[wccftech] G-Sync for ASUS monitors only...others Q3 2014

[Kenmitch]

Seeing how it looks to be a add in card currently it's no surprise to me. Most likely Asus was forward thinking.

 

[Teizo]

Or even better!
AMD paid asus to keep the tech locked! Poor nvidia() has to fight uphill battle all the time agains evil opponents:twisted:

Actually, watching AMD try to catch Nvidia is like watching Wile E. Coyete try to catch the Road Runner :biggrin:

 

[Black Octagon]

I will cry very far if that WCCFTech article is one of those one in a million occasions where they actually post accurate news. I don't understand why NV would want to lock this thing to just one monitor manufacturer!

 

[Venomous]

Actually, watching AMD try to catch Nvidia is like watching Wile E. Coyete try to catch the Road Runner :biggrin:

I don't see Nvidia in the next wave of consoles... Willing to put legit money on that statement?

Fanbois = blind

 

[Teizo]

I don't see Nvidia in the next wave of consoles... Willing to put legit money on that statement?

Fanbois = blind

Lol...Just having a little fun. But seriously, who gives a crap about consoles anyway. They are dead after this generation.

CPU's are getting way more efficient and all the controllers are going on the cpu now, so small itx systems can be very powerful...and add in G-Sync capable monitors and you can have extremely power efficient gpus running games at high detail. You also have the Steam Box and Amazon is even coming out with a gaming pc/console soon.

It's not about fanboyism...it's just recognizing a trend. Sorry if that makes some folks butt hurt.

 

[Skurge]

Lol...Just having a little fun. But seriously, who gives a crap about consoles anyway. They are dead after this generation.

CPU's are getting way more efficient and all the controllers are going on the cpu now, so small itx systems can be very powerful...and add in G-Sync capable monitors and you can have extremely power efficient gpus running games at high detail. You also have the Steam Box and Amazon is even coming out with a gaming pc/console soon.

It's not about fanboyism...it's just recognizing a trend. Sorry if that makes some folks butt hurt.

I don't see consoled dying. They are still much easier to use than a PC. They always work and they have a massive list of exclusive games.

 

[akahoovy]

I'm tired of monitors always having huge trade offs. IPS or 120hz. TN or no-gsync. I wish we could get someone to make a 120hz IPS Gsync monitor. I'd pay handsomely for it.

This. Plus Lightboost, at 1440p or higher.

The crappy news is how long we have to wait for other manufacturers to make enabled monitors available. Now I also have to go with brand loyalty to get to use some features available to PC gaming, instead of everything.

So with Nvidia I could have PhysX, GSync, >60Hz, and Lightboost, and with Radeon I can have Mantle (who knows what this will be like), >60Hz, and Lightboost, possibly. The fact that I have to pair a monitor and graphics card choice makes things expensive.

 

[Obsoleet]

I'm leery of any nvidia exclusives after the fail that was 3d vision. It was a novelty that wore off and didn't help the fact they didn't support it. I'll believe the gsync hype when I see it's proven success over the course of at least a year.

So we're basically looking at 2016 till Gsync is properly vetted.

AMD has plenty of time to send out an open alternative to NV's proprietary chips.
Too bad for Nvidia.

G-Sync and Mantle is 2 different things. And G-Sync, unlike Mantle, can be made avaliable on all cards.

Also more sources needed before I would say Asus only. wccftech is just another spam site.

You only have to click the links below to see the extreme failure of the site
http://wccftech.com/rumor-amd-pheno...res-6-ghz-core-clock-am4-socket-compatbility/

If Gsync makes it to all cards, and I think it will in one form or another, that means there's no reason to buy Nvidia. You get Gsync (equivalent) + Mantle on AMD. No brainer.

I'm tired of monitors always having huge trade offs. IPS or 120hz. TN or no-gsync. I wish we could get someone to make a 120hz IPS Gsync monitor. I'd pay handsomely for it.

If you want no compromise, wait for OLED. It's already out in large TVs and smartphones/tablets.
It won't be much longer.

