"the other person may have shot him" does not mean he should have the right to shoot him first. Based on what he MAY do.
a threat is something that may or may not happen. hence the reason it's a threat.
again, please die.
Yes, he absolutely should be able to defend himself.
When talking about ethics I am a utilitarian, the world would be better off if gun ownership is illegal. Some innocents would die, but the death toll would drop. I would rather kill 1 innocent person who couldn't defend themselves in exchange for saving 5 people who get accidentally shot.
People should not be able to assume something, then kill someone.
I'm not, I'm here to debate. I have been proven wrong on certain topics. this isn't one of them.
I know what a definite threat is, and it doesn't involve the word may
A definite threat is something that will happen.
again, no.
What you are saying is that people should not be able to defend themselves because they may make a mistake, but, rather, criminals should be the only ones armed so we are at their mercy.
You seem to have more faith in criminals than you do in the law abiding, since you seem to be advocating a situation that will only empower them.
So, a handgun pointed at you by a stranger in a car that has been tailgating you is not a definite threat?
I think most people would recognize a handgun pointed at them to be a definite threat under any/every circumstance.
I think you may not understand the definition of "threat" .... which can include "may"
a threat is the intent to cause harm. which means it may or may not happen. a definite threat means you are dead. you didn't even get a chance to react because the definite threat already happened.
it's ok you're to fucking stupid to understand any of this so just kill yourself. you'll feel better honestly.
What you are saying is that people should not be able to defend themselves because they may make a mistake, but, rather, criminals should be the only ones armed so we are at their mercy.
You seem to have more faith in criminals than you do in the law abiding, since you seem to be advocating a situation that will only empower them.
I'm saying neither I'm saying removing legal gun ownership decreases gun deaths, and thus the overall death rate, Criminals need to be dealt with by the police, those who are qualified to carry a gun, not joe blogs. I'm saying that by removing supply less and less criminals own guns (although I'll grant you that this is more of a UK argument than American)
A definite threat is something that will happen.
again, no.
Read my sig. This is what the argument boils down to. He's ran his scripted lines plenty of times. I wish we could have callout threads so I could start a campaign to put Hal on everyone's ignore list.
He's already managed to pervert a thread about a responsible gun owner defending the lives of his group into a debate about basic self defense that an 8 year old would understand.
A definite threat means a certain threat.
Uncertain threat: "I think the guy has a gun", but it's possible that it could be a sausage or umbrella.
You aren't sure if it's a real threat. If it's a sausage or umbrella, then it's not a threat, if it's a gun, then it is a threat.
Definite threat: Guy has gun pointed at you, while you are not certain that he/she will shoot, they are posing a threat, and it's definitely a threat because it's a gun.
I completely disagree.
People would absolutely think that, which is why people shouldn't have guns.
This guy was holding a gun to show it to the other car (based on my understanding of the OP)
And you are being completely irrational.
If someone threatens you with serious bodily injury or death, then they are the ones who forfeit their right to live, and I have no problem with others killing them in self defense. That's exactly what this situation was. A person defended themselves and the others around them from a deadly threat. It doesn't matter that the guy MAY NOT have shot them. By threatening to do so, they are in the wrong. That's why brandishing is a crime.
I agree, all guns should be banned and purged from this earth.
However, I live in reality, and recognize that as an impossibility.
Therefore, since you can not remove ALL guns, it's best to maintain some semblance of a balance of power, therefore, people should have the freedom to own guns provided they learn how to use them responsibly, and follow through by ACTING responsible as well.
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So... is this guy just going.. "Hey Hal... look at my pretty gun"
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The two SUVs, friends of each other, decide to get off of the Intersate and get gas. Police say the driver of the minivan, 53-year-old Su Hong Springer, also from Tennessee, followed them and showed a gun at the gas station.
This guy was not responsible, he saw a gun and tried to kill someone.
This guy was not responsible, he saw a gun and tried to kill someone.
Uncertain threat: Man is holding a gun.
Certain threat: Man aims gun at my face.
This guy was holding a gun to show it to the other car (based on my understanding of the OP) In either event people shouldn't have the right to make snap decisions that end lives.
Neither of them should have had guns in the first place, but aside from that given that they did. He was not certain that the guy in the car was about to open fire on the car next to him, therefore he shouldn't have intervened, until it is completely clear that the guy intends to kill you, you should have no right to kill them.
Yes, he saw a gun pointed as his group by an angry unstable individual and eliminated the immediate lethal threat. Details are a bitch aren't they troll?
Grow up, and learn some basic safety rules. Maybe you should start here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjq-KxO-7lQ#t=02m45s
Get back to us in a few years.
He was very responsible. He saw a threat and dealt with it in an appropriate manner.
The guy who threatened him and was waving a gun around at him was the irresponsible one.
The two SUVs, friends of each other, decide to get off of the Intersate and get gas. Police say the driver of the minivan, 53-year-old Su Hong Springer, also from Tennessee, followed them and showed a gun at the gas station.
