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Watching Dog the Bounty hunter
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Heisenberg
Lifer
Well duh, that's what bounty hunting is.
Heisenberg
Lifer
Well he is getting criminals off the streets (how "dangerous" they are is probably debatable), but there's no reason not to make a living at the same time. Do you show up for work everyday for free?
PrinceofWands
Lifer
Wow, education time.
First off, understand that laws regarding bail, bondsmen, and fugitive retrieval vary from state to state, and sometimes even county to county I believe.
This is a VERY old tradition, back to medieval England. The Kings justice would be handed down by magistrates who might get to a remote area only once a year (or less). Rather than keep every person locked up in his keep (which was expensive), local lords were given the power of surety (or more often some wealthy noble was given the power). This means that someone rich and powerful vouches for the criminals return to stand trial before the magistrate. Should the criminal not return, the surety was responsible for paying any debts the magistrate levied against the criminal. In order to secure the return of the criminal, the surety was given absolute power over the criminal. He could check up on him, hold him in a private stockade, or revoke his release at any time and in any manner he chose. Since most lords weren't that physical, they hired men, bondsmen, to do it all for them. In our American system it has become the bondsmen themselves who are financially responsible to the courts should the accused not make it to trial. Bondsmen in turn hired bounty hunter to do their dirty work.
The American justice system works much the same way. The accused have the right to a speedy trial, but that is seldom possible. Therefore most states allow the criminal to post bail in order to be free from jail until he/she is actually put on trial. The amount of the bail is loosely related to how serious the crime is, and how likely it is that they might flee. Sometimes bail is not offered. Since the amounts are so high (sometimes into the millions of dollars), bondsmen exist. There are different types, but for the purposes of bounty hunting we're talking about surety bonds. Basically you provide a percentage (generally 10-25%) of the bail amount in cash, property, etc, and the bondsman agrees to pay the full amount if you don't show at trial. This gets you out of jail. To get that bond, however, you effectively sign your life away, or at least all your rights. You agree that the bondsman (or his agents) have absolute right over your freedoms until the trial. They can call you, write you, make demands on you (like checking in or not leaving the city), go see you, ask you to come in, or even just pick you up and return you to jail (revoke your bond) for no reason.
IF you don't show at trial, the bondsman gets pissed. If he doesn't produce you to the courts within a reasonable amount of time (generally 6 months to 5 years depending on the crime and the laws), then he forfeits the total amount of the bail (and anything he didn't collect from you comes out of his own pocket). That's where bounty hunters come in.
The bounty hunter is contracted to find you and bring you to the bondsman (or the jail), and in return the bondsman will give the bounty hunter a percentage of the bond on you (generally 3-15%) which the bondsman will revoke from you for fleeing as a penalty.
In America the bounty hunters right to come get you was laid out in Tailor v Taintor (and ammended in Reese v. United States and other cases as well). The rights and requirements of bondsman and bounty hunters are also different depending on where you are. Some states don't accept surety bonds, some restrict how a bounty hunter operates, most requiring some licensing, etc. It's all very confusing and very specific.
Generally the rules of bounting hunting are:
1. You are only a private citizen and are under the same laws and responsibilities of all citizens, except where noted below. (This means you have no special right to carry weapons, endanger others, exceed the speed limit, etc)
2. You may impersonate ANYONE except a law enforcement officer in order to capture your suspect, and providing that during the impersonation you do not exercise any of the rights specifically granted only to licensed individuals (ie you can pretend to be a doctor, but you can't write out perscriptions or give an examination)
3. You may break & enter any property where you believe the fugitive may be located. (I believe all 50 states now exempt church property and federal buildings from this power)
4. You may search any fugitive you apprehend as well as his personal property (such as bags, etc).
5. You are not required to serve under miranda restrictions. (neither is a normal citizen, but since we're talking about arrest and reincarceration it merits mentioning here)
6. You may cross state lines with a fugitive in custody and restrained (there are some requirements on this now about notifying law enforcement in certain situations I think)
That's pretty much it. Anything goes, because the bondsman OWNS you. Most of bounty hunting is connections, paperwork, and tracking (in person, on the phone, the internet, or by mail). Any other questions feel free to ask, and yes, I've been a fugitive retrieval officer for two different bondsman for a short time (sideline while working a patrol security job because we were always coming across wanteds).
First off, understand that laws regarding bail, bondsmen, and fugitive retrieval vary from state to state, and sometimes even county to county I believe.
This is a VERY old tradition, back to medieval England. The Kings justice would be handed down by magistrates who might get to a remote area only once a year (or less). Rather than keep every person locked up in his keep (which was expensive), local lords were given the power of surety (or more often some wealthy noble was given the power). This means that someone rich and powerful vouches for the criminals return to stand trial before the magistrate. Should the criminal not return, the surety was responsible for paying any debts the magistrate levied against the criminal. In order to secure the return of the criminal, the surety was given absolute power over the criminal. He could check up on him, hold him in a private stockade, or revoke his release at any time and in any manner he chose. Since most lords weren't that physical, they hired men, bondsmen, to do it all for them. In our American system it has become the bondsmen themselves who are financially responsible to the courts should the accused not make it to trial. Bondsmen in turn hired bounty hunter to do their dirty work.
