAID controller because of space constraints; going by your idea of 6 drives I'd have a total of ten rounded cables piped about in my rig (six for the RAID 5, 1 for my SCSI, 2 for my optical drives, 1 for my floppy), which, as it is, does not have the space for even 6 to run about. With the SATA, the thin wires cleared up huge amounts of space, due to the sheer volume of cables. The increased length also helped dramatically, as does the improved airflow. I have also noticed that on rounded IDE cables, signal integrity is not perfect. The data then has to be resent after integrity checks, which slows down performance. The SATA is not suffering from this, so even with the double conversion (PATA-SATA then SATA-PATA, remember by RAID controller's IC , HPT374, and my hard drives are both technically PATA), performance actually increases over using PATA and the rounded cables. As for why I didn't go for native SATA, the reason is two-fold: firstly, when I made my purchase, no native SATA RAID adapters were out yet, and waiting was not necessary because: secondly, the PCI bus is already limited the controller to 115MB/s/channel at best anyway, below the limited of ATA/133 (the best my controller and drives can do). SATA/150 would not benefit as the PCI bus is already limiting it, plus my drives are only PATA/133, so they too would not benefit anyway from a 150MB/s controller.All in all, what I am considering upgrading (long term; tight on ca$h@tm) is to swap out the WD400BBs for a pair of WD360GDs. My medium size files/internet cache array can benefit from the quicker access times of the Raptors over the Caviars, plus being that this array is "merely" two drives, the PCI bus is not limiting it yet and I stand to gain massively in terms of sustained throughput at both ends of the array. The loss of about 8GB in making that switch won't hurt me; going from 416GB (Which right now I use maybe 25% of) total capacity down to 408GB won't hurt me one bit, and the gain in performance would be well worth it. As a matter of fact, that idea is what brought me to this thread in the first place.
But yes, I do try to maintain a, balanced machine. On it is 2 pieces of 256MB GeIL PC3500 Platinum memory. Due to the fact that my board is revision 1.0 (I'm going out to get a revision 2.0 NF7-S hopefully this weekend at the Tri-State Fairs), I can only do FSB of 175 at my core speed of approximately 2280MHz (this board's FSB limit drops as the core speed increases and with voltage increases as well). My core is a Barton 2500+; it's cooled using an Aeroflow.
My video card is an ATi/Sapphire Radeon 9500 128MB (nonPro); I flashed it with Warp11's Radeon 9700 nonPro-Pro BIOS to unlock its speeds and convert it to 256-bit memory bus; then I used RivaTuner+SoftMod to unlock the four extra pipelines (it's 8-pipelines just like Radeon 9700/9700 Pro, unlike the 9500's). Clocks right now are 385.7 core and 308.55 memory, with room to spare. I just received all my new VPU cooling components yesterday and it took me quite a while to get it all assembled then installed. I have TweakMaster revision 4.0 RAMsinks on the frontside memory, CompUSA RAMsinks on the backside memory (the TweakMonsters don't have enough clearance underneath...), a ZM80A-HP cooler for the VPU and finally dual TMD fans mounted onto the ZM80A-HP, one on each side. Before doing this setup, I could only get about 360core and 289memory, stable. I stopped at 388/309 last night 'cause it was getting late (notice my last post was past 3:00am :-D) and I'll continue pushing it farther today.
I already broke 3550 in Code Creatures ("official score"; I've looked around the web and noticed that P4/3.06HT setups with 512MB RAM and a stock Radeon 9700 Pro are doing about 3000-3100). I use Code Creatures to test VPU/VRAM stability because I found it to be the first software to go bonkers when the core or memory is too high; also, it appears to be the least CPU-dependant bench I have. For testing the CPU stability while overclocking, I use C&C: Generals. Even at the slightest hint of instability, that game randomly exits back to the desktop, far sooner than anything else I have petering out.
Right now I have all 7 of my internal drives mounted within my Tt Xaser II A6000A. The Cheetah is in a Cooler Master CoolDrive 5.25" aluminum bay cooler, and the six 3.5" drive bays are occupied by the 4 6Y060L0s and the 2 WD400BBs. The bottom drive cage is cooled using an 80mm LED fan mounted in the supplied purple fan cage. The top drive bay is cooled using a 92mm LED fan I rigged in. The Cheetah has a weasely 40mm rifle bearing fan but it's okay; the drive doesn't overheat anyway. I don't have a floppy drive and when I need it to do BIOS updates and what not I open up my case and plug it in (I left my floppy cable in there and a free floppy power plug also).
-Ed
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