[wccftech] nVidia Previewed Unreleased Graphics Card

[nitromullet]

They dont need 3 cards above 650USD
980TI,TITANX,Dual GM200

bellow 400 they have slow GTX960,cripled GTX970 and thats all

If AMD comes out with a dual Fury card that beats the Titan X they will need a card that competes with it.

 

[happy medium]

Great another dual gpu, 12gb, 400 watt,$1,200, monster Titan card I cant afford.

How will AMD counter? a dual nano is not enough. Mabe they will require the Niagara falls to cool a dual Fury X 500 watt+,$2,000 card?

 

[PPB]

Nvidia really needs to out sonething in that $130 void. But i fear that whatever they had to do to cut down the gm204 and rhe compronises made instead, it will be harsher on a further cut down part. We know the gm206 behind 960 is already a full die. So....

 

[happy medium]

Nvidia really needs to out sonething in that $130 void.

Latest prices reflect gtx970 for 289$ and the 4gb gtx960 at 190$. the void is about 100$. but I agree.

 

[.vodka]

Great another dual gpu, 12gb, 400 watt,$1,200, monster Titan card I cant afford.

How will AMD counter? a dual nano is not enough. Mabe they will require the Niagara falls to cool a dual Fury X 500 watt+,$2,000 card?

Sarcasm aside, the 295x2 got away successfully with a single 120mm radiator, dual pump setup. It'll probably be the same on a dual Fiji card. Besides, Fiji is more power efficient and as or less power hungry than Hawaii, it'll work out just fine for them. The only problem would be whiny pumps, I suppose they got that one figured out by this time, but as always you can't expect logical results out of AMD. Anything could happen.


The issue here will be if nV tries to cool 2 GM200s with a heatsink + fan. The Titan Z was a throttle fest. Titan X already struggles with that on the reference blower. 2 of them in a single PCB will definitely be a problem on air, if that cooling solution gets repeated. Titan Z GM200 < Titan X SLI < properly cooled TX SLI, as a result.

On the other hand, 295x2 was equal to or better than *aftermarket, low GPU temperature, throttling free* 290x crossfire (reference blower of hell 290x crossfire doesn't even come close here) because of it having proper cooling. nV has to make the jump to a superior cooling solution sooner or later, especially when designing this kind of sli on a stick cards.


Still, I'd prefer something between the 960 and the 970 instead of a niche product like a dual GM200 card. Further cut down GM204 could fill that void, but I don't suppose there are so many significantly failed GM204s to do that without cannibalizing healthy ones.

 

[Techhog]

Sarcasm aside, the 295x2 got away successfully with a single 120mm radiator, dual pump setup. It'll probably be the same on a dual Fiji card. Besides, Fiji is more power efficient and as or less power hungry than Hawaii, it'll work out just fine for them. The only problem would be whiny pumps, I suppose they got that one figured out by this time, but as always you can't expect logical results out of AMD. Anything could happen.


The issue here will be if nV tries to cool 2 GM200s with a heatsink + fan. The Titan Z was a throttle fest. Titan X already struggles with that on the reference blower. 2 of them in a single PCB will definitely be a problem on air, if that cooling solution gets repeated. Titan Z GM200 < Titan X SLI < properly cooled TX SLI, as a result.

On the other hand, 295x2 was equal to or better than *aftermarket, low GPU temperature, throttling free* 290x crossfire (reference blower of hell 290x crossfire doesn't even come close here) because of it having proper cooling. nV has to make the jump to a superior cooling solution sooner or later, especially when designing this kind of sli on a stick cards.


Still, I'd prefer something between the 960 and the 970 instead of a niche product like a dual GM200 card. Further cut down GM204 could fill that void, but I don't suppose there are so many significantly failed GM204s to do that without cannibalizing healthy ones.

I wouldn't worry much about what he's saying here. He just likes to call AMD cards ridiculously hot as often as possible. We all know that a dual Fury X can be tamed.

