[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[Udgnim]

http://www.chiphell.com/thread-1182382-1-1.html

Its from November last year. 20% faster GPU than GTX980 while using 8% more power.

Nothing about memory count, memory type, anything. However. Later leaks on WCCF, and FUDzilla suggested that R9 390X will not be faster than Titan X, but only up to 20% faster than GTX980.

Is it based on Hawaii? Core count of the card can suggest that, but the technology inside the card can be completely different.

So far, leaks from ChipHell look incredibly legit. Extremely spot on.

If R9 390X is really respin of Hawaii, the photo of XFX 390 can suggest that card need smaller cooling system, more compact in height. And that indicates smaller power consumption as well.

Also, the guys from there were suggesting in November of last year that R9 380X could comparable to full Tonga. Coincidence?

if AMD manages that with a respun Hawaii, then great job by them

until we see actual benchmarked cards, I'll remain doubtful

 

[tential]

The winner is GTX 980 and have been for a long time now. Its a reason why AMD have been going down the drain financially and why Nvidia had huge sucess with GTX 980 and 970 taking new mrketshare every single month away from AMD. Despite 290X being much cheaper. The strategy isnt working. Not only is the profit margin for AMD most likely very low for the 290X cards, but they are not stopping Nvidia at all.

As long as the 390X is a rebrand, people will see through that and will pick the card with other benefits, like thermals and power and newer architectures. 10% better performance is a huge MEH. Even with 8GB VRAM. The card offer nothing new, unless it got GCN 1.3 with new features. Then we will talk. So yeah, lets wait and see.

Im not holding my breath though. For me Fiji XT is the only card that interest me.

Rofl.... why in gods name do I care if it's a rebrand, what architecture it's using, etc. I don't care about ANY OF THAT AT ALL.

The truth is this. From what you just posted the Hawaii 300 series (Yes, it's not even confirmed to be the 390x stop preaching that as gospel and instead quote what you posted), is on par with the GTX 980, with 4GB more ram, and most likely longer driver support than Maxwell will see given Kepler. And ON TOP of that, it'll DEFINITELY be cheaper.

But no, according to you, I'll go out and pay $200 extra for an Nvidia card because "OMG, look at that power consumption!!!!!". Lol, you're hilarious.

 

[xthetenth]

But no, according to you, I'll go out and pay $200 extra for an Nvidia card because "OMG, look at that power consumption!!!!!". Lol, you're hilarious.

At going rates that's enough for 80 LED lightbulbs, each of which literally saves more than the delta between that hypothetical Hawaii and the 980.

 

[96Firebird]

I kinda feel bad for a lot of the people who came here looking for a new card and were told to wait for the 300 series to drop... From the looks of it, they should have grabbed a 290(X) and had fun gaming this whole time, rather than wait. I don't think the 300 series will move prices a whole lot, if it all.

 

[arandomguy]

The problem is more so that Hawaii at this point has defencies that show up for the end user even against AMDs own lineup. Such as it has more limited VSR options than Tonga and lacks the geometry performance improvements. It may also lack certain hardware or software support down the line that has not yet been activated or revealed (see GCN 1.0 parts). If Fiji is another new iterations than this may even open up even more differences.

People want higher performane and new technology at a lower price and not simply just last generations technology at a lower price. This is why "rebranding" is disappointing.

 

[exar333]

Rofl.... why in gods name do I care if it's a rebrand, what architecture it's using, etc. I don't care about ANY OF THAT AT ALL.

The truth is this. From what you just posted the Hawaii 300 series (Yes, it's not even confirmed to be the 390x stop preaching that as gospel and instead quote what you posted), is on par with the GTX 980, with 4GB more ram, and most likely longer driver support than Maxwell will see given Kepler. And ON TOP of that, it'll DEFINITELY be cheaper.

But no, according to you, I'll go out and pay $200 extra for an Nvidia card because "OMG, look at that power consumption!!!!!". Lol, you're hilarious.

