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WildHorse

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Liquid water electrolyzed to HHO, "burned", with waste = liquid water again.


What do you think? Is this real or a scam? Any chemists here with an informed opinion???

Could the guy just be scamming venture capital moneybags peolple with this? Sounds too good to be true.

Why don't we hear about this in the news??? (big oil would not smile)

If that guy could build the engine in the shop of a small-business, it must not be prohibitively expensive.

I want that engine!!

Also here. but harder to get to the video embedded within this site.
 
Hold on, I don't feel like watching the video, so this is H2O giving off heat, and reverting back to H2O?
 
Wouldn't it be hard to get an H-H-O as H only has one bond site? I would imagine that it would take more energy to get that weird bond than you would get out of the "burning" back into H-O-H.
 
I don't need to click the link. Simple laws of thermodynamics. Energy is always lost in transfers of energy. It takes energy to break up water into hydrogen and oxygen. Some of the energy is lost. When hydrogen is "burned" and creates water + energy, you get back less energy than you originally used to separate the hydrogen. Furthermore, it's impossible to get 100% efficiency (2nd law of thermodynmics again), therefore you lose more energy again on the second step.

 
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Wouldn't it be hard to get an H-H-O as H only has one bond site? I would imagine that it would take more energy to get that weird bond than you would get out of the "burning" back into H-O-H.
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no kidding. the power requirements have to be insane.

the reason the car was both gas and water is he probably had to use the gas engine to convert chemical to electrical (~75% energy loss right there) then his silly contraption back into mechanical (even more loss).
 
oh, wait. This is something different. Isn't this guy the crackpot who comes out with major advancements or improvements to his invention every time he needs some more start-up money? At the very least, he's just one more scam artist trying to con people out of money. I see he conned Fox News. They're morons to begin with, so I'll bet it wasn't too hard.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
oh, wait. This is something different. Isn't this guy the crackpot who comes out with major advancements or improvements to his invention every time he needs some more start-up money? At the very least, he's just one more scam artist trying to con people out of money. I see he conned Fox News. They're morons to begin with, so I'll bet it wasn't too hard.
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it would be an awesome energy source to power the force fields
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I don't need to click the link. Simple laws of thermodynamics. Energy is always lost in transfers of energy. It takes energy to break up water into hydrogen and oxygen. Some of the energy is lost. When hydrogen is "burned" and creates water + energy, you get back less energy than you originally used to separate the hydrogen. Furthermore, it's impossible to get 100% efficiency (2nd law of thermodynmics again), therefore you lose more energy again on the second step.
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Well duh.

It must use a lot of electricity to generate the HHO gas, but that doesen't make the technology bunk.
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I don't need to click the link. Simple laws of thermodynamics. Energy is always lost in transfers of energy. It takes energy to break up water into hydrogen and oxygen. Some of the energy is lost. When hydrogen is "burned" and creates water + energy, you get back less energy than you originally used to separate the hydrogen. Furthermore, it's impossible to get 100% efficiency (2nd law of thermodynmics again), therefore you lose more energy again on the second step.
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Well duh.

It must use a lot of electricity to generate the HHO gas, but that doesen't make the technology bunk.
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Yeah, you guys do realise that he's not just pulling all this energy entirely from water.
 
where is rgwalt, unless a chemist i trust says this HHO actually exists, i believe this is BUNK/SCAM, just like free ipods
 
So it appears what's illustrated in the video isn't a viable breakthrough. Glad to clear that up! Thanks ATOT!

Once upon a time, universities and businesses only had terminals connected via timeshare to big mainframe computers located elsewhere.
Hardly anybody had their own local computers.
Times changed, and now, everybody has their own computers.

Apply that as an analogy to the fuel issue:

Now we have big centralized electricity generators, distributing to users over wires.
In future, could each home have its own solar powered electrolysis units, passively making fuel to run cars, home electricity generator, & whatever else?
We need some engineers to put low cost do-it-yourself plans out there for everybody to follow.
 
Since he has a patent pending on this, the patent office should have the public information available to thoes who ask within reason.

 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
where is rgwalt, unless a chemist i trust says this HHO actually exists, i believe this is BUNK/SCAM, just like free ipods
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There's no HHO.. it's not a compound. It would be a gas where the H and O are separate... or else you can't burn it.
 
The "HHO gas" is simply a combination of hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2) in a stoichiometric relation to the water (H2O) put in:

2H2O --> 2H2 +O2

This conversion (electrolysis) requires an energy source -- its creation is *absolutey not* self sustaining. I don't think it's a scam, I think it's a technology spun by a news program in an inappropriate way. I can't comment on whether or not this is a good idea for cars. Frankly, I'd much rather have pure hydrogen: remember that the Hindenburg *burned slowly*. If it were filled with a mix of hydrogen AND oxygen, it would have exploded.
 
Originally posted by: Howard
I have never heard of HHO.
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if you shake up water (H2O) enough, it re-arranges itself into HHO, that one H moves over next to the other H instead of one H being on each side of the O
 
Originally posted by: scott
Liquid water electrolyzed to HHO, "burned", with waste = liquid water again.


What do you think? Is this real or a scam? Any chemists here with an informed opinion???

Could the guy just be scamming venture capital moneybags peolple with this? Sounds too good to be true.

Why don't we hear about this in the news??? (big oil would not smile)

If that guy could build the engine in the shop of a small-business, it must not be prohibitively expensive.

I want that engine!!

Also here. but harder to get to the video embedded within this site.
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You will always consume more energy getting water to burn than the combusting process will ever make.

 
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