The American justice system works much the same way. The accused have the right to a speedy trial, but that is seldom possible. Therefore most states allow the criminal to post bail in order to be free from jail until he/she is actually put on trial. The amount of the bail is loosely related to how serious the crime is, and how likely it is that they might flee. Sometimes bail is not offered. Since the amounts are so high (sometimes into the millions of dollars), bondsmen exist. There are different types, but for the purposes of bounty hunting we're talking about surety bonds. Basically you provide a percentage (generally 10-25%) of the bail amount in cash, property, etc, and the bondsman agrees to pay the full amount if you don't show at trial. This gets you out of jail. To get that bond, however, you effectively sign your life away, or at least all your rights. You agree that the bondsman (or his agents) have absolute right over your freedoms until the trial. They can call you, write you, make demands on you (like checking in or not leaving the city), go see you, ask you to come in, or even just pick you up and return you to jail (revoke your bond) for no reason.
IF you don't show at trial, the bondsman gets pissed. If he doesn't produce you to the courts within a reasonable amount of time (generally 6 months to 5 years depending on the crime and the laws), then he forfeits the total amount of the bail (and anything he didn't collect from you comes out of his own pocket). That's where bounty hunters come in.
The bounty hunter is contracted to find you and bring you to the bondsman (or the jail), and in return the bondsman will give the bounty hunter a percentage of the bond on you (generally 3-15%) which the bondsman will revoke from you for fleeing as a penalty.
In America the bounty hunters right to come get you was laid out in Tailor v Taintor (and ammended in Reese v. United States and other cases as well). The rights and requirements of bondsman and bounty hunters are also different depending on where you are. Some states don't accept surety bonds, some restrict how a bounty hunter operates, most requiring some licensing, etc. It's all very confusing and very specific.
Generally the rules of bounting hunting are:
1. You are only a private citizen and are under the same laws and responsibilities of all citizens, except where noted below. (This means you have no special right to carry weapons, endanger others, exceed the speed limit, etc)
2. You may impersonate ANYONE except a law enforcement officer in order to capture your suspect, and providing that during the impersonation you do not exercise any of the rights specifically granted only to licensed individuals (ie you can pretend to be a doctor, but you can't write out perscriptions or give an examination)
3. You may break & enter any property where you believe the fugitive may be located. (I believe all 50 states now exempt church property and federal buildings from this power)
4. You may search any fugitive you apprehend as well as his personal property (such as bags, etc).
5. You are not required to serve under miranda restrictions. (neither is a normal citizen, but since we're talking about arrest and reincarceration it merits mentioning here)
6. You may cross state lines with a fugitive in custody and restrained (there are some requirements on this now about notifying law enforcement in certain situations I think)
That's pretty much it. Anything goes, because the bondsman OWNS you. Most of bounty hunting is connections, paperwork, and tracking (in person, on the phone, the internet, or by mail). Any other questions feel free to ask, and yes, I've been a fugitive retrieval officer for two different bondsman for a short time (sideline while working a patrol security job because we were always coming across wanteds).
PrinceofWands
Lifer
Getting a masters in education to teach secondary history and physics actually.
waggy
No Lifer
well no sh!t sherlock.
maybe we should change your nick to Capitan obvious =) of course he is doing it to get paid. Same reason you are a cop (or going to school for it cant remember off hand). you want to help but also get paid.
Personally i would like to see government control over them. I have read to many stories of them breaking into the wrong house and not being held liable for it. One of the TV news shows (think 60 minutes) had a show on a bunch of crap they have done.
Dog is famous because he gets the job done. NOT to mention is a character. heh love him or hate him he does a good job. Granted i have to agree one of these days he is going to get shot or killed. I enjoy watching the show. same as i enjoy watching cops/repo men etc. heh
PrinceofWands
Lifer
Hehehe, I've done just about everything you can think of man. Carpentry, Masonry, grocery, auto parts, landscaping, general labor, pressure washing, office clerk, data entry, customer service, tech support, network support, database administration, fugitive retrieval, military, theatre manager, actor, fitness trainer, security consultant, patrol officer, industrial security, hospital security, escort (security, not sex...mores the pity), janitorial, contracting, various volunteer gigs...I'm all over the place. 😎 Learning/teaching has always been a common thread though, always.
PrinceofWands
Lifer
Well that depends how you look at it. Most bounty hunters are very clean cut and positive people. They're doing a job, that's all. As for the criminals, well, they signed away their rights when they took the bond...and they were forced into it because they chose to break the law. I have no pity for them whatsoever. As long as the officers are careful, and act appropriately, they're a vital resource. Overall nationally they catch far more jumpers than regular law enforcement, saving untold millions in tax dollars and allowing leo's to stay busy with current stuff.
PrinceofWands
Lifer
Yeah, me too...though I wouldn't mind moving into college level instead of staying high school for 30 years. If not, no worries...I'm pretty sure with my skill sets I can find work. 😎
Will be nice to make more than 30k a year just once in my life though, and have benefits to boot.
I caught some of it for the first time tonight. All I know is I would mace that wife of his after about 5 minutes of having to listen to her bitch about someone taking her money, and having to look at those giant boobs with the consistency of runny jello. I also love how she is always weraing some version of the US flag...she must be the ultimate american. :roll:
Gah...I don;t know what's worse...this show or "Growing up Gotti". :|
Gah...I don;t know what's worse...this show or "Growing up Gotti". :|
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