The winner here is anyone who bought a 970/290x/290 at ~$300 or less in the last 9 months and enjoyed their card. The only point in waiting any more is if you are interested in $700+ cards.

 

[rtlx]

I kinda feel bad for a lot of the people who came here looking for a new card and were told to wait for the 300 series to drop... From the looks of it, they should have grabbed a 290(X) and had fun gaming this whole time, rather than wait. I don't think the 300 series will move prices a whole lot, if it all.

I've been looking into getting a new graphics card since Witcher release as my 660ti is not cutting it at all in 1440p. I narrowed my choices down to 970 and 290(X or non-X). I've decided to wait on what new AMD series brings but now I'm not so sure whether I should wait or just get 290 and play games instead of reading some forums rumors. If 390X is just more efficient 290 is be okay with a wait but only if price is same or lower than 290 currently.

 

[exar333]

I've been looking into getting a new graphics card since Witcher release as my 660ti is not cutting it at all in 1440p. I narrowed my choices down to 970 and 290(X or non-X). I've decided to wait on what new AMD series brings but now I'm not so sure whether I should wait or just get 290 and play games instead of reading some forums rumors. If 390X is just more efficient 290 is be okay with a wait but only if price is same or lower than 290 currently.

Honestly, 1 or 2 290s right now are about the best deal around. With rebates, you can get a 290 for just over $200. 2 for less than $450. I doubt the 390s will be that cheap right after release.

Then grab a TW3 code from eBay for $25.

 

[rtlx]

Honestly, 1 or 2 290s right now are about the best deal around. With rebates, you can get a 290 for just over $200. 2 for less than $450. I doubt the 390s will be that cheap right after release.

Then grab a TW3 code from eBay for $25.

I don't live in US so prices are way higher here. To put it in perspective 290 is 345USD; 290X is 380USD and GTX970 is 412USD. These are all prices of MSI GAMING 4G cards

 

[exar333]

I don't live in US so prices are way higher here. To put it in perspective 290 is 345USD; 290X is 380USD and GTX970 is 412USD. These are all prices of MSI GAMING 4G cards

OK, then you probably will see the 390x somewhere between the 290x and the 970 possibly?

If that's the case, it might be worth waiting a few weeks and see what happens. You could always pick-up a used 290/x as a backup. Lots of options there.

 

[MrTeal]

There is also a switch.

https://twitter.com/grahamsellers/status/601840090864685056

I expect an article on wccftech today detailing how the new Fiji cards include an HCF command to remotely brick the GPU.

 

[96Firebird]

Well, I hope whatever you decide works out for you. At this point though, you may just want to wait. If your local retailers still have tons of 200-series stock left, they may drop the prices to clear inventory for the 300-series. But you really have no way of knowing how much stock they have, and could sell out quick...

But hindsight is 20/20, and people have been telling some to wait since the beginning of the year. I guess there was no way of knowing how things would shake out, but it still is kinda a drag for them.

 

[rtlx]

I already ordered one 290X, 290 and 970. So they are reserved at current price just in case. If 390 will be disappointing in any regards I can just pick it up.

 

[xthetenth]

The winner here is anyone who bought a 970/290x/290 at ~$300 or less in the last 9 months and enjoyed their card. The only point in waiting any more is if you are interested in $700+ cards.

Yeah, in that price range the prices have been falling slower than the value loss due to performance depreciation. Hanging on for a high end card makes sense though. However for people only a few months off a change that could be big, it's likely well worth seeing if it helps.

 

[maddie]

Performance wise, R9 390X is only 10% faster than R9 290X. 5% is from the core clock increase from 1000MHz to 1050MHz. The other is most likely from higher bandwidth due to higher VRAM clock.


Performance wise its a huge meh. Looks like AMD have decided to try to rebadge and increase VRAM to have a change to sell these cards.

Fiji XT got whopping 2x8pin so I wonder if AMD managed to increase efficiency much over 290X. The card can draw 375W even though it have HBM so I need to see the TDP and everything before deciding to praise this card or not.
The two 8 pin could be to make overclocking headroom for the GPU, but I have some doubts about that.
Even the water cooling could be the only way to cool this card properly.

