[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[swilli89]

Lol! I was just thinking the same thing.

You know when we are debating what an emoji implies that news is slow?

 

[soccerballtux]

You know when we are debating what an emoji implies that news is slow?

 

[RussianSensation]

woah, is it really that short? I can understand the need for a clc cause I am having a hard time believe air coolers can do it at that length.

For air cooled cards they are going to have to either extend the PCB or extend the cooling shroud beyond the PCB. They would end up with a rather bare PCB but it's not like it hasn't been done before. EVGA SC 760 is one such example (if you recall, the reference GTX670/760 PCB is too short for many after-market coolers).

At first it looks like a normal card, but the PCB is fully custom:

What's interesting is the entire branding is Radeon on the card. There is no indication that AMD is using some special moniker like the Titan.

Minor point, but AMD's supposedly leaked slides specifically pointed to 2x 8-pin power design on the R9 390 WCE, but only 1x 6-pin + 1x 8-pin for the regular 390X. How the hell did someone guess months in advance that WCE 390X would have 2x 8-pin?

I mean to supply 300W of power, all you need is a 6-pin (75W) + 8-pin (150W) + PCIe (75W+), but no the slide specifically mentioned 2x8-pin.

I dunno but maybe these slides were indeed a tactical leak?

 

[gamervivek]

Are AMD usually this paranoid about keeping secrets about their upcoming card? They seem to be keeping the details close to their chest. I was following the information and flow of chat about this card but got bored of people saying "it is only 4gb of ram" then some saying "it's actually 8gb of ram". Got to the point where I have just turned off from all the rumours and rhetoric as it has got a bit out of hand with relatively little official hard facts. I am not saying that I am not interested, for now I am just waiting for the thing to be released and see what the real benchmarks are like.

Time wise, how long until the official release date? Is it about 4 ish weeks away?

They always have been that way. Though there were some slide 'leaked' near Titan X's release. Two 8-pins was mentioned for the WCE.

 

[DiogoDX]

New GPU-Z with Fiji and 980Ti support.
http://www.techpowerup.com/212928/techpowerup-announces-gpu-z-0-8-3.html

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Surely if these cards are "all that" then AMD would arrange for some "leaked" benchmarks to hype it up even further and damage nvidia sales? At least that is what I would do...

I think they are waiting until after nvidia announces the 980ti. If they release the day of or a day later and beat it can you imagine the great press they will get from that?

 

[Silverforce11]

Minor point, but AMD's supposedly leaked slides specifically pointed to 2x 8-pin power design on the R9 390 WCE, but only 1x 6-pin + 1x 8-pin for the regular 390X. How the hell did someone guess months in advance that WCE 390X would have 2x 8-pin?

I mean to supply 300W of power, all you need is a 6-pin (75W) + 8-pin (150W) + PCIe (75W+), but no the slide specifically mentioned 2x8-pin.

I dunno but maybe these slides were indeed a tactical leak?

It's not a guess, its an AIB presentation which AMD always gives ahead of new product launches. It goes into a lot of specific details that would be near impossible to fake unless its from someone who knew a lot about the design.

In the past, they would make slight changes to the presentation to different AIBs so when it leaks, they know who to talk to.

 

[LTC8K6]

It's not a guess, its an AIB presentation which AMD always gives ahead of new product launches. It goes into a lot of specific details that would be near impossible to fake unless its from someone who knew a lot about the design.

In the past, they would make slight changes to the presentation to different AIBs so when it leaks, they know who to talk to.

Well, the slide gives 390X HBM, which has got to be wrong, I'd think.

 

[Silverforce11]

Well, the slide gives 390X HBM, which has got to be wrong, I'd think.

Was a long time ago, naming isn't set in stone until boxes needs to be printed.

Gibbo at OcUK said they got stock of the R300 series but didn't specify which card, whether HBM or rebadges, answer is generic "nope" can't talk NDA.

 

[RussianSensation]

It's not a guess, its an AIB presentation which AMD always gives ahead of new product launches. It goes into a lot of specific details that would be near impossible to fake unless its from someone who knew a lot about the design.

In the past, they would make slight changes to the presentation to different AIBs so when it leaks, they know who to talk to.