 

[Zodiark1593]

Seems a little late in the game to slot something between the 970 and the 960, particularly if Pascal hits near the beginning of the year.

 

[alcoholbob]

Sarcasm aside, the 295x2 got away successfully with a single 120mm radiator, dual pump setup. It'll probably be the same on a dual Fiji card. Besides, Fiji is more power efficient and as or less power hungry than Hawaii, it'll work out just fine for them. The only problem would be whiny pumps, I suppose they got that one figured out by this time, but as always you can't expect logical results out of AMD. Anything could happen.


The issue here will be if nV tries to cool 2 GM200s with a heatsink + fan. The Titan Z was a throttle fest. Titan X already struggles with that on the reference blower. 2 of them in a single PCB will definitely be a problem on air, if that cooling solution gets repeated. Titan Z GM200 < Titan X SLI < properly cooled TX SLI, as a result.

On the other hand, 295x2 was equal to or better than *aftermarket, low GPU temperature, throttling free* 290x crossfire (reference blower of hell 290x crossfire doesn't even come close here) because of it having proper cooling. nV has to make the jump to a superior cooling solution sooner or later, especially when designing this kind of sli on a stick cards.


Still, I'd prefer something between the 960 and the 970 instead of a niche product like a dual GM200 card. Further cut down GM204 could fill that void, but I don't suppose there are so many significantly failed GM204s to do that without cannibalizing healthy ones.

Nvidia can easily bin 80+ ASIC dies for a dual GM200 and fit them on the same cooler as the Titan Z to run cool and at the reference speeds. The only issue will be overclocking on the reference board.

Most people will probably still prefer SLI 980TI regardless. The only reason to get a Titan Z/Titan X2 type card for gaming would be a mini ITX setup that's limited to 10.5 inch reference cards and is too thermally and power constrained anyway for overclocking.

 

[3DVagabond]

Titan X destroyed Titan Z... A dual one will be a energy beast... Like Fury X2...
Screw this! I'll use both together with DX12 muahahaha.
Also.. This is the goodbye to:
- 28 nm, unless VIA launchs S3 there
- GDDR5 Nuff said... Unless VIA again...
- HBM1

A dual Nano will be ~375W. nVidia might be able to do something similar with GM200.

 

[3DVagabond]

Titan Z was terrible, but the ultra-premium dual GPU space is so unimportant that it literally doesn't matter.

And people wonder why I always say, If AMD is better it doesn't matter but if nVidia is better then it's the only reason to buy.

 

[LTC8K6]

And people wonder why I always say, If AMD is better it doesn't matter but if nVidia is better then it's the only reason to buy.

Well, you just can't unseat a market leader with "good enough"...

A market leader can survive mistakes and even scandals.
(VW may be testing this premise, though)

You won't win over many customers by getting close to, or tying the market leader.

Unless your prices are a lot lower.

I think this has been the fundamental flaw in AMD thinking.

It's "good enough", let's put it on the market.

It's "close enough", let's release it.

 

[Silverforce11]

The reason why GM200 is good is due to its high OC and after market coolers that allow it to reach higher TDP without throttling.

If NV goes Titan X2, without water cooling, they will not be able to match Fiji X2 which is likely to be water cooled.

Similar to the Titan Z that throttled vs R295X2. Add to that XDMA CF and it wont be a contest. Just look at what happens in Fury X CF vs 980Ti SLI, it takes OC SLI to ~1.4ghz to beat stock Fury X by ~5%. Vs the reference 980Ti/Titan X, Fury X CF kills it.

So if NV go down that route, they need to go water cooling.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Thinking its a dual GM204 (full enabled) card since they did announce the tesla M60 some not so long ago (http://www.anandtech.com/show/9574/nvidia-announces-grid-20-tesla-m60-m6-grid-cards).

The card should be abit faster than the 980Ti while the thermals being more manageable if air cooled I guess.

Then again would be interesting if its actually an SKU based on GP104/204.