Lots of if`s and but`s about this card.

Am I missing something?

How is R9 300 'Hawaii XT' = R9 390X?

 

[Stuka87]

As long as the TDP is 290W, they will not move many 390X cards against Nvidia`s 165W/145W GTX 980 and X 970. Don`t even begin the old power draw discussion with graph this and graph that. It is what it is.
I`m not even sure why we are even discussing this. Rebrands is garbage. Slapping on a new name and increasing the core clock by measly 50MHz is ridiculous. Defending a 1.5 year old rebrand is also ridiculous. Nothing else to say.

I`m done talking about them. Move on. Fiji XT or GX 980Ti water cooled are the only cards im interested in. The only cards worth investing in. Nvidia can keep their sucky GTX 980 that offered very little performance over previous cards, AMD their rebrands.

The average GPU buyer DOES NOT CARE what the TDP is. Hell most don't even know what TDP is. Acting like AMD wont see any cards *IF* the TDP is 290W is laughable. A lower TDP is nice, but certainly not required.

 

[Stuka87]

Am I missing something?

How is R9 300 'Hawaii XT' = R9 390X?

Fiji wont be 390X, so it can be assumed the 390X will be a respun Hawaii. But highly unlikely it will be a straight 290X rebrand. More likely it will be a newer iteration of Hawaii.

 

[xthetenth]

Heck the average GPU buyer who cares about heat and power draw rarely cares about an accurate figure for TDP. They just go off a vague impression that a 290 is a miniature chernobyl in your case.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Am I missing something?

How is R9 300 'Hawaii XT' = R9 390X?

Did you miss the rumor a few days ago that Fiji will be branded separately from the rest of the line, like GF Titans?

From that, it would follow that 390X = Hawaii.

 

[maddie]

Fiji wont be 390X, so it can be assumed the 390X will be a respun Hawaii. But highly unlikely it will be a straight 290X rebrand. More likely it will be a newer iteration of Hawaii.

Did you miss the rumor a few days ago that Fiji will be branded separately from the rest of the line, like GF Titans?

From that, it would follow that 390X = Hawaii.

It seems both of you are guessing.

 

[destrekor]

Fiji wont be 390X, so it can be assumed the 390X will be a respun Hawaii. But highly unlikely it will be a straight 290X rebrand. More likely it will be a newer iteration of Hawaii.

A Hawaii respin will not be a 390X. The top two cards will be Fiji.

If you think a Fiji XT is a Titan-like brand, where does the Fiji Pro fit into things? AMD won't have two branded cards above the 390X brand.

Fiji XT may be the only card right now to get HBM, so that could help explain certain 390-8GB DDR5 leaks.

All leaks confirm right now is that a Hawaii re-brand or re-spin will be in the 300 series. Not shocking to say the least. And ultimately, remember that everything is still GCN - a re-spin or a completely new name doesn't make it light years beyond the current architecture. They find ways to increase performance and optimize, but it's still GCN. A highly adaptable architecture, that's for sure.
That's the equivalence of Fermi between the GTX 400 series and GTX 500 series.

The improved Hawaii will fit in somewhere, but nothing has pointed out how it is guaranteed to be the 390X. People are extrapolating and jumping to conclusions based on wildly different leaks. I think people are going to be incredibly surprised.

 

[Head1985]

According to SweClockers, AMD has forbid AIBs from showing any Radeon 300 graphics card on Computex.

http://videocardz.com/55734/amd-radeon-300-series-to-arrive-on-june-16th

 

[Cloudfire777]

Rofl.... why in gods name do I care if it's a rebrand, what architecture it's using, etc. I don't care about ANY OF THAT AT ALL.

The truth is this. From what you just posted the Hawaii 300 series (Yes, it's not even confirmed to be the 390x stop preaching that as gospel and instead quote what you posted), is on par with the GTX 980, with 4GB more ram, and most likely longer driver support than Maxwell will see given Kepler. And ON TOP of that, it'll DEFINITELY be cheaper.