But that slide states Up to 8GB HBM but only mentions R9 390X/ WCE edition, and no mention of a dual-chip Fiji card in those specs. That's the part that has me confused. If someone just "guessed" 2x 8-pin for WCE edition, I guess they could have gotten lucky. But that entire set of slides has specifics of how they actually arrived to 8GB of HBM and the specs on the preceeding slide are for a 4096 shader card. The only connection I can make here is that there could have been originally planning to have 2 versions of Fiji XT - one, likely air cooled with 4GB of HBM1, and the flagship WCE edition with 8GB HBM and it's not a dual-chip card. Now if the 4GB HBM Fiji XT was pushing 275-280W of power or so, then it's more reasonable why AMD decided to give the 8GB HBM1 card both water-cooling and dual 8-pin connectors. Not only does it give the card more headroom for overclocking/enough power to not thermal throttle, but it's much easier to have premium pricing for a WCE with double the 8GB HBM1 over say Fiji PRO and Fiji XT air cooled 4GB HBM1 SKUs.

I am just speculating but trying to connect the dots about the rumours of premium pricing that somehow doesn't align well for me for only a 4GB version of the card. Then we have specific mentions months about about dual 8-pin connectors and dual-link interposers that seems hard to believe that a random "AMD faithful" dreamed up of these specs and made slides months ago. Maybe AMD originally had plans for 8GB HBM but couldn't get dual-link interposing to work?

The slides show voltage of 1.26V and AMD's HBM presentation has it at 1.3V.

Is it possible AMD is actually holding the dual-link interposer as some secret that they don't want anyone to know? Let's say NV launches GTX980TI for $699 but AMD sees that Fiji XT is faster and has 8GB of HBM option, and all of a sudden AMD has all the cards in its hands. I dunno just a thought. It's still strange to me that if these slides are faked that someone had the technical expertise to use terms like "Dual-link interposer" and knew that WCE would have dual 8-pin connectors. If you say these slides are likely to be real and leaked to AIBs in a presentation, then it still leaves the question unanswered if 4GB if truly the final HBM1 limit until 14nm/16nm HBM2 cards?

 

[Silverforce11]

Won't be long now.

I have an upgrade itch and I need a nice GPU to drive a 40' Phillips 4K monitor.

 

[destrekor]

Well, the slide gives 390X HBM, which has got to be wrong, I'd think.

Why? Because recent "leaks" suggest a Hawaii-based 390X?

A Hawaii 390X makes zero sense. None. If it happens, AMD's GPU might as well be signing its own death certificate. It won't happen. Period. Not a chance.

The leaks that have suggested this have made so little sense, I cannot believe how easily people have taken it as the gospel. It's beyond ridiculous to even suggest to any business. A re-spun Hawaii XT will show up as a 380X, at most. I feel it is entirely likely Hawaii won't even be seen until a 370X. AMD is keeping a significant secret and is poised to rock the GPU sector in a way we haven't seen in awhile, due to Nvidia's arrogance and middling approach to this generation.

I'm far from an AMD fanboy... hell, if anything, I'd argue I'm an Intel/Nvidia guy - I haven't touched an AMD product since the 9800 era and the Athlon64 era. I just recently bought 290X Lightnings because I couldn't justify Maxwell price/performance (970 was frankly perfect, until the memory performance issues came to light).

I feel like saying that it is an essentially a guarantee that the 390 series will NOT have Hawaii. The 390 may have GDDR5, but the 390X will not.

The current "DDR5 390X" is based around a product code, and what the leaks suggest is entirely inconsistent. The idea that the entire 300 series is almost a direct re-brand on a per-GPU basis (290x = 390x; m295x = m395x) is such a ridiculous assertion, I don't know how it came to be. It seems like a mix between the current 300-series OEM parts with pro-Nvidia marketing efforts. AMD cannot be so beyond hope, so beyond rationality, that they are resorting to re-branding with the most minor of tweaks to their platform from 2013. Sorry, I feel like I should be guaranteeing this will not happen. Not at all, not in the 390 series, if even in the 380 series. They've ran a surprisingly tight ship and have managed to only allow either utter nonsense through the gates, or pro-Nvidia outlets have capitalized on the opportunity to spread FUD.

I really want to guarantee this, but I'll admit, I have zero proof. I have only the idea of business acumen in my mind, and even an AMD backed into the worst corner possible wouldn't make such a pre-collegiate mistake. It's not happening. No ifs ands or buts. If it does,I won't post again in the VC&G forum.

This is elementary business, y'all.

 

[digitaldurandal]

If it does,I won't post again in the VC&G forum.

This is elementary business, y'all.