 

[3DVagabond]

Well, you just can't unseat a market leader with "good enough"...

A market leader can survive mistakes and even scandals.
(VW may be testing this premise, though)

You won't win over many customers by getting close to, or tying the market leader.

Unless your prices are a lot lower.

I think this has been the fundamental flaw in AMD thinking.

It's "good enough", let's put it on the market.

It's "close enough", let's release it.

They did that with the 295x2. Didn't help.

 

[Pariah]

Nvidia can easily bin 80+ ASIC dies for a dual GM200 and fit them on the same cooler as the Titan Z to run cool and at the reference speeds. The only issue will be overclocking on the reference board.

Titan Z was a triple slot disaster. It's not going fit into any mini itx cases. At $3000, it was so far out of anyone's price range for a gaming card, that is was ignored by everyone.

They did that with the 295x2. Didn't help.

$1500 video cards are not market share generators.

 

[LTC8K6]

They did that with the 295x2. Didn't help.

Tiny niche in the market...

 

[3DVagabond]

$1500 video cards are not market share generators.

Tiny niche in the market...

They couldn't sell them at $600.

 

[Zodiark1593]

You know, a 2x GM206 board would also be quite interesting, particularly if it's placed at the $250 mark and would be easily air cooled. Would be quite the unexpected move and work well to take AMD's DX12 thunder.

 

[3DVagabond]

You know, a 2x GM206 board would also be quite interesting, particularly if it's placed at the $250 mark and would be easily air cooled. Would be quite the unexpected move and work well to take AMD's DX12 thunder.

It's pretty much accepted that the only reason to go dual GPU is to hit performance that is beyond a single GPU.

 

[AtenRa]

Great another dual gpu, 12gb, 400 watt,$1,200, monster Titan card I cant afford.

How will AMD counter? a dual nano is not enough. Mabe they will require the Niagara falls to cool a dual Fury X 500 watt+,$2,000 card?

No need to counter with a faster card,

1. Just install 2x Fury NANO at half the PCB size of the NVIDIA dual Chip card.
2. Only 300W TDP AIR cooled design at lowest possible noise.
3. that will get %90 the performance at half the price of the NVIDIA $3000 dual GM200 400W TDP card.
4. it will make Titan-X look like it is the GTX-750Ti at 4K.

 

[Keysplayr]

They couldn't sell them at $600.

600 is a ton of cash for your average gamer though. Probably why they don't call FuryX or 980Ti "mainstream" GPUs.

 

[Keysplayr]

It's pretty much accepted that the only reason to go dual GPU is to hit performance that is beyond a single GPU.

It's also accepted that a manufacturer can build anything they want as long as they find that there is a market for it.

 

[Spanners]

It's also accepted that a manufacturer can build anything they want as long as they find that there is a market for it.

I've never seen any dual mid-range solutions besides some board partner cards like the Asus ROG MARS760 and EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 2Win. They haven't been repeated for the current generation to my knowledge so I'd assume they didn't find much of a market.

I agree with 3DV a dual GM206 card wouldn't make a lot of sense.

 

[railven]

I've never seen any dual mid-range solutions besides some board partner cards like the Asus ROG MARS760 and EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 2Win. They haven't been repeated for the current generation to my knowledge so I'd assume they didn't find much of a market.

I agree with 3DV a dual GM206 card wouldn't make a lot of sense.

Powercolor made a custom dual 290X and I guess they're repeating it with a dual 390X.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/2014/06/powercolor-devil13-r9-290x2-graphics-card-review/

https://www.techpowerup.com/215755/...r9-390-x2-devil13-dual-gpu-graphics-card.html

And to vendors making odd contraptions, XFX is making a watercooled (which still makes no freaking sense) Fury.

http://wccftech.com/xfx-releasing-liquid-cooled-amd-r9-fury-nonx/


So, it stands, they can basically make things if they think there is a market for it.

 

[Headfoot]

im guessing dual gpu card. Whether 2x full gm204 or full gm200 is the question.