But no, according to you, I'll go out and pay $200 extra for an Nvidia card because "OMG, look at that power consumption!!!!!". Lol, you're hilarious.

You are not getting what I said. What I tried to say was that people in general, not you, care about TDP and new architectures. Not from a saving-money-on-electricity like some of you think, but they like to own efficient and new tech. Thats a big reason why Nvidia is moving a lot of Maxwell graphic cards while AMD is bleeding money. A cheaper R9 390X will sell, but it will go just as 290X. Not very long ago retailers around the world plead to AMD and AIBs to please not sell them more from the 200 series because the sales have come to almost a full stop. A pure rebranded 390X with 8GB seems like an attempt from AMD to try to fool people and be able to sell these 290X carfs under a different name since 290X isnt selling. Gamers will catch on to this quick, and GTX 970/980 will continue to sell like hotcakes.

By all means, if you feel excited about a 1.5 year old card from a 3 year old architecture, go ahead and buy two of them. They do have value but ultimately there is zero money in it from AMD since the margins are slim with priced as 290X. So youre not helping them much. In addition, you could just as well just buy a Hawaii today and do a tiny +50MHz flash with the vbios.

Unless 390X features GCN 1.3 and more dense design with 28nm from GloFo, the only card that could help them make money and regain marketshare is Fiji. Although Im personally very interested in it, I think they might have issues with the usual "best bang for the bucks" buyers thats been loyal to the company, if the price is truly $850. Thats a good deal more expensive than their previous top cards. Fiji could now face a cheaper Nvidia top card, so I think AMD might struggle a bit.
Still I feel a water cooled Fiji sounds much more interesting than years old AMD cards with better value and air cooled 980Ti.

 

[LTC8K6]

To me, Fiji with HBM is a revolutionary card.

It should have a different naming scheme.

I would not call it 390X, because that scheme is connected to the past cards. It makes me think of the same old, same old.

Fiji with HBM is "something new", and deserves different treatment, imo.

It should have a nice new name and number, to let everyone know that things are not the same anymore.

 

[tential]

You are not getting what I said. What I tried to say was that people in general, not you, care about TDP and new architectures. Not from a saving-money-on-electricity like some of you think, but they like to own efficient and new tech. Thats a big reason why Nvidia is moving a lot of Maxwell graphic cards while AMD is bleeding money. A cheaper R9 390X will sell, but it will go just as 290X. Not very long ago retailers around the world plead to AMD and AIBs to please not sell them more from the 200 series because the sales have come to almost a full stop. A pure rebranded 390X with 8GB seems like an attempt from AMD to try to fool people and be able to sell these 290X carfs under a different name since 290X isnt selling. Gamers will catch on to this quick, and GTX 970/980 will continue to sell like hotcakes.

By all means, if you feel excited about a 1.5 year old card from a 3 year old architecture, go ahead and buy two of them. They do have value but ultimately there is zero money in it from AMD since the margins are slim with priced as 290X. So youre not helping them much. In addition, you could just as well just buy a Hawaii today and do a tiny +50MHz flash with the vbios.

Unless 390X features GCN 1.3 and more dense design with 28nm from GloFo, the only card that could help them make money and regain marketshare is Fiji. Although Im personally very interested in it, I think they might have issues with the usual "best bang for the bucks" buyers thats been loyal to the company, if the price is truly $850. Thats a good deal more expensive than their previous top cards. Fiji could now face a cheaper Nvidia top card, so I think AMD might struggle a bit.
Still I feel a water cooled Fiji sounds much more interesting than years old AMD cards with better value and air cooled 980Ti.

You read hardware forums way too much and it shows. The average consumer buys nvidia because that's what EVERYONE has anyway and amd is seen as second rate. If Nvidia released a 400w monster tomorrow it would still sell like hotcakes. Marketing and public perception means far more than anything you've stated in your post.