So, what will your new account name be if it happens?

I think you are mostly right, but I could see Hawaii being 380 series. It would not be a bad fit there as it already competes with the 370. If Fiji XT is something about 390X this would mean they would have two SKUs specifically to lineup against the 980 and 980ti. If Hawaii stays priced where is but with a small bump and better cooling/leakage it will make sure the 960 stays a poor value.

 

[Cloudfire777]

New GPU-Z with Fiji and 980Ti support.
http://www.techpowerup.com/212928/techpowerup-announces-gpu-z-0-8-3.html

Yeah Im calling it, June 3rd reveal at their press conference at computex.

Teaser videos, tweets from their partners, GPU-z support, almost a month before launch? The launch got to happen soon.

 

[Head1985]

Do you guys remember that XFX 390 leak few months ago?
Now it make sense!!!
290/290x are just rebranded to 390/390x
Fiji is AMD TITAN with own name and price.

Edit:
380 id most likely rebrended r9 285 with 4GB and better clocks and 380x is full tonga with 4GB.
370/370x is tahity rebrand?

 

[LTC8K6]

Why? Because recent "leaks" suggest a Hawaii-based 390X?

A Hawaii 390X makes zero sense. None. If it happens, AMD's GPU might as well be signing its own death certificate. It won't happen. Period. Not a chance.

The leaks that have suggested this have made so little sense, I cannot believe how easily people have taken it as the gospel. It's beyond ridiculous to even suggest to any business. A re-spun Hawaii XT will show up as a 380X, at most. I feel it is entirely likely Hawaii won't even be seen until a 370X. AMD is keeping a significant secret and is poised to rock the GPU sector in a way we haven't seen in awhile, due to Nvidia's arrogance and middling approach to this generation.

I'm far from an AMD fanboy... hell, if anything, I'd argue I'm an Intel/Nvidia guy - I haven't touched an AMD product since the 9800 era and the Athlon64 era. I just recently bought 290X Lightnings because I couldn't justify Maxwell price/performance (970 was frankly perfect, until the memory performance issues came to light).

I feel like saying that it is an essentially a guarantee that the 390 series will NOT have Hawaii. The 390 may have GDDR5, but the 390X will not.

The current "DDR5 390X" is based around a product code, and what the leaks suggest is entirely inconsistent. The idea that the entire 300 series is almost a direct re-brand on a per-GPU basis (290x = 390x; m295x = m395x) is such a ridiculous assertion, I don't know how it came to be. It seems like a mix between the current 300-series OEM parts with pro-Nvidia marketing efforts. AMD cannot be so beyond hope, so beyond rationality, that they are resorting to re-branding with the most minor of tweaks to their platform from 2013. Sorry, I feel like I should be guaranteeing this will not happen. Not at all, not in the 390 series, if even in the 380 series. They've ran a surprisingly tight ship and have managed to only allow either utter nonsense through the gates, or pro-Nvidia outlets have capitalized on the opportunity to spread FUD.

I really want to guarantee this, but I'll admit, I have zero proof. I have only the idea of business acumen in my mind, and even an AMD backed into the worst corner possible wouldn't make such a pre-collegiate mistake. It's not happening. No ifs ands or buts. If it does,I won't post again in the VC&G forum.

This is elementary business, y'all.

Lighten up, Francis...

 

[DiogoDX]

Why? Because recent "leaks" suggest a Hawaii-based 390X?

A Hawaii 390X makes zero sense. None. If it happens, AMD's GPU might as well be signing its own death certificate. It won't happen. Period. Not a chance.

The leaks that have suggested this have made so little sense, I cannot believe how easily people have taken it as the gospel. It's beyond ridiculous to even suggest to any business. A re-spun Hawaii XT will show up as a 380X, at most. I feel it is entirely likely Hawaii won't even be seen until a 370X. AMD is keeping a significant secret and is poised to rock the GPU sector in a way we haven't seen in awhile, due to Nvidia's arrogance and middling approach to this generation.

I'm far from an AMD fanboy... hell, if anything, I'd argue I'm an Intel/Nvidia guy - I haven't touched an AMD product since the 9800 era and the Athlon64 era. I just recently bought 290X Lightnings because I couldn't justify Maxwell price/performance (970 was frankly perfect, until the memory performance issues came to light).

I feel like saying that it is an essentially a guarantee that the 390 series will NOT have Hawaii. The 390 may have GDDR5, but the 390X will not.