That will wipe out the desire for 120hz lightboost, Gsync ect, all bandaid fixes for a broken technology (LCD).
In which case, it's a better bet to pickup a Mantle card, the benefits of Mantle won't be rendered obsolete by OLED monitors. That, and there will undoubtedly be an open alternative to GSync for Intel/AMD.

Intel and AMD could easily destroy Nvidia's GSync with an alternative. The combined weight of AMD and Intel in any venture would squash Nvidia like an ant.
Being as only they have x86 + GPUs, Intel and AMD are becoming on the same team vs the ARM team (which NV is a part of). The x86 wins for next-gen consoles was a victory for both Intel and AMD.

Team x86 (which NV wanted to be a part of but is Not) will pull off the final victory with AMD taking consoles and discrete cards, with Intel pushing low power solutions.
In the end when x86 reigns supreme, it will only matter who is holding an x86 patent license.

 

[Techhog]

G-Sync and Mantle is 2 different things. And G-Sync, unlike Mantle, can be made avaliable on all cards.

Also more sources needed before I would say Asus only. wccftech is just another spam site.

You only have to click the links below to see the extreme failure of the site
http://wccftech.com/rumor-amd-pheno...res-6-ghz-core-clock-am4-socket-compatbility/

You say that as if there's a chance that it will be.

But yeah, this won't really be a "thing" for at least 1.5-2 years if it's handled like this.

Edit: LOL THAT ARTICLE! That site should just be banned. Hit-seeking.

 

[Black Octagon]

Nvm

 

[toyota]

well I used the VG248QE for a couple of weeks and found it to be a pos so I guess no gsync for me anytime soon.

 

[bystander36]

This. Plus Lightboost, at 1440p or higher.

The crappy news is how long we have to wait for other manufacturers to make enabled monitors available. Now I also have to go with brand loyalty to get to use some features available to PC gaming, instead of everything.

So with Nvidia I could have PhysX, GSync, >60Hz, and Lightboost, and with Radeon I can have Mantle (who knows what this will be like), >60Hz, and Lightboost, possibly. The fact that I have to pair a monitor and graphics card choice makes things expensive.

While nice, Lightboost with a 1440p IPS is not realistic atm. Pixel response is too slow on IPS to give a benefit. The color changes have to happen between the low backlight phase, and current tech as the IPS's taking longer to shift than the time between refreshes, much less between the low backlight phase.

That said, Gsync doesn't currently work with Lightboost anyways. They already talked about working towards the IPS 1440 screens. I saw a post from Overlord stating that Nvidia has already reached out to them.

 

[bystander36]

So we're basically looking at 2016 till Gsync is properly vetted.

AMD has plenty of time to send out an open alternative to NV's proprietary chips.
Too bad for Nvidia.



If Gsync makes it to all cards, and I think it will in one form or another, that means there's no reason to buy Nvidia. You get Gsync (equivalent) + Mantle on AMD. No brainer.



If you want no compromise, wait for OLED. It's already out in large TVs and smartphones/tablets.
It won't be much longer.

That will wipe out the desire for 120hz lightboost, Gsync ect, all bandaid fixes for a broken technology (LCD).
In which case, it's a better bet to pickup a Mantle card, the benefits of Mantle won't be rendered obsolete by OLED monitors. That, and there will undoubtedly be an open alternative to GSync for Intel/AMD.

Intel and AMD could easily destroy Nvidia's GSync with an alternative. The combined weight of AMD and Intel in any venture would squash Nvidia like an ant.
Being as only they have x86 + GPUs, Intel and AMD are becoming on the same team vs the ARM team (which NV is a part of). The x86 wins for next-gen consoles was a victory for both Intel and AMD.

Team x86 (which NV wanted to be a part of but is Not) will pull off the final victory with AMD taking consoles and discrete cards, with Intel pushing low power solutions.
In the end when x86 reigns supreme, it will only matter who is holding an x86 patent license.

1st off, there isn't really anything to vet out. When the monitors with it are available, they will work. It is just an extension of the current driver v-sync overrides. Once available, they work. The only thing that has to be worked out is getting it to a wider audience.

How well it spreads through the industry is another thing, and we'll have to just wait and see.