The current "DDR5 390X" is based around a product code, and what the leaks suggest is entirely inconsistent. The idea that the entire 300 series is almost a direct re-brand on a per-GPU basis (290x = 390x; m295x = m395x) is such a ridiculous assertion, I don't know how it came to be. It seems like a mix between the current 300-series OEM parts with pro-Nvidia marketing efforts. AMD cannot be so beyond hope, so beyond rationality, that they are resorting to re-branding with the most minor of tweaks to their platform from 2013. Sorry, I feel like I should be guaranteeing this will not happen. Not at all, not in the 390 series, if even in the 380 series. They've ran a surprisingly tight ship and have managed to only allow either utter nonsense through the gates, or pro-Nvidia outlets have capitalized on the opportunity to spread FUD.

I really want to guarantee this, but I'll admit, I have zero proof. I have only the idea of business acumen in my mind, and even an AMD backed into the worst corner possible wouldn't make such a pre-collegiate mistake. It's not happening. No ifs ands or buts. If it does,I won't post again in the VC&G forum.

This is elementary business, y'all.

Do not underestimate AMD's ability to screw up.:biggrin:

 

[LTC8K6]

What difference does it make if it's called 390X or 400X or whatever?

It either performs well, or it doesn't.

It's name is of little concern.

 

[digitaldurandal]

Do you guys remember that XFX 390 leak few months ago?
Now it make sense!!!
290/290x are just rebranded to 390/390x
Fiji is AMD TITAN with own name and price.

Edit:
380 id most likely rebrended r9 285 with 4GB and better clocks and 380x is full tonga with 4GB.
370/370x is tahity rebrand?

So you think their 2nd fastest card is going to be a slightly improved version of a card that has been on sale under $300 multiple times this year? What price do you think they will put on that? What do you think they will do with Fiji cores that did not quite make the cut? That is a large die to just trash..

 

[digitaldurandal]

Maybe AMD originally had plans for 8GB HBM but couldn't get dual-link interposing to work?

You know, this would explain a lot.

It would explain why we went from hearing about dual interposer to consistent mentioned of 4 GB and it might explain the wait for the card when rumor was that the card was supposed to be ready for launch months ago.

Would suck for AMD though because it will mean they cannot charge the premium for the card they hoped for, and the issues likely would also mean that there was a lot of money that went into dual interposer that did not bear fruit.

 

[Cloudfire777]

So you think their 2nd fastest card is going to be a slightly improved version of a card that has been on sale under $300 multiple times this year? What price do you think they will put on that? What do you think they will do with Fiji cores that did not quite make the cut? That is a large die to just trash..

If they are gonna have a premium card to take up the fight against Titan X as premium performance/build, they might not have any other choice than using exisiting cards on the normal 300 series name and doing Fiji XT as a standalone card.

Thats what happens when you dont have a new architecture to use on many cards. Pretty sure Fiji XT will only be water cooled.
The rumored Fiji Pro havent been mentioned anywhere on any leaks except vague posts where they think it will come out based on cards like Hawaii XT and Hawaii Pro, but if Fiji is premium, it might not happen this time.
Hawaii is a normal consumer card, Fiji is Premium.

 

[Silverforce11]

Is Hawaii still Hawaii if its redesigned, with a new UVD block, tweaked and produced on a superior node (higher clocks, lower power leakage)?

Think about that before you guys keep using the term rebrand/rebadge.

 

[AtenRa]

Is Hawaii still Hawaii if its redesigned, with a new UVD block, tweaked and produced on a superior node (higher clocks, lower power leakage)?

Think about that before you guys keep using the term rebrand/rebadge.

HD4870 vs HD4890 ???

 

[beginner99]

Is Hawaii still Hawaii if its redesigned, with a new UVD block, tweaked and produced on a superior node (higher clocks, lower power leakage)?

Think about that before you guys keep using the term rebrand/rebadge.

No then it's not a rebadge. The question is if it actually has a new UVD block and is actually made at GF or is the same old, same old from TSMC.

 

[Silverforce11]

HD4870 vs HD4890 ???

480 -> 580

Huge reduction in power use with a slight performance gain. Chip respin & tweaked.

Not a simple rebadge or rebrand.

Anything going from TSMC 28nm to GF 28nm is already going to get major power leakage reduction alone, without any uarch changes. Add some minor tweaks & redesigns.. viola, a very competitive Grenada SKU against 970/980.