 

[akahoovy]

While nice, Lightboost with a 1440p IPS is not realistic atm. Pixel response is too slow on IPS to give a benefit. The color changes have to happen between the low backlight phase, and current tech as the IPS's taking longer to shift than the time between refreshes, much less between the low backlight phase.

That said, Gsync doesn't currently work with Lightboost anyways. They already talked about working towards the IPS 1440 screens. I saw a post from Overlord stating that Nvidia has already reached out to them.

Ok, I didn't know about Lightboost not working with IPS. The Overlord post was really cool, Scribby got to tour Nvidia

So what's the consensus on 120Hz OLED then? I see there are 32" TVs from Samsung, does anyone have any experience with them?

edit: Looks like there are no TVs above 1080p, which I guess is to be expected.

 

[Subyman]

well I used the VG248QE for a couple of weeks and found it to be a pos so I guess no gsync for me anytime soon.

I owned a few ASUS TN monitors I picked up on new egg open box. I tried them out for a while and then sold them. I used a VH242H and a VE258Q. I also picked up an Acer HN274H (3D, 120hz.) The ASUS screens were pretty terrible. The Acer was neat because it was 120Hz, but the gamma shift of the large TN panel and the back light bleed were not worth the smoothness. I gave up on ever using TN panels again after using those.

PLS or IPS only from now on, or, of course, OLED when the time comes.

 

[BrightCandle]

I don't think NVidia paid Asus I think it's the difference between a prototype and real hardware. The Gsync module they have built is a flip chip, a reprogrammable chip on which they have built the interface in from displayport and out to the LCD. NVidia seems to have focussed on a single Asus monitor to build this module and it only works in that one particular model. The fact they are selling that prototype at all is kind of strange, but that is what they are doing.

They have announced 4 manufacturers will be creating gsync monitors. NVidia has only created the chip for this single Asus model presumably as a prototype to prove that it works. They have likely passed on the code that is used to build this chip to the other manufacturers so they can roll their own design into their monitors, which will take longer than the one that is already built for Asus's monitor by Nvidia. Its not a mass conspiracy, its just we are seeing into the development process a bit earlier than we are used to. This isn't a fully formed product yet, it's an idea with a single monitor implementation. Its got a long way to go before it gets everywhere, but first NVidia has to prove there is a market for it.

 

[JayOdom]

G-Sync and Mantle is 2 different things. And G-Sync, unlike Mantle, can be made avaliable on all cards.

I've actually wondered about this.

Watch this video with Tom Peterson from NVidia. His response when a Chat Room viewer asks about G-Sync working on other GPUs seems to make things a little awkward. He doesn't answer "No". It's really seems to me that he says it won't work "Now", but indirectly. Displayport can control a display's timing rate, if that display is outfitted with a Displayport compatible device that has the functionality to do so. This eludes that this is could be perfectly possible with other cards with appropriate Displayport functionality.

I could be completely wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhLYYYvFp9A#t=195

 

[bystander36]

I've actually wondered about this.

Watch this video with Tom Peterson from NVidia. His response when a Chat Room viewer asks about G-Sync working on other GPUs seems to make things a little awkward. He doesn't answer "No". It's really seems to me that he says it won't work "Now", but indirectly. Displayport can control a display's timing rate, if that display is outfitted with a Displayport compatible device that has the functionality to do so. This eludes that this is could be perfectly possible with other cards with appropriate Displayport functionality.

I could be completely wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhLYYYvFp9A#t=195

Until AMD and Intel support this in some way, I assume by drivers, they won't be able to use it. There may even be some licensing required as well.

That said, it is something that could eventually be supported by other cards with Displayport ports.

 

[BrightCandle]

I've actually wondered about this.

Watch this video with Tom Peterson from NVidia. His response when a Chat Room viewer asks about G-Sync working on other GPUs seems to make things a little awkward. He doesn't answer "No". It's really seems to me that he says it won't work "Now", but indirectly. Displayport can control a display's timing rate, if that display is outfitted with a Displayport compatible device that has the functionality to do so. This eludes that this is could be perfectly possible with other cards with appropriate Displayport functionality.

I could be completely wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhLYYYvFp9A#t=195

I disliked Tom's answer in the same way I disliked the answer given to John Carmack by the presenter at the panel on the Nvidia launch presentation. Both of them are somewhat elusive about how other companies get involved. I investigated it, looked into how it worked and patents and such and came to the conclusion there is nothing stopping Intel and AMD implementing it if they want to. But that doesn't mean they wont need NVidia's help to do it, and the way its implemented in their hardware might very well be covered by a patent.

I think its unlikely this can be enabled with a driver, its most likely hardware driven so we wont see this on current gen cards from Intel/AMD. Whether they choose to put it in future cards largely depends on whether its successful, which might take quite a while as the monitor availability as we can see could be scarce for a while.

 

[3DVagabond]

Unfortunate if true. With zero competition Asus will price them sky high. Then Q3 2014 for more options from the other three mentioned vendors ?

At this rate it will be 2015 by the time we maybe get to see this tech make its way into monitors actually worth buying that use IPS/PLS panels. What is the hold up? Most would already balk at having to buy a new monitor, even less chance of adoption without providing decent options, never mind just one option....

This is where proprietary sucks. I hate the way current IP laws work. Before you know it you'll be able to patent the day of the week you invented something stopping any other inventions on that day... ever again.... for eternity! :muhahaha:

 

[3DVagabond]

G-Sync and Mantle is 2 different things. And G-Sync, unlike Mantle, can be made avaliable on all cards.

Also more sources needed before I would say Asus only. wccftech is just another spam site.

You only have to click the links below to see the extreme failure of the site
http://wccftech.com/rumor-amd-pheno...res-6-ghz-core-clock-am4-socket-compatbility/

Source? As it stands now, not only is it limited to Kepler, but only DP equipped Kepler. So, it's even more niche than Mantle which is only limited to any GCN based GPU, Discrete and integrated.

 

[BrightCandle]

Source? As it stands now, not only is it limited to Kepler, but only DP equipped Kepler. So, it's even more niche than Mantle which is only limited to any GCN based GPU, Discrete and integrated.

Your taking what he said too literally. The intent is clearly that AMD and Intel could implement cards that supported gsync in the future.

Mantle on the other hand is tied to GCN, even AMDs future cards likely won't support it let alone the competitors who don't have the same low level structure. The ease of competitors implementing gsync is much higher than mantle, such that I think mantle is likely impossible for others to implement whereas gsync is relatively easy change to the hardware.

 

[3DVagabond]

Exactly. It's fine for it to be Geforce only - NVIDIA PAID for the R+D. Why would they give it away? That's stupid.

This may lead to a ubiquitous technology that is similar, but as far as g-sync it is geforce only. And that's perfectly fine with me.

Nobody is suggesting they give it away. Charge for the hardware that makes the monitor work. They'd likely make more money doing that. There would be reason for it to be in all monitors, just like VSync is now. Imagine if it replaced VSync and EVERY monitor was equipped with it. They'd make heaps more money. Instead we are going to see one or two monitors from one vendor. It doesn't make any sense. nVidia cutting their nose of to spite their face.

 

[3DVagabond]

Your taking what he said too literally. The intent is clearly that AMD and Intel could implement cards that supported gsync in the future.

Mantle on the other hand is tied to GCN, even AMDs future cards likely won't support it let alone the competitors who don't have the same low level structure. The ease of competitors implementing gsync is much higher than mantle, such that I think mantle is likely impossible for others to implement whereas gsync is relatively easy change to the hardware.

I never said Mantle would, or could work on any other arch than GCN. I also believe that GSync should work on any DP capable card. nVidia likes to keep things to themselves though. Even if it costs them money, like disabling separate PPU's. Hopefully GSync will be as easy to hack.

 

[Will Robinson]

You say that as if there's a chance that it will be.

But yeah, this won't really be a "thing" for at least 1.5-2 years if it's handled like this.

Edit: LOL THAT ARTICLE! That site should just be banned. Hit-seeking.

The article is quoted from a Chiphell article which has provided early news on much of the hardware we see here today...
Probably not an excuse to discredit the site for all eternity.
I seem to recall WCCF-Tech being quoted heavily only a few short months ago as a matter of fact.
Perhaps the info from them was more acceptable to the arguments being presented then...:hmm: